Defund the police

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I will make this quick.

Defund the police is the stupidest fucking thing I have heard of in a long long time.

I will be the first to admit that there are bad policemen.
There are also bad soldiers.
There are also bad teachers.
and..
There might even be a bad politician or two out there...
But the vast majority of policeman and soldiers and teachers are good. (Not so sure of the politicians...)

Downsizing or worse yet, disbanding the police is not the answer.

Abolishing hate of a fellow human being because of skin color, or sex, or gender, or religion is the answer.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Well, I’m pretty neutral on this one. Wether or not someone shows up 45 minutes after something happens with a notebook and no intention of following up on shit doesn’t matter to me much one way or another, but I can tell you this much.

Anyone who thinks they’re going to get better from defunding them... that ain’t how shit works. You’re just going to have shittier cops who will work for less money with shittier training. Because of that you’ll have more mistakes on their part.

[GearHeaded]

its not about defunding them or not.. a lot of police forces have been infiltrated by Free Masons (Satanists) and KKK members.. they have been trying to infiltrate a lot of government agencies.
its not about de funding as much as it should be about weeding out these free masons and getting them off the police force and have a better vetting policy .

on a side note -- also, have more slack gun laws and let the citizens arm themselves more easily, carry wherever they want open or concealed .. and crime will naturally go down. don't need a very big police force when the citizens are all armed and strapped protecting themselves.

[Capebuffalo]

Anyone remember The Guardian Angles In New York in the late 70’s and 80’s? That’s what you are going to get. Small bands of people coming together to protect their city. It will work for a bit but not for long. It will turn into vigilantes. There will be more deaths on each side than with a police force patrolling. It will be the Wild West without law and order. Welcome to the Purge.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

I am pro-gun and I think the laws are plenty slack.
You can even buy a gun with out a background check.

"Federal law requires background checks for commercial gun sales, but not for private-party sales whereby any person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of the same state as long as they do not know or do not have reasonable cause to believe the purchaser is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law.[3][4][5]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_sh...ing%20firearms

You think gun laws need to be more slack?
Do tell, how many guns do you own?

(I am not saying we should limit the amount of guns GH owns.)

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Anyone remember The Guardian Angles In New York in the late 70’s and 80’s? That’s what you are going to get. Small bands of people coming together to protect their city. It will work for a bit but not for long. It will turn into vigilantes. There will be more deaths on each side than with a police force patrolling. It will be the Wild West without law and order. Welcome to the Purge.

Exactly why I think we shouldn't defund the police force.

[Proximal]

I remember this one from out here in 97. The police were so under equipped. How defunding them is going to help, makes no sense.

[GearHeaded]

I am pro-gun and I think the laws are plenty slack.

which laws ?
this is on a state by state and city by city basis .. there are no universal gun laws per se.
I have a friend that owns a gun shop and does online sales, he purposely won't sell to anybody in California cause of the laws there about not being able to have a gun that holds more then 10 bullets (unless your buying a hunting rifle most guns hold more then 10 bullets) and because you can't take possession of the gun at the time of purchase.. its a bullshit law.
then in Chicago your not allowed to own a gun at all .. in NY city you can't possess a handgun.
I have a concealed carry permit for my state, but when I travel into a certain city (the capital) I'm not allowed to carry it. also If you live within 150 meters of a school your not allowed to own guns.. lol, you know how many bullshit laws there are out there.
the list goes on and on

there is not a universal gun law out there . and plenty of places are not slack at all when it comes to gun laws

[charger69]

which laws ?
this is on a state by state and city by city basis .. there are no universal gun laws per se.
I have a friend that owns a gun shop and does online sales, he purposely won't sell to anybody in California cause of the laws there about not being able to have a gun that holds more then 10 bullets (unless your buying a hunting rifle most guns hold more then 10 bullets) and because you can't take possession of the gun at the time of purchase.. its a bullshit law.
then in Chicago your not allowed to own a gun at all .. in NY city you can't possess a handgun.
I have a concealed carry permit for my state, but when I travel into a certain city (the capital) I'm not allowed to carry it. also If you live within 150 meters of a school your not allowed to own guns.. lol, you know how many bullshit laws there are out there.
the list goes on and on

there is not a universal gun law out there . and plenty of places are not slack at all when it comes to gun laws

Your friend is discriminating.... I am going to go to his shop and protest!! LOL


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[C27H40O3]

its not about defunding them or not.. a lot of police forces have been infiltrated by Free Masons (Satanists) and KKK members.. they have been trying to infiltrate a lot of government agencies.
its not about de funding as much as it should be about weeding out these free masons and getting them off the police force and have a better vetting policy .

on a side note -- also, have more slack gun laws and let the citizens arm themselves more easily, carry wherever they want open or concealed .. and crime will naturally go down. don't need a very big police force when the citizens are all armed and strapped protecting themselves.

