Hope this will generate some factual discussion of Testosterone use-Prostate Cancer

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I was diagnosed with Prostate Cancer Summer of 2017. I had been on TRT since 2012 . 1st thing the Urologist told me was to stop the TRT . I stopped and felt like the slug from 5 years previous . So I informed him The quality of life on TRT was better than the life without TRT .

Gleason score was a 3-4 trace of cancer after biopsy . Dr agreed to watch and wait with a 12 year mortality expectancy of 1.4% = Probability that I would die from prostate cancer on the next 12 years . I figured the way I had abused my body something else would get me before prostate cancer so it was a very good gamble to do nothing ; damn good odds and the quality of life after surgery was as morbid as death ! So watch and wait was the plan .

2018 had another physical violation exam , Ultrasound & MRI and Dr said no concerns.

2019 Dr went into standard spill about had I considered stopping TRT . I point blank asked him why was he giving out medical advice that was outdated and contrary to more modern studies that were 180 out from what he had just told me ........... He looked down and cleared his throat and said well it is presumed men using Testosterone abused it and his advice was directed towards them . I quizzed him more and asked do the more modern studies from 2013 and 2014 show that testosterone actually benefited in the combatant of cancer cells in the prostate ? He point black , flat footed stated that yes moderate use of Testosterone did combate cancer cells in the prostate ! t So same deal for watch and wait ; physical violation , ultrasound , MRI . But the report from the Dr was actually a surprise to him also as he admitted !

I TAKE MORE THAN A SCRIPTED DOSE !

MY PROSTATE CANCER SEEMED TO BE SHRINKING AND NOT EVEN AS MUCH OF A PRESENCE AS PREVIOUS YEAR !

He congratulated me and said see you in one year and we will do same and additionally another biopsy . He added that if the growth continues to be shrinking = even better than remission . That he wanted to go to a 2 year check up .

If you google Prostate Cancer and the effects of Testosterone and look at modern studies as opposed to studies from the 1950's . You may want to weigh in . I know when we have an illness or condition we seek the answers we want to . But this looks like new info on old news . I am not an expert as many of you are probably laughing now ..... But do not take my word for it research for yourselves ....... I am sure you will

PLEASE ANY AND ALL WEIGH IN WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR OWN HEALTH AND WELLBEING .......... DR DO NOT MAKE AS MUCH $$$$ UNLESS THEY TREAT OR CUT . THEY ARE NOT IN BUSINESS TO CURE . SO I AM AN OLD FART AND PISSING IN MY PANTS OR POOPING AND NO WOOD EVEN AT THE RIPE AGE OF 60 IS NOT A FATE I WISH ON FEW PPL . i DO ON A FEW

[JaneDoe]

I believe supraphysiological doses of testo don't hurt anyone ..
Testosterone is a hormone that our body naturally manufactures .... patients suffering from low testosterone levels - need supraphysiological doses of testosterone.
I don't see why this would interfere or hinder your prostate cancer treatment, since you are already 60 years old and need TRT

[JaneDoe]

And you take performance testosterone doses, don't you?
And yet, your exams are up to standard, thank God ..


I think the harmful thing is when testosterone becomes DHT dihydrotestosterone, because yes, it will damage the prostate by increasing cancer. I am following this topic, looking forward to hearing the opinions of experienced guys in this forum

Very good this post !!!

[< <Samson> >]

After being diagnosed, have you started taking any meds for this?! Or? - why/how did it shrink?

Good to hear that it did tho


Also - what age are you? - if u mind me asking

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

After being diagnosed, have you started taking any meds for this?! Or? - why/how did it shrink?

Good to hear that it did tho

Also - what age are you? - if u mind me asking

Only Calais at 25mg a day . Suggested to assist in shrinkage of prostrate not noted to shrink size of “cancer cells” in prostrate .

PSA has dropped from 18 to 7.6 over 3 years PSA was very high when I started TRT in 2012 @ 28 . PSA score is not an indicator of Prostrate Cancer a person with a PSA of 2 can still have prostrate cancer . When I have researched no or really states the undisputed reason for relating high PSA reading to prostrate cancer

Note that fungus in the prostrate can be a false positive to prostrate cancer also .

60 yrs old .

There are several modern day studies on google to support this new opinion of Testosterone use and prostrate cancer ...

