Testosterone Cycle

[tard_zone]

For my first ever cycle, being an unexperienced AAS user, would a testosterone only cycle be smart? I was thinking on doing Testosterone Enanthate at 400-500 mg/week.

-Would 400-500 mg/week produce decent results
-How bad would acne get, because I've had quite a few pimples on my forehead during previous years
-I've naturally had gyno and had it removed, so with a good aromatase blocker/anti-estrogen, what are the odds of it returning. Would lower doses of test. decrease the chance.
-What is recommended for PCT

I'm currently over 18 years old, but doing my planning i'm hoping by 19-20 i'll be starting my cycle. The first cycle I have planned is a very simple one, simply because I just want to see how I react. I know it is not recommended for people under 21 to do AAS due to stunted growth. But I highly doubt I will grow much more

[cfiler]

250-500mgs is best for a first cycle. I like lower dosed cycles, so for me I'd use 250mgs. Find out how my body reacts to that, then slowly build larger cycles.

Like you said it's best to start a cycle after 21. Your natural test levels are at their peaks in the next few years. Take advantage of it, and train naturally. There is no point rushing ahead, and starting early.

Spend the next few years perfecting your diet, workout ruitine, and research of aas. That way, when you are old enough to run a cycle, you will have a great base, diet, and workout ruitine. Plus you will have all this knowledge on anabolic /androgenic compounds prepared for that cycle.

[tard_zone]

how about the acne, gyno, and PCT

[PROTEINSHAKE]

everyone responds differently to AAS in regards to acne,gyno etc...you just have to find out for yourself how you react. IMO...learn,plan,train & wait to do ANY AAS for at least 3 years...you are way too young & can permenantly damage your HPTA...no need to rush...you have plenty of natty test & hormones to get great gains until you are really ready.

[got test?]

About the acne..
I used to get it pretty bad after cycling. Even when using PCT.
I recently starting taking HCG for PCT and NO acne what so ever. You are pretty young buddy, I think I was about 21 when I hit up my first cycle.Eat like a horse. i hate seeing inexperienced ppl use gear and eat junk food. Keep the protein wayyy up along with your carbs.
Like said above. With test E, you want to do 1 shot per week to 1 shot per 3 days depending on how much you have. try to do it for 8-10 wks and since your prone to gyno, keep some stuff onhand. You might want to try some letro while your on cycle.
All I can say for now is READ READ READ, and dont take the shit just to workout, then stop working out when your done with it. I see that all the time as well.

[GOT14U]

Exactly what he said.....Thats all i do is read read read....

[STEROIDZZ]

I woudlnt worry about the acne too much but gyno yes.. i would always have a anti - e whil eon cycle just in case ( especially being your 1st cycle) youd ont know what could happen.. so i suggest arimidex while on cycle. and being your 1st cycle a dose of 300 to 500 you would see great gains.. some even do 250,,. as far as PCT i recommend nolva, clomid.. nolva at 20mg ed and clomid at 100mg ed ,, and since its eth you would start your PCT 14 days after last injection.. if you switch to cyp its 18days

[tard_zone]

but since I've had gyno naturally without the use of steroids , and had it surgically removed. Would this mean I have a greater chance of it returning? I still have a little left from the operation, but very minimal and hard too see. Would steriods make existing gyno worse? I only have it on my right side chest though. I know most anti-e's and aromatase blocker just prevent estrogen from being binding. But is there something out there, that when you have gyno you can take to reverse side effects? Or is it more like if you notice something, take actions quick because it wont be getting any better, just worse. Like i said, I am still waiting to do my cycle, I'm reading as much as possible, but I gotta ask questions too. thanks

Also for a first cycle can I have more compounds then just test e? like can i add d-bol or deca at small doses

[Ih8urdsm]

my acne clears up while on cycle...i guess because my test levels are stable...then it gets a lot worse during pct (never tried HCG like suggested though)

My acne is worse on NO or CreATine supplements then when on cycle

[DSM4Life]

About the acne..
I used to get it pretty bad after cycling. Even when using PCT.
I recently starting taking HCG for PCT and NO acne what so ever. You are pretty young buddy, I think I was about 21 when I hit up my first cycle.Eat like a horse. i hate seeing inexperienced ppl use gear and eat junk food. Keep the protein wayyy up along with your carbs.
Like said above. With test E, you want to do 1 shot per week to 1 shot per 3 days depending on how much you have. try to do it for 8-10 wks and since your prone to gyno, keep some stuff onhand. You might want to try some letro while your on cycle.
All I can say for now is READ READ READ, and dont take the shit just to workout, then stop working out when your done with it. I see that all the time as well.