Masons are satanists? You are really delusional.

[C27H40O3]

The best thing I saw this week was when the mob turned on that pussified mayor of Minniapolis. He sucked their dick and kissed their ass all week. Pandering with his getting choked up at press conferences and saying the cop murdered the guy, and feeding the cops to the wolves. Then he gives an answer they dont like, because the bloodthirsty mob's bloodlust will never be satiated. So they kick him out of their demo, rudely dismissing him, as so often happens with whores when they have served their purpose and are no longer of any use to their masters. He was disrespected and mocked to his face like the political whore that he is.

Heartwarming, It was the general theme of a porn video. watching him debasing himself before the crowd, only to get rudely dismissed after they bust off on his face. Classic porn

[almostgone]

Defunding of the local police force is the first step towards the creation of countrywide outposts of federal police, which leads to the issue of accountability

With the county sheriff model of law enforcement, LE is at least accountable when it's time to vote.

[GearHeaded]

Masons are satanists? You are really delusional.

infiltrated by satanist (thats more precise) . thats how satanists work

however, you probably have zero clue what a satanist actually even is . been to dooped by your church and Hollywood to think satanism is some devil with horns and a pitch fork

[C27H40O3]

Lets see if BLM is for real, and consistent. Doctors kill 250,000 patients in hospitals each year due to medical errors.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/22/medi...n-america.html

A recent Johns Hopkins study claims more than 250,000 people in the U.S. die every year from medical errors. Other reports claim the numbers to be as high as 440,000.


They killed this girl last year in a local hospital.

https://www.nydailynews.com/new-york...sry-story.html

Family to sue for $50 million after beloved mom dies in Bronx hospital following routine procedure

Lets see if BLM demands the arrest of the doctor, and the whole operating room staff. And lets see if they want the hospital defiunded and abolished. They know about it. Lets see if they are really for black lives.

When they start to call for abolishing certain hospitals and locking up doctors who kill patients, i will take them seriously. Until then, they are nothing more than opportunists looking for free shit during self instigated riots.

[Capebuffalo]

The best thing I saw this week was when the mob turned on that pussified mayor of Minniapolis. He sucked their dick and kissed their ass all week. Pandering with his getting choked up at press conferences and saying the cop murdered the guy, and feeding the cops to the wolves. Then he gives an answer they dont like, because the bloodthirsty mob's bloodlust will never be satiated. So they kick him out of their demo, rudely dismissing him, as so often happens with whores when they have served their purpose and are no longer of any use to their masters. He was disrespected and mocked to his face like the political whore that he is.

Heartwarming, It was the general theme of a porn video. watching him debasing himself before the crowd, only to get rudely dismissed after they bust off on his face. Classic porn

I agree with you completely. You do have to give him credit. It would have been very easy to say he would disband the police in front of that large crowd( I know it was large because it took him 5 min to walk through them to get out being yelled at. Lol). But he didn’t say it. I have to give him credit for that. But only that. That appears to be the only time in office he’s had a backbone and not caved to radical liberals. And at that point he realized his career was over.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Were they the two like bank robbers that were armed and armored up? I remember seeing footage of them taking small arms (pistol) fire and being like 'well, that made me flinch' but not much else. I think LE eventually ended that when someone showed up with an AR-15?

Yeah they went across the street to a local gun store and bought some real shit. Then I think they shot them in the feet because that was the only part of them that wasn’t armored

[Proximal]

Were they the two like bank robbers that were armed and armored up? I remember seeing footage of them taking small arms (pistol) fire and being like 'well, that made me flinch' but not much else. I think LE eventually ended that when someone showed up with an AR-15?

The 2 robbers had the assault rifles, the cops didn’t to my knowledge.

https://youtu.be/I_1IvZFwj0M

[Proximal]

Yeah they went across the street to a local gun store and bought some real shit. Then I think they shot them in the feet because that was the only part of them that wasn’t armored

We drove down that street and past that bank back and forth every day, no gun stores.

[Cuz]

I am pro-gun and I think the laws are plenty slack.
You can even buy a gun with out a background check.

