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11-25-2004, 09:16 PM #1
does anyone think it's "cheating" to juice?
i was talking to my stepfather and he told me my old friend had gained 10 lbs. in 2 or 3 months naturally. when i told him how much i had gained he said "yeah,but you cheated" that really pisses me off when someone tells me,or i hear that if you do roids your cheating. i bust my @ss in the gym 4-5 days a week! cheating my @ss!
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11-25-2004, 09:47 PM #2
who are you cheating?? That is the quesiton. Fuk em. It's be all you can be, not try to be all you can be but don't use everything you have available.
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11-25-2004, 09:51 PM #3Originally Posted by ChefJ
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11-25-2004, 09:57 PM #4
It depends on how he defines "cheating". Is it cheating to ride your car when going to work instead of walking?!
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11-25-2004, 10:07 PM #5Member
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I did't start usin until I felt that I had gone as far as I could naturally. I started lifting serously and eating "LIKE A PRO" 7 years ago. 360 days a year (Holidays... ya know), eating, sleeping, living the life. I started when I was 20 years old and am now 27. So, cheating, just like Chief said.... "F**k 'EM".
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11-25-2004, 10:09 PM #6New Member
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Cheat to win! Its not cheating if your just doing it to look good; your not being drug tested in most cases unless your some kind of pro athlete or in competitions, so **** em.
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11-25-2004, 10:18 PM #7
Is it cheating to put a supercharger on your car????
That's how I look at it, my body is my performance
car and I want it to perform at it's peak that's all...
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11-25-2004, 10:23 PM #8
Its only cheating if you use it to get ahead in a sport IMO, then it just wrecks it, if its for yourself though then why the hell not
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11-25-2004, 11:04 PM #9Member
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Hell,
"IF YOU AIN'T CHEATIN' - YOU AIN'T TRYIN'."
my .02
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11-25-2004, 11:12 PM #10
Its not cheating if everyone is doing it
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11-25-2004, 11:18 PM #11
cheaters never win.....but they sure do GROW!!
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11-25-2004, 11:24 PM #12
I believe its on cheating, if for instance you use it to beat someone in a natural p/l meet, similar to what 1-Cent said. If your doing it for your own personal uses, then do not worry about what others tell you.
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11-25-2004, 11:36 PM #13Associate Member
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If steroids are cheating, then so is creatine, and so is supplementary protein intake. Multi-vitamins are "cheating" by that logic. Steroids are simply another enhancement that one can make, which carries certain risks that are blown out of proportion. People are jealous when you enjoy the benefits of things they are too frightened to embrace.
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11-25-2004, 11:38 PM #14
well said mr. Froid
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11-25-2004, 11:52 PM #15
LOL only if you consider women taking the the pill (a hormone) cheating so they can have frivolous sex... we take a hormone so they have it with us who's cheating again?
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11-26-2004, 12:14 AM #16
If you go to your fullust natural potential and then juice its not cheating, but otherwise juicing early that is a good question
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11-26-2004, 12:23 AM #17Originally Posted by Gorgoroth_
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11-26-2004, 12:27 AM #18Member
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Originally Posted by buff87
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11-26-2004, 12:37 AM #19Originally Posted by bigrob33
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11-26-2004, 12:40 AM #20Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by flabbywussy
That's like stepping in the middle of a group of staunch republicans who have donated large sums of money to Bush's campaign and asking, "Who here's for John Kerry?"
Yeah, you bust your butt in the gym, but you're bigger than your stepfather's friend partly because you use steroids .
Get over worrying about what other people think about you, bro. You made a decision, now stand by it.
...And yes, using steroids is cheating if you're comparing two people who are supposed to be natrual bodybuilders (apples to apples). But your using steroids, so you're not an apple are you? You're an orange. Be proud of it.Last edited by BASK8KACE; 11-26-2004 at 12:46 AM.
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11-26-2004, 01:38 AM #21
Yes and no. When i first started working out i used to get that feeling of awww when i could add and extra 5-10 lbs to the bars those slow gains were kewl as hell and i felt proud to have made them because i was busting my ass off.
While on gear i have changed a little. Now i know i am going get stronger/bigger much quicker and it takes away from the fun the gains that i used to make naturally but my workouts are much better and i love feeling like a monster. So i say cheat your ass off
Going back to what Buff said, after a certain point i think you have to take the plunge if you want to get over that platau.
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11-26-2004, 05:11 AM #22
Plain and simple... it's not cheating.. so f*ck em! All your doing is making your efforts pay off.... you could get similar results just working out it just takes a lot longer... instead you compact it... your training.. your eating.. all of it... it is EARNED and most people don't have the gusto to f*cking get it!!!
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11-26-2004, 08:34 AM #23Member
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Originally Posted by flabbywussy
if you label juicing as cheating, than i suppose the effort you exert at the gym is meaningless.. and that creating, whey, good sleep and proper workout discipline is also cheating.
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11-26-2004, 08:36 AM #24
do you take vitamins??
drink anything other than water??
well, that's cheating, compared to someone who compeates coming from the jungles that doesn't have access to those items..
so ..................
No.. steroids isn't cheating, it is using substances that enhance muscle development..The answer to your every question
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11-26-2004, 09:38 AM #25
Anyone who says that taking steriods is cheating is ******* stupid. They only reason that I started cycling is the fact that I wasn't happy with my body, I felt I sould be stronger than I was. Look at my swole ass now!
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11-26-2004, 11:53 AM #26
Hell no. your cheating yourself if you don't juice.
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11-26-2004, 01:01 PM #27Associate Member
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I was just told at the gym today that i'm cheating... whatever you call it.. i'm performing at my peak
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11-26-2004, 01:48 PM #28
It's simple. If you take steroids before you actually develop yourself,then yes you are cheating yourself. If you've been training for years,dieting well,and still not getting the results you want. Be my guest. I could careless if you "cheat" or not.
There's a difference in dedication to your body and mind,and just wanting a free ride.
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11-26-2004, 01:50 PM #29
I'll take the free ride...
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11-26-2004, 03:17 PM #30New Member
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Originally Posted by Tose22
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11-26-2004, 04:16 PM #31
its a stupid analogy and can be assumed only by some1 who envies u..........
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11-26-2004, 04:55 PM #32Originally Posted by Gorgoroth_
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11-26-2004, 04:58 PM #33
Nope! Its like nitrous and it doesnt matter if you when by an inch or by a mile.....
IMO its not cheating.
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11-26-2004, 05:27 PM #34
Its deffinately cheating if you are having a natural weight gaining competiton. Its cheating to someone who is natural and doesnt want to use juice. Yeah i think its kinda cheating.
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11-26-2004, 06:27 PM #35Junior Member
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Originally Posted by Tose22
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11-26-2004, 06:42 PM #36
it depends,.if youve put in you work for years and are now ready to break your natural genetic capabilities,.IMO,..its not cheating.
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11-26-2004, 07:48 PM #37New Member
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I think that there is widespread cheating in natural bodybuilding and powerlifting competitions. I mean you look at the numbers that they put up and claim to be "drug free".....anyone with half a brain knows its bull****. Juice is very prevalent in all of sports.
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11-26-2004, 07:54 PM #38
cheaters do win, who ever told you they don't lyed to you
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11-26-2004, 10:53 PM #39Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by flabbywussy
I used to do 12 to 15 reps, now I am trying out new way to lift what brings you to exhaustion in 8 reps which means I can lift even heavier and wow, the change and being on cycle at same time is just working very well, this is probably my best cycle ever!!
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11-26-2004, 10:55 PM #40
Nope.
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