[Fluidic Kimbo]

I'm curious about two things:
(1) What made you go to the doctor and have him check for prostate cancer?
(2) For peace of mind, is total removal of the prostate not the easiest option?

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

I'm curious about two things:
(1) What made you go to the doctor and have him check for prostate cancer?
(2) For peace of mind, is total removal of the prostate not the easiest option?

I went to the Dr as part of my routine blood work and he just happened to notice high PSA after 5yrs of TRT was how I found out and went to a urologist .

There are several ways to treat prostate cancer .

The two most popular to my knowledge are removal and radiation therapy . In some cases they will also implant radiation seeds in the prostate ; then you balls glow in the dark (not really I would like that)

Radiation - is where they target and bomb your prostate and destroy your prostate . It shrivels up then you have a dead and decaying glob where the remains of your prostate used to be .

Removal - is where they go in and do just as stated remove it .

Dr's tell you from the get go that with either treatment the same side effects are possible . They tell you that you will lose the ability for erections additionally you could lose control of bowel movements also lose the ability to control your bladder . You will also piss blood for at least 2 mths . Also if you get your facilities back when you do reach orgasm you will shoot banks = you cum but nothing comes out ..................

They say only 20% of men will have these issues for anywhere from 3 mths to 1.5 years . They tell you that control may return & erections may return . This a lie it is more realistic way to state this info is the opposite !

So if no erection and need to wear diapers for the rest of your life is OK with you yes removal of the prostate is the common way to treat prostate cancer !

Everyone is different a few men do regain all the control of all or some of these discomforts . Whether you young bucks believe it or not men over 40 enjoy sex as much as a 20 something does . At 60 men are far from tired of sex and can be very active lifting and outdoor activities . As for me sex is a part of my life and I would not cherish the thought of wearing a diaper to the gym or backpacking . As a 60 year old man ; I do not look at my life as being alive ; I seek living a quality lifestyle .

If I could get no erections and had to wear diapers . This what I have learned about prostate cancer since 2017 and seen many men have the operation of removal and radiation therapy ; results are the end of erections almost 90% of the operations in my area (these would be men I have 1st hand knowledge of) . I have a mortality rate of less than 2% due to prostate cancer . I have lived a very irresponsible life style and have several server tramas events in my life that have left me dealing with and just as likely to die from as prostate cancer .

1) Blood clots and open wounds and life long swelling issues (require elevation up to 3 hours a day and more if swelling does not go down) on the left lower extremity where the blood clots seen to have stabilized .
2) Type II diabetes that I control through diet and exercise .
3) Severe arthritis through my whole body .
4) Blown out 2 rotator cuffs .
5) L5 Vertebrae bulging and herniated . (I had more back injection today) A band aid for if I am lucky up to 4mths .
6) Awaiting left knee replacement .
7) Awaiting blood vessel striping of left knee by vascular sergeon . (They run on top of my knee cap . This must be done before I can have knee operation .
8) Awaiting options on right ankle to see what can be done to alleviate severe joint pain (This issue has not even been addressed by a specialist yet) .

So removal is an option for some men . As for me I am a chronic pain sufferer and have learned to deal with pain always seeking ways of non-opiate ways reduce my pain level .

Removal and negative side effects are at best 50/50 so each person has to decide what they choose to do . Personally I do not want to have to change my own diapers and I like women a lot . My final thoughts are from the movie "The Outlaw Jose Whales" Dieing for some men is easy but for some men , living is the challenge . I do not fear death at all ! To me it would be a fate worse than death to loose the dignity that I do have left and in all reality diapers and myself changing them would be the worst of all . I have peace of mind from my research !

But if you are willing to go the rest of your life with no sex and wear diapers or even worst yet have to use a catheter , yes removal would be the way to get the cancer out of your body . Still after removal the Dr's monitor you to see ? If they got all the cancer because it may be in other parts of your body also undetected .

For me I will trust God and think positive and if I die from cancer 15 years from the discovery of prostate cancer at 72 I will be a happy camper ! I will keep my walnut organ and live life as though nothing is wrong . I know pain and I know to discomfort of just the biopsy (pissed and pooped blood for 3 mths) Dr said that would be only a couple of weeks ( Dr's lie) {remember they have not mastered their trade they are only practicing medicine} . Dr's make $$$ off prostate removal and if you do not educate you will believe your Dr and what he says or what you think you know that a friend of a friend tells you . Then you pay the piper with 1/2 a life and 1/2 a man's dignity .........

