shawn ray kicked my ass!!!!

[bigol'legs]

Cool as HELL!!! herc you are now my favorite bro!..

[hercules88]

glad to here that.....big...your a great bro yourself.

ill bet he will look at it and say, i can handle it, then he will look at me and laugh.

ill keep ya posted and tell you what he says.

[ColdSore]

bump for an update...Herc man its been 4 days...how are the workouts

[Dude-Man]

not fair, let's see some pictures! shawn ray is one of my favorites.

[bornbad71]

**** bro that friggin awesome.....most here would love to train with a pro for one day but you are getting trained by one of the best.....u gotta get some pics up.....so are u taller than him.hahaha......it woulkd be cool to look down at him and say "ready for the next set shorty".

[hercules88]

**** bro that friggin awesome.....most here would love to train with a pro for one day but you are getting trained by one of the best.....u gotta get some pics up.....so are u taller than him.hahaha......it woulkd be cool to look down at him and say "ready for the next set shorty".

actually im like an inch taller. im sorry chris, im slackin ill get pics up soon hopefully by the end of the week.

[pumpseeker]

That's awesome bro. Shawn is one of the most motivating partners you could train with. I met him last year at a show, then I saw him again in Vegas for his MuscleCamp (here's a pic I got of me and him at Gold's Vegas for the doubters!). He passed out his booklet there "the Shawn Ray Way" which outlines his philosophies on training partners and basically he looks at it as competition. He's gotta lift more and get more reps and he's there screaming in your face during your sets. Hard Core. Flex Wheeler said he didn't like training with Shawn sometimes because he could be too aggressive. But you gotta admit, you're gonna see results when you train balls out like that.

And for the haters out there, Shawn worked his ass off, yes his physique didn't change much over the 90s but it was one of the best packages to ever compete and he did place higher than 4th in the O! How could anyone think all it takes is some gear and gh? Try dedication for decades. Pro BBers are true warriors and they deserve respect. Shawn's retired now, doing the athlete's rep thing for the IFBB but I wonder if he'll ever compete again. Herc, how's he lookin?

Yo Herc, ask Shawn if he posts on any boards...musclemayhem maybe? I'd love to get some advice.

[pumpseeker]

btw, that's Stan McCrary in the background, and Craig Titus

[hercules88]

awsome to hear pumpseeker, i got good news for your bro, he is competing again, he told me he is doing to O this year. i think its nutz, im a training with a frikin olympian.

i know what you mean about his training philosophies, i have experienced it. not fully yet, in a few weeks we will start to go balls to the wall. and i did show him up on calfs, he was impressed with that.

he is looking good for taking a year off of training. i only see him fuly clothed so it is hard to judge his true physique.

[ColdSore]

awsome to hear pumpseeker, i got good news for your bro, he is competing again, he told me he is doing to O this year. i think its nutz, im a training with a frikin olympian.

i know what you mean about his training philosophies, i have experienced it. not fully yet, in a few weeks we will start to go balls to the wall. and i did show him up on calfs, he was impressed with that.

he is looking good for taking a year off of training. i only see him fuly clothed so it is hard to judge his true physique.

thats awesome...what type of light "leg workout" you two did...btw i did big ole's leg routine tonight but supplemented the leg press with smith squats and OMG...you have to get him to do that workout...its killer...big ole would be pumped about it too

[the hulkster]

This is the ultimate experience man, I bet you will never forget this for the res of your life.


Whatcha gonna do brother......

[bigol'legs]

Bro... i know monday was leg day... are you walking funny?

[hercules88]

Bro... i know monday was leg day... are you walking funny?

actualy yesterday was leg day, without shawn, he want to AZ. he comes back on thurs for back. thats when i wil slip him your leg workout.

[saboudian]

Shawn Ray is probably the last pro I would look for in training advice. He got his pro card in high 190's and last time he competed he was 215ish, so he's put on an avg of 1.5-2lbs of muscle per year since becoming a pro, pretty terrible. Try and find a single O competitor who has put on less muscle than shawn ray since when they got their pro card.

[Kärnfysikern]

Shawn Ray is probably the last pro I would look for in training advice. He got his pro card in high 190's and last time he competed he was 215ish, so he's put on an avg of 1.5-2lbs of muscle per year since becoming a pro, pretty terrible. Try and find a single O competitor who has put on less muscle than shawn ray since when they got their pro card.

