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07-18-2006, 04:50 AM #1
POSH's Summer Bulker (and cutter)
Well, more of a cut bulk!
Anyway, let me know any critique of this cycle please.
First my experience
Using variety of substances since 2002. 7+ cycles.
Currently 5'9, 210lb, and around 12% bf.
Have done heavy and light cycles, but none this heavy.
Am very prone to gyno, had surgery a few years ago, but anti-e keep everything in check.
My goal is to be a Bigger, Badder, MF'er. (j/k....sorta)
Thanks!
(This is edit to original post, see revised cycle on response #9)
Weeks
1-15= 1000mg. Test E every week (one shot every 4 days)
1-15= 600mg. EQ cyp.
1-4= 100mg. anadrol per day
4-15= 100mg. Winstrol per day
9-15= 500mg. Tren E. per week
1-19= .25 letro ed
15-19= PCT (nolva, clomid)
Questions
1. How does this look?
2. Can I throw primo in the mix somewhere?
Thanks again!!Last edited by POSH; 07-18-2006 at 01:22 PM.
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07-18-2006, 05:04 AM #2
Originally Posted by POSH
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07-18-2006, 06:53 AM #3
How old are you? 15 weeks of orals is gonna kill your liver, winny should not be run more than 6 weeks IMHO
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07-18-2006, 07:11 AM #4
Concerning your stats i'd say your cycle is overkill...
some points to consider:
- why tren E for only 5 weeks?
- as sman already pointed out: why 15 weeks of 17aa?
- why start PCT immediatly after cycle termination? at least you are using long ersters-..
- why the high dosages in the first place? What dosages did you use in your previous cycles?
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07-18-2006, 12:34 PM #5
Originally Posted by juiceboxxx
But you are right, diet and training could always improve, thanks for the input and no offense taken.
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07-18-2006, 12:37 PM #6
Originally Posted by SMAN12B
Ok, so I will take winny out.
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07-18-2006, 12:42 PM #7
15 weeks of orals
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07-18-2006, 01:16 PM #8
Originally Posted by AleX-69
- I thought I put Tren E for 9-15 weeks as being 6 weeks. Maybe it should of put 8-15? Also, I have always used acetate in almost every cycle, so I have never experienced enanthate . Should I run it for longer? Lets put it this way, I have 4g. of tren e., how should I use it?
- Not going to do 15 weeks of orals anymore. Didn't really know the "rules" of winstrol . Could I run winny for the last 6 weeks? That would be about 5 weeks off in between orals.
- As far as PCT, I am still stuck in my last cycle of prop. I started pct immediately after, well 2 days after I stopped. Good point, I didn't really think about that when I was typing last night.
- And with the high doses, I generally for the first couple years had poorly planned cycles. I would generally run doses of 700-800 of test and various other compounds. I also stayed on for way, way too long. I made many mistakes. After gyno surgery, I realized that I wasn't invincable and started trying to do things smarter. Generally I have been doing cycles for 500-600 mg. per week test and a oral for the first half and tren for the second half. I noticed that I respond better to a dosage of at least 750mg. per week of test, so I figured I would try doing 1000.
I am not set on this or any cycle and I posted this to get as much feedback and critique as possible. Thank you very much to all that have responded, and please keep it coming.
Thanks!
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07-18-2006, 01:22 PM #9
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07-18-2006, 01:26 PM #10
That looks alot better bro....but tren e only six weeks????
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07-18-2006, 01:27 PM #11
I would run the winny from wk 12-pct and use tren a instead of e for wk 9-15
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07-18-2006, 01:28 PM #12
I'd post the diet rather than the cycle.. get that straight and then move forward with the anabolics.
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07-18-2006, 01:41 PM #13
Well that is a lot better now, i will try to make some adjustments. Keep in mind that these are only personal preferences.
1-15= 1000mg. Test E every week (one shot every 4 days)
1-15= 600mg. EQ cyp.
1-4= 100mg. anadrol per day
5-14= 400mg. Tren E. per week (exactly 4.000mg)
12-15=50mg winny ED (optional)
1-21= .25 letro ed
17-21= PCT (nolva, clomid)
And thanks for your detailed reply to the pervious posts bro.
RG
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07-18-2006, 01:47 PM #14
Nevertheless this is still a rather high dosed cycle. A good buddy - former german Heavy Weight champion - "only" uses 1.0g test + 600mg EQ and you are nowhere near his size.. So i would strongly suggest thinking about the dosages once more.. I don't see why you shouldn't make good gains on 750mg test +600 eq + some tren ...
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07-18-2006, 02:21 PM #15
Originally Posted by Bigmax
So what is a good dose and time period that you would suggest?
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07-18-2006, 02:22 PM #16
Originally Posted by briansauras
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07-18-2006, 02:25 PM #17
Originally Posted by IBdmfkr
I will post more detail of my diet in the diet forum, this is where I wanted to get help on my anabolic questions.
I would love to get some input on my diet over there, though. My diet is good, but it could always improve.
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07-18-2006, 02:29 PM #18
Originally Posted by AleX-69
So I will bump down the test to 750.
Do you have any advice about the tren e.?