You want to inject x2 a week. Split whatever amount up in two shots each 3.5 days apart. Ex Mon morning Thur night

[FLBMWMech]

but since I've had gyno naturally without the use of steroids , and had it surgically removed. Would this mean I have a greater chance of it returning? I still have a little left from the operation, but very minimal and hard too see. Would steriods make existing gyno worse? I only have it on my right side chest though. I know most anti-e's and aromatase blocker just prevent estrogen from being binding. But is there something out there, that when you have gyno you can take to reverse side effects? Or is it more like if you notice something, take actions quick because it wont be getting any better, just worse. Like i said, I am still waiting to do my cycle, I'm reading as much as possible, but I gotta ask questions too. thanks

Also for a first cycle can I have more compounds then just test e? like can i add d-bol or deca at small doses

If they removed the gland when they cut out your gyno, then the chances of getting it again are slim... although I'd most definitely run an Anti-estrogen... like Nolvadex , Letrozole , or Arimidex . 400-500 mg of Test Cyp or Test Enanth would be a great 1st cycle. Very mild, and you'll grow alot... just make sure you have a g/f.. because you're going to want to **** like 8x a day

Ohh-- and If at all possible.. wait till you're 21.. really

[mkrulic]

I think 23 is the min. age. something to do w/ growth plates

[usualsuspect]

Running a Test-only cycle for your first time is smart. Starting AAS before you turn 25 yrs old is NOT. With proper diet, rest, and training you honestly don't need it until your natural test levels begin to drop. Any healthy male in his early twenties should not have to worry about inadequate test levels.

[tard_zone]

you honestly don't need it until your natural test levels begin to drop. Any healthy male in his early twenties should not have to worry about inadequate test levels.

although I am going to wait till im around 21-22; correct me if im wrong, but isn't the point of using AAS to increase your testosterone to levels that your body cannot. Because you stated it should be used when natural test levels begin to drop. To my understanding, this seems more like maintaining a constant testosterone level. I thought the way you make gains with aas, is due to the increased test levels(above normal). But if your simply maintaining a constant level, you will be making gains the same when your 30 to as when you were 19.

Also, why is it not reccommended that a first cycle for a person consist of one compound. Just to see how one's body reacts? If a first cycle is stacked but with low doses, would that not be very similar to starting off small

[neverenuff21]

Train hard, read, eat, and give yurself a 500mg a week, 23rd birthday gift.
Soakup all the info you can while your "preparing." That way you can make an educated decision on wether aas is right for you.

[usualsuspect]

My belief is your bettering off waiting until your at least 25 yrs old when your body is completing done growing and you know exactly what you want.

The problem is that test shuts down the production of LH (leutinizing hormone) that controls the endogenous production of natural test. Use more test and your body makes less of it.

The thing is that most ppl who run cycles are appearance conscious males, not athletes or bodybuilders. Basically it is the male equivalent of female plastic surgery. Neither work in the long run. Those botox injections don't last and they promote wrinkles in other areas of the face as compensation for the tension in the skin of the face.

I'm not saying AAS should be competely off-limits here...just suggesting to think about saving the juice for when you're body really needs it and in the meantime take "neverenuff21" advice to elicit solid, consistent gains. With the current information on diet and training available today, most people really don't need aas in order to turn their physique up a notch or two.

JMO. Take it for what its worth.

good luck.

[tard_zone]

what are all the health risks when using steroids under the age of 21? What is it about being 21 that is usually considered safe.

[mkrulic]

what are all the health risks when using steroids under the age of 21? What is it about being 21 that is usually considered safe.

What is the Right Age to Start Using Steroids ?

By: Brandon Walsh
This article is being published in hopes of reaching some of the younger people, involved in our great sport of body building, reach their goals without making the great mistake of using steroids too early in their long lives. The problem with this is that most young bodybuilders (BBs) cannot grasp the concept of the future and how long the road ahead really is even with the use of steroids. How do you convince a 14 year old that it will take years before he can look like the Pro BB's in the magazines, and that he may never look like that even with all the drugs available in the world. Well that is what I hope to accomplish within this article.

At what age should you be, before you consider using steroids? This question is not as easily answered as you may think it is. You cannot randomly just pick an age and say that this is the point at which you can now start to consider using steroids.

