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12-29-2004, 10:22 PM #641Associate Member
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I've already received about 10 PM's and emails from this board, similar to this one.(below). This is what makes all the bashing I've taken worth it.
Hey man whats up. Im mailing u to thank you for sharing your knowledge and experience on AR. Im 20 years old and have been training for a little over 2 years. I was 5' 6'' 125lbs when i started. Im a little over 170lbs now. Ive made great gains without any juice. I was originally planning to do a cycle this summer.....but u have totally made me reconsider juicing now....and maybe even ever doing it down the road. My main thing is i really wanna do this show in thats coming up in about a year from now. Its a non-testing show. Im afraid its not even going to be worth me competing with guys that are all juiced up. And if i do a natural competition all the....well most of the guys are just beating the drug tests and call theyre selfs "natural"....makes me sick. The main thing is that i really wanna compete. Should i just wait a few years and then do my first show? I just dont wanna get totally blown away and then turn to juice so i can compete with these guys.
thanks bro
"wish u good luck with your health"
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12-30-2004, 04:23 AM #642
listen, man makes his own bed. I couldn't care how late I have been in this conversation... come on buddy 13 compound ,it is obvious you have obseesion problems. and that is the thing that needs to get fixed not your steroid usage. if you have no control then you should have not taken steroids and this probably because of mental problems that you did. no I am not 1g guy! I take 500mg test and winstrol once or twice a year for 10-12 weeks and I am perfectly happy with it. man, you should be helping kids to prevent obssesion and addiction usually caused by mental problems rather then steroid usage bs. yes, steroid is bad but so is smoking and drinking even drinking coffee but in moderation none of them can be that harmfull. anyways I am not a "foool" I wasn't the one that was using my body like guini pig. you were! all the dumbass pros are fools too. pity the fool that can't say no to fortune at the expense of their own health. I mean I would pay money not to look like ronnie coleman I mean what is the point! hey if you are here to redeem yourself then that is defferent story but please don't tell us bs about steroid usage !take care though!
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12-30-2004, 09:07 AM #643Associate Member
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Originally Posted by 2timer
hmmm You would "pay money not to look like ronnie coleman" first of all, you could take enough juice to kill a charging rhino and you WOULD NEVER LOOK LIKE RONNIE COLEMAN. So you don't have to worry about that. AS is only polish. There's a lot more variables involved...
Why are you cycling? Are you a professional athlete? Are you cycling just so you can walk around big? AT LEAST SOME OF THE TOP PROS ARE MAKING A LIVING FROM THE RISK.
WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE?
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12-30-2004, 02:19 PM #644Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by 2timer
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12-30-2004, 02:27 PM #645Originally Posted by Son Of Khadafi
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12-30-2004, 02:46 PM #646Originally Posted by SMYL_GR8
you'll see there names SVC was trying to make the point that these PPL are dead or about dead because of AS...Then SON of k made the point that arnold is probably only alive because of his money and political power..Thats just what I got out of it..
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12-30-2004, 02:48 PM #647Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by SVC
BTW, Your rapid muscle loss after cycle did come from the lack of using clomid. HCG might have helped but once you exit the HCG, you still are left in a state where your natural testosterone is very slow and reluctant to restart, this is the reason people use clomid. It fires up your "natural" production better then anything.
Also as long as you are using an estrogen protective agent like nolva, the reality is, its safer to use mega doses of testosterone (like 1 gram) then it is to take 1/2 gram of testosterone and 1/2 gram of deca , or 1/2 gram of tren , etc... everything that is not testosterone are artificial steroids unlike anything natural in the body except that they "can" hit the same receptors, but the reality is, in PCT your body will recover natural testosterone better on just strictly mega doses of testosterone, then doing stacks of various compounds.
Also for your information, the FDA has approved testing of Nolva now underway on men who have nothing to do with steroid use , it turns out Nolva causes much increased HDL levels and lower bad cholesterol levels, they found the 40 mg level with nolva to be ideal and it works better with fewer side effects then other cholesterol lowering drugs or mega doses of Niacin. The probable reason for your good cholesterol picture when you did steroids is because you did Nolva. For those of us with bad cholesterol levels, its probably advisable to up the doses of nolva rather then drop to 10 mg because of nolva's beneficial functions for improving your triglicerides and cholesterol levels.
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12-30-2004, 02:50 PM #648
It has been documented that Arnold has had no surgeries due to cause of Steroids . I know he has had a surgery before but it was a disease that ran in the family.
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12-30-2004, 02:51 PM #649
i don't know if i can find the evidence but i'll look
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12-30-2004, 02:51 PM #650Originally Posted by Ntpadude
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12-30-2004, 02:54 PM #651Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by SVC
Most of the time anyone taking more then 500 mg of test E will experience a loss of libido, and yet we hear of these 1 grammers with run away sex drive... thats because they think they are taking 1 gram, but reality is, their 4 CC's of test E probably adds up to 500 to 600 mg of actual test.
You can probably lower your guard down because 99% of us are using grossly under dosed steroids .
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12-30-2004, 02:55 PM #652Originally Posted by AG5678
or what whoo no's...Steriods
LOLLast edited by K$I$N$G$P$I$N; 12-30-2004 at 03:06 PM.