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07-18-2006, 02:33 PM #19
Originally Posted by AleX-69
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07-18-2006, 02:34 PM #20
Originally Posted by POSH
If you have already tried Tren A and liked it, why use Tren E? Its eaiser to attain more stable blood plasma concentrations with a short ester also. Thus, less sides? Seems a little stupid to me.
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07-18-2006, 02:38 PM #21
don't know if those 250mg will make that big of a difference side effects wise and gains wise. But on the other hand if you know for yourself that you do respond well to 750mg+ then by all means run up to 1gramm. Everyone is diffrent.
Concering the tren dosage question. As you do want to run tren E it has to be run longer than acetate due to the ester. 8-10weeks is a must imo. So if you got 4gramms you do not have that many options (400mg for 10weeks /500 for 8weeks i`d prefer the 10week version though)..
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07-18-2006, 02:42 PM #22
No offense but you look higher than 12% BF even in your avatar and you claim to be 15lbs heavier and 12%? I don't think the problem lies in the cycle my friend.
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07-18-2006, 06:27 PM #23
Originally Posted by IBdmfkr
OK, but the thing is I dont have a problem. I am simply asking for advice on my steroid cycle. I never said I needed to be at a lower body fat or anything like that. I am not offended, and I appreciate your concern. 12% bf was a guess, it could be more. If you ask for advice and critique on your cycle, does that mean that you are a newb?....NO, so believe it or not I know a little about what I am doing here. My main probs in my proposed cycle was the tren E. and winstrol , compounds I have never used before. Actually winstrol never really interested me, but I have a bunch of them so I figured I might as well.
Point is don't come at me with some cocky stance "my friend". I was very receptive to your previous comments even though they were off topic. When I want to enlist in the Swan program and do a full diet and emotional makeover, I will let you know. Like I said I will work on diet in the diet forum. I never said my diet was perfect.
So I am not in shape enough to use certain compounds or certain doses because my diet isn't right? Whatever, no need to answer any more of my questions.
Thanks
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07-18-2006, 06:30 PM #24
Originally Posted by AleX-69
I will see about the test dosage. REally it isn't that big of deal to me...I mean 750 - 1000. I understand your advice though I should try to keep low doses.
Let me know about the tren.
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07-18-2006, 06:32 PM #25
Originally Posted by Swifto
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07-18-2006, 06:35 PM #26
Originally Posted by horse2006
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07-18-2006, 06:46 PM #27
tren E gives more sides
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07-18-2006, 06:49 PM #28
Originally Posted by POSH
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07-18-2006, 07:19 PM #29
Originally Posted by briansauras
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07-18-2006, 10:47 PM #30
Originally Posted by POSH
1-15 Test E 1000mg/wk shots twice/wk Mon/Thurs.
1-13 Eq 600mg/wk
1-10 Tren E 500mg/wk shot with TestE.
1-15 Letro .25-.5mg/day (play with it and see what works best..) personally I'd go with L-dex at .5mg/day
13-PCT Nolva 20mg/day (run 2wks past clomid)
17 - PCT Clomid 100mg/day three wks, 50mg/day 3wks.
My 2cents:
Goodluck to you Posh, i'll steer clear of your threads for now on, just lookin out for ya brother. I get a little sidetracked sometimes.. I forget some ppl don't want to bodybuild, but that's why I don't understand the heavy drug usage.
Peace.Last edited by IBdmfkr; 07-18-2006 at 10:55 PM.
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07-18-2006, 11:19 PM #31
Originally Posted by IBdmfkr
I am just taking care of my anabolics in this forum and leaving the diet to the diet forum. But since you are "unsubscribed" to this thread now, it doesn't really matter.
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07-19-2006, 01:00 AM #32
Get over yourself bro.. accept an appology and move on.
Your insecurity and defensiveness shows a lot about you.
You look great, I hope you do well in whatever you are trying to achieve.
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07-19-2006, 01:14 AM #33
I wont get into anything except the cycle.
Run Test E one week longer than EQ so PCT can start at the right time. Also, even if you do stop both at week 15 PCT would start two weeks later. So just keep that in mind as Im sure you alreayd know.
But you have it listed as
1-15 Enth
17+ PCT
That means Enth will end at the END of week 15, so the beginning of 16 and PCT starts the beginning of 17??? Not correct, should be 14 days. Maybe just a type but it seems everyone missed it. Also like I said undeclynate is a longer ester than enanthate and PCT would start for it after 21 days, so run Test to week 16 and start PCT 14 days after.
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07-19-2006, 01:20 AM #34
had to get in here once more..
tren e has more sides than tren a due to systemic build up. Just like test e gives more sides than test prop. Dosagewise i would use a little more than test a p week to make up for the longer ester. So if u used 100mg tren A EOD b4 you should now use 400mg Tren E /week.. That is my take on this topic.
+ i want to add that BD only tried to help out in the first place. He has always been very helpful to many board members..Maybe his seccond response came across a lil harsh, but he apologized even though it was not necassary.. Maybe you should do the same
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07-19-2006, 01:22 AM #35
Originally Posted by C_Bino
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07-19-2006, 01:48 AM #36
Originally Posted by IBdmfkr
And gosh darn it you look great too!
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07-19-2006, 01:50 AM #37
Originally Posted by AleX-69
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07-19-2006, 01:51 AM #38
Originally Posted by C_Bino
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