Do you believe that depression is a disease?

[wango]

Depression is mostly situational so in those cases it is not a disease. They say money can’t buy happiness but this is one of the great lies. Money by itself can cure the majority of depression.

Full on clinical depression is real however the majority of diagnosed cases are miss-diagnosed. When some one is truly suicidal people need to take it seriously. It is not something to gamble on.

For most people at their lowest a lottery win would change everything. For this reason it cannot be called disease in most cases.

Money didn’t cure his depression & anxiety. But, it did buy him the drugs to try to help . . . .


$ only buys you temporary happiness if you don’t have the cash to start with. After that, it’s just money.

[redz]

I think you miss understand, drug addiction, other mental illnesses are another story. I am referring to depression with no other mental issues.

I am certain Money is the root of many of the so called depressed peoples problems this it is not a disease in those cases.

Have you not heard of financial suicide?

[wango]

I think you miss understand, drug addiction, other mental illnesses are another story. I am referring to depression with no other mental issues.

I am certain Money is the root of many of the so called depressed peoples problems this it is not a disease in those cases.

Have you not heard of financial suicide?

I understood you. Many alcoholics & addicts are the result of “depression”. Now weather or not that “depression” is legitimately “clinical” , because of physiological reasons is another topic.

Of course you get “depressed” at a loss like that. It’s partly why the USA is currently in a funk; last year in particular was mega-brutal financially. I’m simply stating that the $ is a temporary mental fix to “depression” caused by poverty. Once you adapt to a newer $ filled life; your previous issues will re-emerge. You’ll just be more comfortable due to your material possessions.

The reason for the quotation marks is that I’m in complete agreement with you regarding the diagnosis/misdiagnoses.

[Cylon357]

Robin had a type of dementia that caused hallucinations. He was seeing monsters and such chasing him and was probably paranoid all the time. Knowing that it was all in his head was probably depressing, though. Sad.

Damn, so he wasn't acting that hard in "The Fisher King"...

[XnavyHMCS]

Wow...

It's comments like the last five or six that keep me coming back to the forum.

You guys, Wango, redz, TM and 357; you guys are making this discussion.

Just my 2 cents.

[XnavyHMCS]

Damn, so he wasn't acting that hard in "The Fisher King"...

Ha ha ha...!!! (please do not misconstrue; I am not laughing about RW's untimely demise)

I nearly spit up my coffee at 0500 here.

[XnavyHMCS]

Robin had a type of dementia that caused hallucinations. He was seeing monsters and such chasing him and was probably paranoid all the time. Knowing that it was all in his head was probably depressing, though. Sad.

TM, that is interesting news; I didn't know that, never heard that; it would explain a lot then.

[Test Monsterone]

Damn, so he wasn't acting that hard in "The Fisher King"...

Haven’t seen if, was that his last one then?

[Test Monsterone]

TM, that is interesting news; I didn't know that, never heard that; it would explain a lot then.

Yeah, I also thought he just killed himself over whatever reason. Now Bruce Willis is going through some shit unfortunately. A guy with all the money and fame, but some things you can’t buy.

[Test Monsterone]

Chester Bennington from Linkin Park was sexually abused as child, from what I remember reading. He had all the money in the world, a hot ass wife, so why was he unhappy?

Chris Cornell, Kurt Cobain, etc. Then countless war veterans, football players, and people from all walks of life.

I think money can certainly contribute to one’s mental state. Money is an indicator of financial success… which is an indicator of a lot of things like mental stability, opportunities, luck, etc.

But money isn’t always the answer. Maybe some of you remember the story about the Home Depot employee who was making $12/hr and won millions in the lottery, then ended up killing himself. He apparently became addicted to gambling and sex, cheated on his wife, his family left him, and he found himself rich and alone. He couldn’t buy back the people he betrayed and the family he destroyed so he ended his own life.

I think we all like to believe that if only we had such and such, we’d be completely happy. I don’t think it’s human nature to ever be truly happy. That’s why we keep wanting more and we’re never satisfied. Columbus didn’t cross the ocean cause he was satisfied. We need to be a little unhappy to improve our lives and continue forward. I think we’re all capable of being depressed just as we are all capable of killing… if the right conditions present themselves.

[Cylon357]

Haven’t seen if, was that his last one then?