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12-30-2004, 03:05 PM #653Originally Posted by K$I$N$G$P$I$N
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12-30-2004, 03:09 PM #654Originally Posted by SMYL_GR8
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12-30-2004, 03:13 PM #655Originally Posted by AG5678
yeah it was a disease that ran in his family.....not realted to as at all.....
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12-30-2004, 03:20 PM #656Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by SVC
Dont confuse getting old and blame everything on steroids because take away the steroids from the history and chances are your friends or even YOU might still have some pre-ordained at birth ailments. You could have a rhumidoid arthritus situation going on but since you admitted steroid use , the steroids got the blame but there could be other things at work. I do believe some of the problems may have been accellerated or contributed to by steroid use but I am sure its not 100% to blame across the board.
Also about Arnold... he says he has good genes and only did dbols prior to 1 contest and didnt like it because it was water and came off rapidly afterwards. I tend to believe him. The reason I beleive him is for all these years he still mostly is holding together is size and shape for his age much better then a dude that built his body on steroids. Was it the 1 time steroid use that gave the cholesterol or was it his bulking diet? Usually high protein diets, even whey protein shakes are all real high in cholesterol. In these circumstances is it really the steroid or the diet?Last edited by Ntpadude; 12-30-2004 at 03:35 PM.
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12-30-2004, 04:08 PM #657Associate Member
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Originally Posted by SMYL_GR8
Great posts man!
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12-30-2004, 04:12 PM #658Associate Member
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Originally Posted by DADDYDBOL
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12-30-2004, 04:19 PM #659Originally Posted by SVC
The dudes 57 yrs old... there are others who have never thouched a steroid in their life who have these same probelms.
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12-30-2004, 04:27 PM #660Associate Member
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Originally Posted by BigMike J
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12-30-2004, 04:31 PM #661Originally Posted by SVC
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12-30-2004, 04:34 PM #662Associate Member
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12-30-2004, 04:37 PM #663Associate Member
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i appreciate this thread very much. i must say that both sides have good points. i dont think supplementing with a moderate amount of testosterone for no longer than 8-14 weeks with LOTS of time off between and with consistent habit of healthy eating and general life style will do any of the things stated or revealed by the dude. however, there is the other side of it all, LOTS of young 20 something yr olds who are using fina, t3, winny, dbol , drol...ect for no good reason again and again will see much of the damages mentioned. i am a firm believer of that. im talking about those who do not even look big for a natural guy (at least HALF of ppl on this board, im sry but it must be said). alot of ppl around here have no reason to use these compounds whatsoever but the mere reason of getting a false sence of hugeness and great strength. i have seen it again and again, that most of what is gained by these ppl is water. i have done about 3-4 cycles in the past 2.5 yrs (starting at 23) and i must say that, and now been natural for 4 months now. i have kept everything from the last cycle because it was a mild one consisting of ONLY sustanon and some clomid/nolva post cycle. anything i did beyond that gave me alot of sides (dbol, fina, deca ). its SOO not worth it for me. major depression from the fina test cycle i did a year ago and it was not a big or long cycle at all. and my god i looked exactly like the dude in his after pics with the puffy nips, and ALL was gone, its quite amazing i looked smaller than before i ever started cycling.
point: at least the 20 somethings should take this thread to heart. i really advocate going natural and at most just try moderate test cycles, coz we all deserve to live a long life.
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12-30-2004, 04:39 PM #664Originally Posted by SVC
What was Reggie Lewis taking?
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12-30-2004, 05:00 PM #665Associate Member
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Originally Posted by redwizza
GREAT POST! Where were you & SMYL GR8 2 weeks ago when it was me against THE CHURCH OF JUICE? When stating the fact that there are potential side effects from AS was considered blasphemy
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12-30-2004, 05:08 PM #666Associate Member
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Originally Posted by Aboot
When Reggie Lewis was playing it was almost a prerequisite that all defensive lineman be juiced to the gills. He weighed around 300lbs, he was fast as lightning and strong as sh*t. Wake up and smell the Folgers
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12-30-2004, 05:13 PM #667Originally Posted by SVC
I see where the confusion is. You're talking about Reggie White, I'm talking about Reggie Lewis, the Boston Celtic, this guy:
http://washingtontimes.com/sports/20...4206-5316r.htm
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12-30-2004, 05:20 PM #668
nuts... never take too much... maybe 2 aas at a time, once a year for 3 mo... thats my thought!
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12-30-2004, 05:22 PM #669Originally Posted by SVC
they are all fast and come preseason.....they are all natural
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12-30-2004, 05:29 PM #670Originally Posted by SVC
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12-30-2004, 05:39 PM #671Associate Member
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Originally Posted by Aboot
Reggie Lewis free based cocaine and died so he is irrelevant to the Arnold conversation...
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12-30-2004, 05:42 PM #672Originally Posted by SVC
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12-30-2004, 05:58 PM #673Associate Member
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Originally Posted by Jackman
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12-30-2004, 06:01 PM #674Originally Posted by Ntpadude
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12-30-2004, 06:07 PM #675Junior Member
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althougt..
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12-30-2004, 06:09 PM #676Originally Posted by Decakur
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12-30-2004, 06:10 PM #677Originally Posted by Jackman
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12-30-2004, 06:13 PM #678Originally Posted by Decakur
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12-30-2004, 06:13 PM #679Originally Posted by Aboot
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12-30-2004, 06:14 PM #680Originally Posted by DEVLDOG
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