"Federal law requires background checks for commercial gun sales, but not for private-party sales whereby any person may sell a firearm to an unlicensed resident of the same state as long as they do not know or do not have reasonable cause to believe the purchaser is prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms under Federal law.[3][4][5]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_sh...ing%20firearms

You think gun laws need to be more slack?
Do tell, how many guns do you own?

(I am not saying we should limit the amount of guns GH owns.)

Where can you buy a firearm without a background check? I would like to know. Its sure as hell aint where i live. I tried to buy a gun Friday and have yet to get a call saying i can pick it up. My background is clean as fuck no arrests period hell i even was in reserve academy. Lol

[almostgone]

Was it this incident? LE commandeered some firepower from a nearby gun store.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.csm...7.us.us.5.html



At the height of the crisis, several officers had to resort to the arsenal of a nearby gun store to commandeer nine rifles with enough firepower to pierce their assailants' protective clothing.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

We drove down that street and past that bank back and forth every day, no gun stores.

Well there was a gun store somewhere I suppose. It’s been awhile since I saw it but they made like a made for TV movie about it. It was called “44 minutes” I think

[Capebuffalo]

Were they the two like bank robbers that were armed and armored up? I remember seeing footage of them taking small arms (pistol) fire and being like 'well, that made me flinch' but not much else. I think LE eventually ended that when someone showed up with an AR-15?

The responding officers only had pistols and maybe a shotgun. They were taking so much fire that the ran to a gun store on the block and took ar’s and ammo to return fire with wile swat was in route. It changed the way they were trained to respond from that day forward. The bank robbery in the movie Heat was based loosely on that event.

[i_SLAM_cougars]

The responding officers only had pistols and maybe a shotgun. They were taking so much fire that the ran to a gun store on the block and took ar’s and ammo to return fire with wile swat was in route. It changed the way they were trained to respond from that day forward. The bank robbery in the movie Heat was based loosely on that event.

This might be the best movie robbery of all time

[The Deadlifting Dog]

Where can you buy a firearm without a background check? I would like to know. Its sure as hell aint where i live. I tried to buy a gun Friday and have yet to get a call saying i can pick it up. My background is clean as fuck no arrests period hell i even was in reserve academy. Lol

the picture shows where you need background checks on private party sales.
You (and the seller I believe) must be from the state that allows Private Party Sales without background checks.

So: for instance if you are from South Carolina you are all set but if you are from North Carolina you are fucked....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_show_loophole



Feel free to tell me I am wrong.
I simply did a quick search.
I do not know all the intricracies.

[Proximal]

The responding officers only had pistols and maybe a shotgun. They were taking so much fire that the ran to a gun store on the block and took ar’s and ammo to return fire with wile swat was in route. It changed the way they were trained to respond from that day forward. The bank robbery in the movie Heat was based loosely on that event.

“Heat” came out in 95, 2 years before the robbery.

[Capebuffalo]

This might be the best movie robbery of all time

The movie The Town was badass also. Great shootout at the end

[Capebuffalo]

“Heat” came out in 95, 2 years before the robbery.

14 months actually. If you want to be factual.

[Proximal]

Very good. Now if you really want to be “factual”, tell where that gun store was “in the area” during the 1997 shooting. You can’t, because it wasn’t there.

[GearHeaded]

The 2 robbers had the assault rifles, the cops didn’t to my knowledge.

https://youtu.be/I_1IvZFwj0M

no such thing as an "assault rife" ... thats a false term. just like there is not an "assault pen" when you use it and misspell a word.
"assault" is an action performed by a person , not a basic object like a rife

[Capebuffalo]

Very good. Now if you really want to be “factual”, tell where that gun store was “in the area” during the 1997 shooting. You can’t, because it wasn’t there.

You don’t say.

During the standoff, frustrated police ran into the now-defunct B&B Gun Shop to grab high-powered weapons and ammo. But most police officers remained calm, despite ineffective weapons, faulty radios and a command post relocated four times.

On February 28th 1997, the Bank of America in North Hollywood was robbed by two gunmen wearing full body armor and carrying automatic weapons. They were surrounded by 350 police officers and over a 1000 rounds of ammunition were fired as they tried to make their escape. Much of this was broadcast live on TV from an overhead news helicopter. Three civilians and nine police officers were shot, bullets destroyed 10 patrol cars. At one point officers had to requisition weapons from a local gun shop, unable to match the firepower of the 2 gunman. Eventually one of the robbers committed suicide rather then surrender, the other one was brought down by a S.W.A.T team member, and bled to death before he could receive medical attention.