Oh no, that's an early 90s flick. IIRC, he plays a homeless guy who has hallucinations of like knights and dragons and all sorts of monsters.

Too close to home, man, too close to home.

[Cylon357]

Ha ha ha...!!! (please do not misconstrue; I am not laughing about RW's untimely demise)

I nearly spit up my coffee at 0500 here.

No problem I totally get it! Like damn, that's seems to be an uncomfortably accurate observation.

And I absolutely was not making fun. I thought RW had a PHENOMENAL level of talent, sadly, also more than enough tragedy to go with it.

[kamilawal]

of course it is

[rippedrich]

Depression is a gift/a sign that God is telling you that you need to make changes in your life. Medication can't fix that

[wango]

Depression is a gift/a sign that God is telling you that you need to make changes in your life. Medication can't fix that

If alcohol & drugs make you happy as shit by elevating neurotransmitters then meds for depression can work in a similar fashion. Although I see your point regarding it being a sign from God that you need to make changes; a gift it ain’t for sure; it sucks.

[GirlyGymRat]

Disease and disorder are not interchangeable in clinical communities.

Here’s an interesting article.

https://psychcentral.com/depression/...hosocial-model

[wango]

Disease and disorder are not interchangeable in clinical communities.

Here’s an interesting article.

https://psychcentral.com/depression/...hosocial-model

I want to see physiological & neurophysiological changes in an article addressing this topic. Thank you for the link GGR.

[Lemonada8]

Depression is mostly situational so in those cases it is not a disease. They say money can’t buy happiness but this is one of the great lies. Money by itself can cure the majority of depression.
Full on clinical depression is real however the majority of diagnosed cases are miss-diagnosed. When some one is truly suicidal people need to take it seriously. It is not something to gamble on.
For most people at their lowest a lottery win would change everything. For this reason it cannot be called disease in most cases.

Ill be up front, i disagree with the above statements. but there are some shady definitions i want to clear up.

Disease - alteration from normal function caused by some force, which is chronic in nature
*however, what duration does this entail? how long before it becomes a 'disease'? Disease being key word.

There is a vast vast spectrum of 'clinical depression' that is not only suicide, but can have many different forms that dont have to include suicide.

Just because winning the lottery can change everything, and potentially treat a disease doesn't eliminate the fact that there was a disease initially. So if there is no lottery winning, there is a disease unless winning the lottery can help treat then its not a disease?

Anyways, not trying to be a D***, but your post is the exact stigma regarding mental health in todays society. While I understand your POV, i would challenge that the journey to obtain money to treat depression, "Money by itself can cure the majority of depression" is essentially a shortcut towards that endpoint. Anything that would launch you to full stability instantly would fall under that 'lottery' concept.
If i had bad CAD (Coronary artery disease), and arteries were all clogged n such... and you came to me and said "yo, i got a raffle... 10$ but you can win a chance to have your arteries instantly cleared and your cardiac health restored compared to you having to eat clean, exercise and live generally healthy", If i said yes, would that negate the fact that CAD is not a disease then?

The stigma of 'grow up', 'man up', toughen up, etc... really negatively impacts mental health. Now im not being one of the snowflakes, and whining n shit.
Is there a big aspect with mental health that people suffer from? yes
Do all people truly and honestly work towards treatment? No, because sometimes it is not feasible to get total remission. and this is known by the individual. So then, with the stigma in society of 'you arent tough enough', and someone is struggling mentally; will they have the self perception to recognize it and then start to work on it? Again, not very common.

I think it has to be something one is exposed to (mental health), before a true appreciation is learned.
I can speak from experience, and I can guarantee that my exposure/experience is much greater one realizes...


sorry for the soap box, but wanna try to stomp out that stigma and mental approach. Nothing directed to you personally, I swear Directed more towards the thought content in the post.

Oh, and btw... Sausage puns are the wurst.

[Lemonada8]

Disease and disorder are not interchangeable in clinical communities. thats arguing semantics...

Here’s an interesting article.
https://psychcentral.com/depression/...hosocial-model

The article is junk, for any critical thinker. Its basically euphemistic approach to the word 'disease' vs 'disorder'.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art.../5-7400195.pdf

very good read and how this type of debate is really not addressing the core issue.

[GirlyGymRat]

The article is junk, for any critical thinker. Its basically euphemistic approach to the word 'disease' vs 'disorder'.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art.../5-7400195.pdf

very good read and how this type of debate is really not addressing the core issue.