Now if you are considering gender reassignment you may be more willing to consider removal of your prostate

[< <Samson> >]

OP - thank you for the post in the 1st place

I have been reading random things here & there and that’s pretty much the conclusion I already made - if this is the situation one had to deal with

There’s no fix with just about anything - it’s more like a bandaid, and we should be educated in which one work best for ourselves

Don’t buy into this modern MD Bull Shit - shit, we’re so smart, why can’t we cure a cold


GL man - we all need it

Sounds like you have some on your side already

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

OP - thank you for the post in the 1st place

I have been reading random things here & there and that’s pretty much the conclusion I already made - if this is the situation one had to deal with

There’s no fix with just about anything - it’s more like a bandaid, and we should be educated in which one work best for ourselves

Don’t buy into this modern MD Bull Shit - shit, we’re so smart, why can’t we cure a cold


GL man - we all need it

Sounds like you have some on your side already

Yes you are so correct , shoot man I was southern born and southern breed started getting religion by the time I was on solid food . I did not even go into detail as to what caused all of my medical issues . But I have been told I would die 3 times and I am still here ! I have had 8 blood clots PE hit my lungs . That kills many the 1st time .

TRT has improved my life style better than anything I have ever done . This forum is so applicable to anyone on TRT . So many ppl just act like sheep and follow what any Dr. may say . The average Dr. has less than 2 days of particular class room time on Male hormone replacement. Most even get their Pacients treatment info right off WebMD for all their meds and scripts to Pacients .

I even told my ortho Dr I was taking Halotestin that I purchased off line and he is in his 60 . He gave me a script for Halo due to the huge amount of pain relief it has given me ! 4 days into taking my bone on bone knee joint was 90% improved over 5 days earlier . Even this forum description of Halo makes it sound like the worst and most toxic compound that can be used and really should only be used by serious BB’s . It is still carried by pharmacies and is designed for osteoporosis in women , burn victims , prevents muscle depletion many good medicinal uses . Not just a bootlegged UGL compound .

[< <Samson> >]

Halo as a script, go figure


Well - I guess since we pretty much don't leave anything off the table - Now


What sides do you get, and/or have gotten? How are you feelin'?



A "friend" of mine(it's my eX wife's new guy's dad) is 55(56 or 57) and has had his prostate removed - this shit to me is darn near scarrier than death to me. . .The guy appears to someone resembling post labatomy

[Fluidic Kimbo]

Halo as a script, go figure

I scrolled down to the bottom and thought this was Haloperidol. . . .

Thankfully it wasn't.

[Fluidic Kimbo]

They tell you that you will lose the ability for erections additionally you could lose control of bowel movements also lose the ability to control your bladder . You will also piss blood for at least 2 mths . Also if you get your facilities back when you do reach orgasm you will shoot banks = you cum but nothing comes out ..................

Okay I see. . . . I thought it would be much simpler than that.

If the doc told me that one of my lungs had cancer, I'd be like, "I have two lungs, right?". Then I'd be like "Cut it out". I'd keep doing the parkrun every Saturday morning even if my times were shit.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Halo as a script, go figure


Well - I guess since we pretty much don't leave anything off the table - Now


What sides do you get, and/or have gotten? How are you feelin'?



A "friend" of mine(it's my eX wife's new guy's dad) is 55(56 or 57) and has had his prostate removed - this shit to me is darn near scarrier than death to me. . .The guy appears to someone resembling post labatomy

Zero bad sides and I have been 10mg every 12 hours since the 11th of Nov.

I noticed that I had less joint pain and even my rotator cuffs are less painful . 1st steroid that I have ever taken and a noticeable anger issue but not to the point I cannot control . One side for me is wood upon demand ! But the dose of Test I take seems to be a factor also !

Out of all my pain issues this one med REDUCED all the way from a knee replacement , to rotator cuff severe pain , L5 Vertebrae bulging and herniated . To little knee pain tolerable rotator cuff issues , and Back tolerable = miracle drug or silver bullet !