Well considering he managed to turn pro at the age of 22 I think he knows a thing or 2 about how to build muscle. I think he would ruine his body if he ever went over 220 in contest shape. Either he cant grow anymore or he doesnt want to grow anymore?

[hercules88]

back day
lat pull down 6 sets first 2 were warm up 15,15,12,12,12,10
bent over dumbell rows 12,12,12,10
t bar rows 12,10,10,10
deadlifts 15,12,12
back extensions (i think thats what you call em) 3 sets of 20

that was back day. it was very painfull. never fought thru that type of pain before. i was wipped out and still am.

sorry chris, couldnt get any pics this week, i will try for monday but if i cant it will have to be after he gts back from arnold classic.

[ColdSore]

back day
lat pull down 6 sets first 2 were warm up 15,15,12,12,12,10
bent over dumbell rows 12,12,12,10
t bar rows 12,10,10,10
deadlifts 15,12,12
back extensions (i think thats what you call em) 3 sets of 20

that was back day. it was very painfull. never fought thru that type of pain before. i was wipped out and still am.

sorry chris, couldnt get any pics this week, i will try for monday but if i cant it will have to be after he gts back from arnold classic.

d-lifts after all of that...i would be tired as hell too...looks like ALOT of reps

[hercules88]

it is alot of reps, with barley any restime, the only time i rest is when i count his reps and change the weights. i sweat like its cardio. i have never pushed myself this hard, but im glad im doing it now.

[hercules88]

forgot to ad lower back pulls 12,12,10,10 those went before deadlifts. it was a hell of a day.

[ColdSore]

it is alot of reps, with barley any restime, the only time i rest is when i count his reps and change the weights. i sweat like its cardio. i have never pushed myself this hard, but im glad im doing it now.

**** i can only imagine...he doesnt even give you like 30 seconds between sets....is the workout kickin his ass too?

[hercules88]

yea i guess he hasnt lifted for like a year. i lift close to the same weights he is. like on t bar rows, he actually commented today and what a good job i was doing and even joked to a friend that i was kickin his butt. good stuff, made me feel happy.

[Kärnfysikern]

Little rest betwen sets rocks

[bigol'legs]

Doesnt look like 2 rough of a back routine. I love deads last.... pulls some muscles (good way) and great way to end the day.

[ColdSore]

bump for an update herc...hows shawn lookin...are you doing anything different in your routines???

[Butch]

Herc....please do not stop posting....I like to hear about this...you know opinions are like as*holes....everyone has one....lol....I think it is great you got this experience....please do keep us in the loop...we are all now living vicarisly (sp?) through you.....

[Kärnfysikern]

Been curiously waiting for more posts in this thread to!

[Prime]

This isnt a flame so dont take it as one but...................
Is traing with Shawn Ray actually going to be beneficial to you???
Probably for a while as you are forced to work to you're max, hes stronger then you and you will be inspired to train harder. But there will come a point where the tank will reach empty. A guy like Shawn is from a different gene pool to the rest of us, hes one of the genetic elite and if he's like the majority of pro's hes also 'on' year round. So performing 4-6 sets per exercise may still provide some benefit for him, but for the average guy, even on a cycle, you'd have to say that long term this is going to lead to overtraining and probably injury. I would never dream of going toe to toe with a pro the way they train. Of course there are exceptions, Dorian and Ernie Taylor both train in a heavy duty way, this is something you could emulate and still see long term gains.
But on another level i suppose if it was me and i had the chance to train with shawn or any other pro for that matter id jump at the chance, even if i knew that i wouldnt be getting the benefit that i would from a programme structured round a normal humans capability. (if you havent guessed i take alot of inspitation from Mentzer)

[daman1]

bump for an update herc...hows shawn lookin...are you doing anything different in your routines???

Ditto. What's new??