Between the ages of 12 and 26 a male's hormone levels are on a steady rise until the age of 26. This is when these levels slowly start to decline until they are almost nonexistent by the ripe old age of 40.

When puberty starts in males at the age of 12 there is a huge flux in hormonal patterns in the body, which cause the growth of male characteristics, (deepening of the voice, growth of body hair, growth in height, etc.). These hormone levels increase by themselves so much that they can be compared to that of a mild steroid cycle. Therefore trying to add to what the body is doing on its own by adding in exogenous (outside) Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) is very counter productive.

Whenever any extra amount of AAS is added to the body, the body recognizes this extra level through a feedback loop in the human body known as the Hypothalamus. Once the Hypothalamus recognizes the increase in hormones which happens usually between 14 and 21 days, the body will shut off its own production of hormones until these levels decrease, along with increasing hormones to decrease these extra levels in the body (cortisone, estrogen). Cortisone and " href="http://anabolicreview-research.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=42"Estrogen are 2 hormones in the body that BBs do not need any extra. The easiest way to try to explain this without getting to complicated, is that the more AAS you put in your body, the more your body will try to lower those levels. When this happens BBs get all the side effects that are normally associated with AAS use, gynecomastia (growth of fatty tissue underneath the breasts in males), hair loss, kidney damage, liver damage, and high blood pressure, just to name a few).

Before you consider the use of AAS you should have already reached your genetic potential. What is your genetic potential? To figure this out you should first look at the weight, height and build of other members in your family. Is this exact, no, but it is somewhere to start. If every male on both sides of your family is approximately 5'7" and weighs between 150lbs and 170lbs and they are all " href="http://www.anabolicreview-research.com/shop/product_info.php?products_id=109"bald by the age of 25, then it would be a good guess that you will also fall somewhere in those ranges by the time you stop growing. Now with working out and eating correctly for 4 years lets say, you would be able to put on 15 or more pounds of muscle tissue (that would mean you now weigh 165-185 lbs.). This is what your genetic potential would be. Now if you started to use steroids at that point, 165-185 lbs you may be able to put on another 15-20 lbs (180-200lbs). If you had started using when you were 125 lbs., and gained 25lbs through the use of steroids, you would still be well short of what you could have gotten naturally (150lbs as compared to 180-200lbs), and now it will be much harder to try to gain another 30-40lbs.

So for a starting point lets say that you need to be at least 18 years of age before you consider using steroids. Now that we have a starting point, lets look at a few other factors that should be considered. Steroids DO NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM makes up for a good diet and workout program. Most people who use AAS feel that this is the time where they can be a little more relaxed in their workouts and diet. Actually this is when they should be even more strict. So before you can think of using at the age of 18, you will need 3 more solid years of good training and eating habits. Minor changes in diet and workouts can result in great gains in mass and muscle as well as strength.

No matter how much assistance you get from AAS, without proper nutrition and workouts you will be lucky to have any gains at all, let alone keep them after the cycle is over. The goal of using any substance, legal or not should be that after you stop using it you don't loose all of that which you have fought to get. What would be the point of spending all that money (steroids are not free) to gain that 30lbs when you will loose it after the cycle is over anyway?

So the better question to ask instead of when can I take steroids, should be, what can I do to get all that I can out of my body without needing steroids?. In order to calculate my progress, I need to talk with my family and doctors, before I try to make a choice like that.

We will start with the age range of 14-16; this is when your hormones are raging. Your body is in full swing of making the best steroids that you can ever get, and it does all this without you even needing to do a single thing. At this point you should start with a solid exercise plan and a basic supplement plan in addition to the regular food that you need to be eating on a regular basis.

For workouts focus on the basic compound movements (Bench Press, Squats, Deadlifts, Barbell Curls, etc.) Working out 4 days a week with at least 8 hours of sleep a night is a great start. Add to that the extra protein that you should be taking and you will definitely start seeing a difference in your body. As for supplements, at this point all I would suggest is a good Meal Replacement Shake, multi-vitamin and creatine. Any shake will work, just add 2 shakes a day to the 3 solid meals that you should already be eating. Creatine has more benefits then I could start to explain in this article, but what I can say is that it will help your strength, muscle, speed, and recovery without any negative side effects.

By the age of 16-18 you will have had most of your growth spurts and you will be ready to change a few more things in your overall plan. You workouts can become a little more specialized as you start using different exercises. As for your nutrition program, all that I would think of adding now would be something such as extra glutamine before bed and maybe a ZMA supplement. You still don?t want to take anything that would alter what your body is doing on its own, so using ZMA and glutamine is just what you need.

