another stupid newbie question!!!

**vetteman** · 02-28-2006, 05:25 PM

Hello all, as you can guess from the title I am new to the forum. I am wondering your guys thoughts on my first cycle. first of all I am 6'0 190lbs I am looking for the right combination of products that best suits my needs. I am wanting to cut lbs but at the same time add size and strength. It seems like the more I read the more confused I get. I know that each product effects everyone differently but here is what I am thinking... d-bol or var (which ever u all think is better for my needs am leaning toward the var)with some cypionate or deca (My friend has been on deca for awhile but I am not to sure if he is doing everything he is telling me because to my knowledge he should have better gains. if he is telling the truth this makes me second guess deca)which would best suit me. followed up by some clomid. would it be a good idea to add nolvadex into this or would the clomid do a good enough job??

thanx for yall advice, sorry for any inconvienace,
vetteman

**01dragonslayer** · 02-28-2006, 08:57 PM

This may help a little...Newbies this is for you

SVTMuscle* · 02-28-2006, 09:40 PM

lol no wonder why you got confused just reading your thread alone confused me.

This is the options you gave.
D-Bol OR Var...(with)
Test Cyp OR Deca .

Thsoe are completly diff compounds bro, Var is used mostly for cutting, Dbol for size/strength...Test Cyp is a good cutting Test, and Deca... is not a test which is good for strength and lean gains.

I was use, Test Cyp + Dbol if I were you.

**HOAXX** · 02-28-2006, 10:41 PM

try this ..

test cyp 1-14 500-600 mg /wk
deca 1-12 300-400 mg /wk
proviron 50 mg 1-15
var 40-50 mg ed / 1-10

SVTMuscle* · 03-01-2006, 05:57 PM

Originally Posted by HOAXX

try this ..

test cyp 1-14 500-600 mg /wk
deca 1-12 300-400 mg /wk
proviron 50 mg 1-15
var 40-50 mg ed / 1-10

ok thats the dumbest thing i ever heard.

ok even better, you got the bant

**vetteman** · 03-01-2006, 06:12 PM

Maybe I should just to a single>but do you guys think that just a single compound will give me the noticable gains with prop diet and workouts Or is this basically to see what my body handles everything.

**FranKieC** · 02-28-2006, 10:44 PM

It's his first cycle.

First off you should check out the diet forum and make sure your diet is spot on. You can take all the Gear in the world and if you eat like shit you will look like shit, "You are what you eat".

As for a first cycle a simple Test cycle will be nice.

500mgs Test E or Test Cyp a week for 10-12 weeks with propper pct.

It is very hard to cut and bulk at the same time, you should commit to one or the other.

**HOAXX** · 02-28-2006, 10:46 PM

Originally Posted by FranKieC

It's his first cycle.

First off you should check out the diet forum and make sure your diet is spot on. You can take all the Gear in the world and if you eat like shit you will look like shit, "You are what you eat".

As for a first cycle a simple Test cycle will be nice.

500mgs Test E or Test Cyp a week for 10-12 weeks with propper pct.

It is very hard to cut and bulk at the same time, you should commit to one or the other.

well you know what they say , you get the best results from your first cycle so .. he might as well go all out .

**FranKieC** · 02-28-2006, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by HOAXX

well you know what they say , you get the best results from your first cycle so .. he might as well go all out .

Not the best advice to give a Newbie.

He should run the Test and see how he reacts to it. Then your next cycle you add another compound and so fourth.

**vetteman** · 03-01-2006, 05:32 PM

thanx for all the info!!!!! I have been reading bout diets and workouts and know that here is where the key to success lies. I know the smart thing would be to just do a cycle of test first but no offense thats not my style. Prob not a good decision but I think I am going to go with the dbol and test cyp for my first time.

**Booz** · 03-01-2006, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by HOAXX

well you know what they say , you get the best results from your first cycle so .. he might as well go all out .

very bad advice im glad to see someone banned your ass!!!!
a 1st cycle should consist of a single compound imo test enanthate would be ideal!

**Jnrmrplymouth** · 03-01-2006, 06:09 PM

Originally Posted by booz

very bad advice im glad to see someone banned your ass!!!!
a 1st cycle should consist of a single compound imo test enanthate would be ideal!

lol that cracked me up.............'glad to see someone banned your ass'.

lol good one booz

**Booz** · 03-01-2006, 06:20 PM

start off small and then you have plenty of room to manouver later on mate!and yes start with a single compound and see how you react to it,if you go ahead and stack 2-3 compounds and you get a bad reaction or gyno or watever,you will not know what compound fvcked you!!

**Booz** · 03-01-2006, 06:21 PM

also this way you will know exactly how you react with each compound you add.

**BigJames** · 03-01-2006, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by booz

also this way you will know exactly how you react with each compound you add.

Exactly. Start with one compound (preferably test). Use a longer ester, Test Cyp or Test E so that you have to do fewer injections...as this is your first go you might find it easier on the body. This way you know exactly how you react to the compound at the dose (usually 400-500mg/week). For cycle two, add a compound (like deca or Eq) and see what happens. Do not get complicated until you are getting into your third or fourth one...

**vetteman** · 03-01-2006, 06:36 PM

I know that you guys get these questions all the time and for you all to respond that means you guys care about newbies and dont want them to make hasty choices. you all care what happens to people and that is a rare thing in todays world!!!!!!!!

thanks alot
vetteman