[Kärnfysikern]

This isnt a flame so dont take it as one but...................
Is traing with Shawn Ray actually going to be beneficial to you???
Probably for a while as you are forced to work to you're max, hes stronger then you and you will be inspired to train harder. But there will come a point where the tank will reach empty. A guy like Shawn is from a different gene pool to the rest of us, hes one of the genetic elite and if he's like the majority of pro's hes also 'on' year round. So performing 4-6 sets per exercise may still provide some benefit for him, but for the average guy, even on a cycle, you'd have to say that long term this is going to lead to overtraining and probably injury. I would never dream of going toe to toe with a pro the way they train. Of course there are exceptions, Dorian and Ernie Taylor both train in a heavy duty way, this is something you could emulate and still see long term gains.
But on another level i suppose if it was me and i had the chance to train with shawn or any other pro for that matter id jump at the chance, even if i knew that i wouldnt be getting the benefit that i would from a programme structured round a normal humans capability. (if you havent guessed i take alot of inspitation from Mentzer)

to bad the HIT approach pracitly have no scientific backing while the higher volume approach has a ****load of backing. You should read more into how the eastern block countries train. they are WAY ahead of the rest when it comes to strenght training. They have made it into a science

also tell me, how many pros have trained hit and how many has trained a more conventional way? Seems to me like more people grow of volume and maby HIT only works for the genetic freaks.

http://www.deepsquatter.com/strength/archives/ls12.htm <--- good article that puts HIT style training into the proper perspective

[Prime]

Well from personal experience i have found less to be more somtimes. Dropping from 3 sets to two per bodypart gave me great improvments and dropping to 4 days a week from 5 did as well. I think HIT has real benefits. And diddnt Dorian win the MrO a couple of times???? And Mentzer prob would have won in 1980 had Arnold not gotten a gift. (yes Mentzer placed 5th but it's probably one of the most controversial mrO's ever).

[Kärnfysikern]

Well from personal experience i have found less to be more somtimes. Dropping from 3 sets to two per bodypart gave me great improvments and dropping to 4 days a week from 5 did as well. I think HIT has real benefits. And diddnt Dorian win the MrO a couple of times???? And Mentzer prob would have won in 1980 had Arnold not gotten a gift. (yes Mentzer placed 5th but it's probably one of the most controversial mrO's ever).

Yeah but thats only 2 good pros Then look at arnie, serge nubret, oliva, coleman, lee priest and on and on.

I have found more to be more(in sane ammounts not going overboard) if the volume is increased slowely and gpp is worked hard.

Everytime I have done HIT is has given me very good results for exactly 3 weeks then I dont gain anymore and then I start to lose. I even tried it when on a bulk cycle eating everything in sight and still after week 3 all progress stopped. Same with everyone I have trained with.

Dropping your volume made you grow but I can bet that if you had worked on recovery and gpp then that also would have enabled you grow without dropping volume and in the long run I truly belive it would have been more benefical.

But everyone is different I guess thats why this sport is so fun

[stack-a-licious]

man, i grew up with a guy named shawn ray in chicago... he was always at the gym and was the biggest guy we knew...this was in high school... that was like 16 years ago..i wonder if this is the same shawn ray i knew?? anyone have any info, books, web-sites that have his pic??

[Kärnfysikern]

man, i grew up with a guy named shawn ray in chicago... he was always at the gym and was the biggest guy we knew...this was in high school... that was like 16 years ago..i wonder if this is the same shawn ray i knew?? anyone have any info, books, web-sites that have his pic??

www.shawnray.net is his homepage

[stack-a-licious]

thanks johan...
not the guy i knew from high school...but quite the coincidence...

[decadbal]

how cool is richard jones, bc they hve been workin out together for the last l7 or 8 months....so i assume you workout with both of them right?

[Prime]

Well i suppose different strokes for different folks. All i was really saying in my first post is that most people couldnt handle the workload volume of the pro's like arnold, lee preist, ronnie etc.

[decadbal]

no comparison to ronnie with arnold

[Z-Ro]

This a good thread you have going hercules, keep the information coming bro. Also, I read where you said to keep your head down doing shrugs. Are there any other mistakes that Shawn has pointed out to you that most people make while lifting?

Ro

[Bigboy123]

I would love to be able to train with a pro like that bro.. Ur one lucky dude...

[hercules88]

This a good thread you have going hercules, keep the information coming bro. Also, I read where you said to keep your head down doing shrugs. Are there any other mistakes that Shawn has pointed out to you that most people make while lifting?

Ro

he is really big on the FULL range of movement. he yells at me when im not doing the full range. also he yells at me when i dont get al my reps in and then makes me do them.