Somewhere between 18 and 21 you should be just about done growing, so what should you do differently now? Add more protein! You should be getting at the very least, your body weight in grams of protein per day! And that?s at the very least! By now you will have been working out consistently for quite a while and should know your body very well. What will work and what won?t work should be old news. There isn?t really anything new to add to what is already a great program, other than Tribulus and maybe a pre-workout supplement such as Ultimate Orange. After this point, you can start to consider the use of steroids. What about them? Are they as terrible as everyone seems to think they are? As long as they are used correctly, I don?t think so. When considering their use, I feel that orals should be used as late as possible. These are most harmful on the body and therefore should not be used for a very long time.

Another thing to consider, other than the side effects I have already spoken of, is your sex drive. Some AAS will make your sex drive almost nonexistent and will have a big effect on your sperm count. These drugs in particular should try to be avoided. That leaves mild anabolics. Although they are the safest to use, they are expensive, illegal, and require the use of a needle. Which most first time users do not want to use.

I told you that this is not something that should be passed off very easily; you shouldn?t have to make the mistakes that most of us make by using steroids to early in your life. If used correctly, I think they are fine, but look at what it takes in order to use them correctly. Have you been working out for 5 years straight without more the 2 weeks off every 6 weeks? Do you eat every 2-3 hours, 6 times a day without missing a meal? Do you get 8 hours of sleep every night? This is something that can have a huge effect on your body for the rest of your life, so don?t make that choice in 10 minutes. Good luck and keep growing.

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[SVTMuscle*]

About the acne..
I used to get it pretty bad after cycling. Even when using PCT.
I recently starting taking HCG for PCT and NO acne what so ever. You are pretty young buddy, I think I was about 21 when I hit up my first cycle.Eat like a horse. i hate seeing inexperienced ppl use gear and eat junk food. Keep the protein wayyy up along with your carbs.
Like said above. With test E, you want to do 1 shot per week to 1 shot per 3 days depending on how much you have. try to do it for 8-10 wks and since your prone to gyno, keep some stuff onhand. You might want to try some letro while your on cycle.
All I can say for now is READ READ READ, and dont take the shit just to workout, then stop working out when your done with it. I see that all the time as well.

So you would say that using HCG oppose to Clomid would be better in preventing Acne?

[guest589745]

For my first ever cycle, being an unexperienced AAS user, would a testosterone only cycle be smart? I was thinking on doing Testosterone Enanthate at 400-500 mg/week.

The reason why I would do that cycle for my first is to simply see what happens. After you establish what results/side effects you get from only this, you can better estimate what your next cycle should be.

-Would 400-500 mg/week produce decent results.

I'm sure it has in many people but this is really depending on too many variable factors such as your specific diet, body, training regimen etc. From my own personal expereince, test only was a safe first cycle but yielded poor results although my diet was "good" and training was consistant and hard.

-How bad would acne get, because I've had quite a few pimples on my forehead during previous years.

Sounds like you are predisposed to acne. In this case I would bet it will get worse after or during cycle but again, I cannot tell you for sure. Hel, it could get BETTER after one.

-I've naturally had gyno and had it removed, so with a good aromatase blocker/anti-estrogen, what are the odds of it returning. Would lower doses of test. decrease the chance..

If you have had the actual gland removed, there is very little chance if any, that it will return. 10mg nolva ed is fine for test only IMO.

-What is recommended for PCT.

There are many dfferent ways to go abotu this so I suggest reading up in the PCT forum and just trying what you want to, take notes and see what works best for you.

I'm currently over 18 years old, but doing my planning i'm hoping by 19-20 i'll be starting my cycle. The first cycle I have planned is a very simple one, simply because I just want to see how I react. I know it is not recommended for people under 21 to do AAS due to stunted growth. But I highly doubt I will grow much more

Well I would say that is borderline too young but if you are set on doing it and are willing to take the risks involved then at least try to do it as safe as possible. I would highly suggest getting bloodwork done BEFORE cycle, DURING the cycle and after PCT.

Be safe.

[tard_zone]

The reason why I would do that cycle for my first is to simply see what happens. After you establish what results/side effects you get from only this, you can better estimate what your next cycle should be.

First off I'd like to thank you, skullsmasher, for answering all my questions. For a first cycle could I not do a test e./deca combination? Also for the bloodwork that will have to be done before, during, and after my cycle; should I inform the doctor what im doing? Because I'm aware it's illegal. Would I say i want to see my current test levels and liver values