Why generate a post?

[GirlyGymRat]

I want to see physiological & neurophysiological changes in an article addressing this topic. Thank you for the link GGR.

Interested in your research!

[rippedrich]

It is a gift depending on how you view life. We are spiritual beings having a human experience. Be ready for all that this human experience has to offer - the ups, the downs, and everything in between.

[amyst]

I do, have couple of examples around. This disease is very dangerous and we we shouldn't leave the people alone when they need us.
Of course you can try to help them by involving them is some sports or other mental activities. That would be the first step is one of stupidity.
My friend with the depression started to learn new language few years ago and now she is working for this translation services already . She shifted her concentration from her own struggles to something useful and it kinda worked. She has some bad days here and there but it doesn't happen as often as before.


Last warning, amyst. Quit posting links to paid services or you'll be gone.

[Cuz]

I do, have couple of examples around

Yeah, you’re definitely Davi. How ya doin Davi

[Mooseman33]

hahahahahahahahahaha

[harpermlr]

Yes, I think so. This is also what doctors say

[redz]

Ill be up front, i disagree with the above statements. but there are some shady definitions i want to clear up.

Disease - alteration from normal function caused by some force, which is chronic in nature
*however, what duration does this entail? how long before it becomes a 'disease'? Disease being key word.

There is a vast vast spectrum of 'clinical depression' that is not only suicide, but can have many different forms that dont have to include suicide.

Just because winning the lottery can change everything, and potentially treat a disease doesn't eliminate the fact that there was a disease initially. So if there is no lottery winning, there is a disease unless winning the lottery can help treat then its not a disease?

Anyways, not trying to be a D***, but your post is the exact stigma regarding mental health in todays society. While I understand your POV, i would challenge that the journey to obtain money to treat depression, "Money by itself can cure the majority of depression" is essentially a shortcut towards that endpoint. Anything that would launch you to full stability instantly would fall under that 'lottery' concept.
If i had bad CAD (Coronary artery disease), and arteries were all clogged n such... and you came to me and said "yo, i got a raffle... 10$ but you can win a chance to have your arteries instantly cleared and your cardiac health restored compared to you having to eat clean, exercise and live generally healthy", If i said yes, would that negate the fact that CAD is not a disease then?

The stigma of 'grow up', 'man up', toughen up, etc... really negatively impacts mental health. Now im not being one of the snowflakes, and whining n shit.
Is there a big aspect with mental health that people suffer from? yes
Do all people truly and honestly work towards treatment? No, because sometimes it is not feasible to get total remission. and this is known by the individual. So then, with the stigma in society of 'you arent tough enough', and someone is struggling mentally; will they have the self perception to recognize it and then start to work on it? Again, not very common.

I think it has to be something one is exposed to (mental health), before a true appreciation is learned.
I can speak from experience, and I can guarantee that my exposure/experience is much greater one realizes...


sorry for the soap box, but wanna try to stomp out that stigma and mental approach. Nothing directed to you personally, I swear Directed more towards the thought content in the post.

Oh, and btw... Sausage puns are the wurst.

As someone who attempted suicide I am plenty versed on the subject and I also had a moment of absolution where I exited depression in literally one moment as I walked away from the train tracks smiling and seeing colors brighter than I could even remember before that. I lost every material possession I had to a woman, I was broke, homeless and unemployed yet I was alive and it felt great. I built myself back up with new purpose. These days my daily driver is a 2023 c8 3LT z51. I’m in the best shape of my life.

These days I try to inspire and will be launching my social media presence by years end to try to motivate and help others.

[markwilliams]

I personally believe that depression is indeed a real and complex condition, not a sign of emotional weakness.

I had a period I'd describe as "depressive." During that time, I sought out a specialist. The doc explained that while depression might not be labeled a 'disease' in the same way we think of physical ailments, it's an intricate interplay of brain chemistry, life experiences, and environment. He made it clear that it's not about being weak or strong emotionally. It's about how our brain and body respond to various factors.

[harpermlr]

Yes, I think so. This is also what doctors say. I had depression several times and it was terrible. I didn't want anything at all. Fortunately, I visited a doctor and ordered antidepressants from Canada Drugs. They helped me a lot with sports, drawing and positive music