In the midst of the gun battle, five officers race to the nearby B&B Gun Shop and borrow weapons and ammunition, attempting to even the firepower.

The distance from B&B Gun Store, North Hollywood, from the B. of A. bank on Laurel Canyon Blvd., is about one mile +/- a few yards.

Anyway, that's what happened with the North Hollywood B. of A. shootout, as far as the "AR-15s borrowed from a gunstore," story is concerned.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

no such thing as an "assault rife" ... thats a false term. just like there is not an "assault pen" when you use it and misspell a word.
"assault" is an action performed by a person , not a basic object like a rife

So I guess I have to throw away my warhammer and battle axe.
And so much for my boxing gloves. I've never seen them box.
Or my lifting straps.

Seriously....

From Beetlegeuse

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...thread-14.html

However, in military parlance, an assault rifle is a legitimate thing. It's a select-fire (meaning it can function as either semi-auto or full auto) rifle (or carbine) chambered for a cartridge of intermediate power, like 5.56 NATO or 7.62x39. This is a new (post-WWII) thing because up until WWII armies ran on something they called a "battle rifle," which could be a bolt gun or semi-auto but was chambered in a "full-powered" cartridge, like .30-06 Springfield, .303 British, 8mm Mauser, 7.62 Russian or 7.7x58.

He posted that but it could be a cut and paste from somehwere else.

[Capebuffalo]

Very good. Now if you really want to be “factual”, tell where that gun store was “in the area” during the 1997 shooting. You can’t, because it wasn’t there.

[Beetlegeuse]

If you banished Chicago, that would eliminate about 450 black-on-black murders each year. Even in their wildest dreams, the most ambitiously racist of cops don't aspire to murder that many. But nobody gets exercised over it unless the guilty party is white or a policeman.

The lowest estimate you're likely to find for deaths due in America each year due to medical errors is 210,000. High estimate is more than double that. But even if it's the low number, and presuming that 14% of them were black, that comes to 29,400 a year. One black person killed every 17 minutes and 53 seconds. Banning cops is chicken feed, what they really need to ban is the medical profession.

[Capebuffalo]

Go to 59:57 Prox of all knowledge.
Get your ass around the corner to B&B Guns and get all the semi automatic guns you can find.

[Proximal]

Yup looked them up and know there previous location. Yeah, damn close to the bank! Alright, you’re batting 250 on the things I’ve called you on, lol.

Seriously though, thank you for the correction. 23 years ago, I’ll claim old age fogged my memory there. The store subsequently moved and isn’t there any longer.

Just edited Prox of all knowledge made me laugh, good one and deserved.

[The Deadlifting Dog]

If you banished Chicago, that would eliminate about 450 black-on-black murders each year. Even in their wildest dreams, the most ambitiously racist of cops don't aspire to murder that many. But nobody gets exercised over it unless the guilty party is white or a policeman.

The lowest estimate you're likely to find for deaths due in America each year due to medical errors is 210,000. High estimate is more than double that. But even if it's the low number, and presuming that 14% of them were black, that comes to 29,400 a year. One black person killed every 17 minutes and 53 seconds. Banning cops is chicken feed, what they really need to ban is the medical profession.

Here is the part you aren't grasping.....

The 450 black on black deaths are done by criminals.

George Floyd's death was caused by 4 policemen.
Policemen are supposed to use only appropriate force.

Many people feel that the policemen used inappropriate force.
That is why many people are protesting.

When criminals kill they aren't breaking an oath they swore to uphold.
Police are expected to live to a higher standard.

Now I get your point that many killings happen every year... both by whites and blacks and greens and such...
And protests don't result from those killings.

I think the deciding factor is that it is the Police who did the killing to an unarmed man.

(Please note: In America one is guilty until proven otherwise so please feel free to insert allegedly wherever needed.... I have stated before that I will let the courts decide.
However, I do think it is obvious that the police used excesssive force... Whether that turns out to be murder is happily not my decidion to make.)

[GearHeaded]

So I guess I have to throw away my warhammer and battle axe.
And so much for my boxing gloves. I've never seen them box.
Or my lifting straps.

Seriously....