I went for my Back Injections this past Wed and went for post procedure consult and discussed with Spine rehab and pain management Dr on Mon. Discussed with the Dr about to do the injection this past Wed and she assured me that all the warnings that are available are similar with any drug. She even admitted that it was less harmful/dangerous than the procedure I was about to get (Cortisone Injections) and that this drug Halo was actually used to assist people that had many Cortisone treatments and she prefered that I seek a script from my Ortho that I see this coming Tues. She added if he did not want to prescribe let her know and she would . She even went so far as to say that it is less harmful than the large doses of Ibuprofen I had been taking and now no longer need .

If you research this drug it is an old medication that has been around since the 1950's (this I cannot swear to because I am not looking at the read i got my info from , but it has been around for quite a while) I am not as good as some of these young guys to be able to post a link . But like with everything Google it and you will be amazed at the many uses it is used for and BB is not even listed ...lol .... Go figure So my thoughts are research and see if you have chronic pain and if so talk to your Dr and see if you can get a script . I am as I stated it is a miracle drug for pain and I stumbled across it because my supplier was out of Anavar and it was the only oral he had on hand ! He even told me only take a couple of mths. But he is not a Dr but a stand up guy !

I hope this answers your question !

[< <Samson> >]

Dang, u had some work

I def do appreciate my var, no sides - great strength


Shit, you make my upcoming gyno removal surgery seem like a breeze - fuck fucking up my back. . . Man, I watch that shit like a hawk now - doing stretches like 2-3x per day

[BOPJohnDoe]

Lots of good info on prostate cancer. I’ve been on TRT for about a decade. I’ve done a few blasts here and there as well. My PSA has always been within normal range. I hope to god I never have to get my prostrate removed...sounds like I’d be shitting all over my floppy cock. No thanks.

Thanks for the post.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Dang, u had some work

I def do appreciate my var, no sides - great strength


Shit, you make my upcoming gyno removal surgery seem like a breeze - fuck fucking up my back. . . Man, I watch that shit like a hawk now - doing stretches like 2-3x per day

I had both mammary glands removed by the age of 27 (do take it seriously ! It was no cake walk for me) {When I would get up to pee , it felt like my chest was going to fall off into the toilet} [just ask a female if her breast augmentation was painful] way back in the 80's when excess was best and Arnold was king and Joe Weider was the Muscle & Fitness mag owner .

[Gallowmere]

Zero bad sides and I have been 10mg every 12 hours since the 11th of Nov.

I noticed that I had less joint pain and even my rotator cuffs are less painful . 1st steroid that I have ever taken and a noticeable anger issue but not to the point I cannot control . One side for me is wood upon demand ! But the dose of Test I take seems to be a factor also !

Out of all my pain issues this one med REDUCED all the way from a knee replacement , to rotator cuff severe pain , L5 Vertebrae bulging and herniated . To little knee pain tolerable rotator cuff issues , and Back tolerable = miracle drug or silver bullet !

I went for my Back Injections this past Wed and went for post procedure consult and discussed with Spine rehab and pain management Dr on Mon. Discussed with the Dr about to do the injection this past Wed and she assured me that all the warnings that are available are similar with any drug. She even admitted that it was less harmful/dangerous than the procedure I was about to get (Cortisone Injections) and that this drug Halo was actually used to assist people that had many Cortisone treatments and she prefered that I seek a script from my Ortho that I see this coming Tues. She added if he did not want to prescribe let her know and she would . She even went so far as to say that it is less harmful than the large doses of Ibuprofen I had been taking and now no longer need .

If you research this drug it is an old medication that has been around since the 1950's (this I cannot swear to because I am not looking at the read i got my info from , but it has been around for quite a while) I am not as good as some of these young guys to be able to post a link . But like with everything Google it and you will be amazed at the many uses it is used for and BB is not even listed ...lol .... Go figure So my thoughts are research and see if you have chronic pain and if so talk to your Dr and see if you can get a script . I am as I stated it is a miracle drug for pain and I stumbled across it because my supplier was out of Anavar and it was the only oral he had on hand ! He even told me only take a couple of mths. But he is not a Dr but a stand up guy !

I hope this answers your question !

Halo actually had a prescribed use specifically for countering the catabolism caused by long term cortisone use, and yeah, you had the decade right too.

[BuzzardMarinePumper]

Okay I see. . . . I thought it would be much simpler than that.

If the doc told me that one of my lungs had cancer, I'd be like, "I have two lungs, right?". Then I'd be like "Cut it out". I'd keep doing the parkrun every Saturday morning even if my times were shit.

Actually you have 4 2 primary and 2 smaller sacks above them