From Beetlegeuse

https://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-...thread-14.html

However, in military parlance, an assault rifle is a legitimate thing. It's a select-fire (meaning it can function as either semi-auto or full auto) rifle (or carbine) chambered for a cartridge of intermediate power, like 5.56 NATO or 7.62x39. This is a new (post-WWII) thing because up until WWII armies ran on something they called a "battle rifle," which could be a bolt gun or semi-auto but was chambered in a "full-powered" cartridge, like .30-06 Springfield, .303 British, 8mm Mauser, 7.62 Russian or 7.7x58.

DD , you really want to "school me" on what a supposed "assault rife" is or isn't when I've owned hundreds, have a gun room in my house for making my own ammo etc. ? and my kids all know how to shoot an AK .
have studied ballistics and long range sniper tactics and have the tools for it.



and you've never owned a single gun in your life and you want to school me on what AN "assault rifle" is or isn't based on your political views and google skills .


"assault" is a crime of the person himself not of a tool ... you know how many people have been killed by hammers, yet we don't have a classification of "assault hammers" you can't buy at Home Depot do we.
this is just a ploy and tactic of anti gunners to demonize guns

[GearHeaded]

Here is the part you aren't grasping.....

The 450 black on black deaths are done by criminals.

George Floyd's death was caused by 4 policemen.
Policemen are supposed to use only appropriate force.

Many people feel that the policemen used inappropriate force.
That is why many people are protesting.

When criminals kill they aren't breaking an oath they swore to uphold.
Police are expected to live to a higher standard.

Now I get your point that many killings happen every year... both by whites and blacks and greens and such...
And protests don't result from those killings.

I think the deciding factor is that it is the Police who did the killing to an unarmed man.

(Please note: In America one is guilty until proven otherwise so please feel free to insert allegedly wherever needed.... I have stated before that I will let the courts decide.
However, I do think it is obvious that the police used excesssive force... Whether that turns out to be murder is happily not my decidion to make.)

see even though we are on opposite side of the politics we can agree.. police that let the badge go to their head instead of stay on their heart are corrupt..

I was once thrown down to the ground violently and cuffed with 5 guns pointed at my head for a petty little "crime" I didn't even commit. and I'm white.. it goes both ways. any one of these cops could of made a mistake and pulled the trigger and killed me in front on my 4 kids by mistake cause I made a "wrong move" when I didn't even commit a crime or was never a threat.. mistakes happen

[The Deadlifting Dog]

no such thing as an "assault rife" ... thats a false term. just like there is not an "assault pen" when you use it and misspell a word.
"assault" is an action performed by a person , not a basic object like a rife

The military disagrees with you.

I think you are confusing the term assault weapon with assault rifle.

According to the US Army....
"The U.S. Army defines assault rifles as "short, compact, selective-fire weapons that fire a cartridge intermediate in power between submachine gun and rifle cartridges."[16] In this strict definition, a firearm must have at least the following characteristics to be considered an assault rifle:[2][3][4]

It must be capable of selective fire.
It must have an intermediate-power cartridge: more power than a pistol but less than a standard rifle or battle rifle, such as the 7.92×33mm Kurz, the 7.62x39mm and the 5.56×45mm NATO.
Its ammunition must be supplied from a detachable box magazine.[5]
It must have an effective range of at least 300 metres (330 yards)."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_rifle

I trust Beetlegeuse and wiki and other sources more than I trust you.

Now the analogy that I was trying to make....

You like to state that one shouldn't say assault rifle because rifles don't assault, people assault.
Well boxing gloves don't box, people box.

Please refrain from ever using the term boxing gloves. Seriously?!?!?!...

I got another one that many people love to quote:
Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

That one is obviously false....
Guns don't kill people, bullets kill people. Duh...

Seriously Gearhead...
If the US Army classifies a weapon as an assult rifle, you think you can out rank them?

Battle axes don't battle, people battle.
War hammers don't war, people war.

Using plays on words is a cheap trick.

Such as Walmart means "MARTial LAW"
or Democrat means "Demon Crat"

I can do them too...
as a joke...

Gearheaded means Gearhead has ED (erectile dysfunction). It's obvious. It is right there in front of you. You just have to see.

It is very easy to lie by twisting words and stats and such.

If the US Army is fine with the term assault rifle then as a Red Blooded American so I am.

[almostgone]

Very good. Now if you really want to be “factual”, tell where that gun store was “in the area” during the 1997 shooting. You can’t, because it wasn’t there.

Isn't this the shooting y'all are discussing?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.csm...7.us.us.5.html