Winny Oral vs Inject Doses

**Swifto** · 10-12-2006, 10:14 AM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

I dont even see why this thread has went on this long.

Fist off for all you guys that think winny is miled your wrong. Winny is a very harsh compound.

There are meany reasons why winny dose is different from injectable to oral. Most people do not wont to run as high of a does with oral. this is because it will and dose pass throw the live 2x and is harder on the live.

Why is winny is injectable more potent is because or the nitrogen retention. You you do not have the brake down of the compound in the digestive system.

So winstrol is more toxic administered orally as it goes through more "passes"?

**guest589745** · 10-12-2006, 10:19 AM

That confused me too. I think it would have to be mroe toxic when administered orally though in comparison to intramuscularly.

***G-1000*** · 10-12-2006, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

So winstrol is more toxic administered orally as it goes through more "passes"?

Injectable bad

Oral worse.

**Swifto** · 10-12-2006, 10:33 AM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

Injectable bad

Oral worse.

Thanks.

Guess AR's article has a typo then?

***G-1000*** · 10-12-2006, 10:35 AM

Keep in mind that is at = doseage.

***G-1000*** · 10-12-2006, 10:38 AM

Is the next ? going to be. If i drink winny is it worse then if i take a tab.

What is better a tab or a cap.

Why is a 10mg tab so much smaller then 10mg cap. Dose that mean the cap has more.

***Narkissos*** · 10-12-2006, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

There are meany reasons why winny dose is different from injectable to oral. Most people do not wont to run as high of a does with oral. this is because it will and dose pass throw the live 2x and is harder on the live.

This is wrong.

Review the threads Pinnacle and BajanBastard posted with regard to oral dosing vs the injectable equivalent.

***G-1000*** · 10-12-2006, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by Narkissos

This is wrong.

Review the threads Pinnacle and BajanBastard posted with regard to oral dosing vs the injectable equivalent.

I find that not to be true. I would like to see blood test. when i was on injct my liver values were much lower than when i was on oral.

***G-1000*** · 10-12-2006, 11:05 AM

Any one can wright an article and clame any thing they wish. This dose not mean thet it's 100% true. Most steroid article are theory with very little labe test research. And even when you do have labe research the is little humen tested on it. The most labe researched compompond is test and they still dont knew all the effects of it.

***Narkissos*** · 10-12-2006, 11:06 AM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

I find that not to be true. I would like to see blood test. when i was on injct my liver values were much lower than when i was on oral.

This thread isn't about liver values.. of course liver enzyme values will be lower...

That's not the determining factor.

This thread is about serum values of the compound...

Both you and the original poster had the opening statement backward... or the rationale at least.

Less injectable is used..simply because with a dose of injectable v.s. an equivalent dose of oral... The serum value (circulatory value) will be higher with the injected... Higher than the serum value post-oral-ingestion

re: http://forums.steroid.com/showpost.p...41&postcount=7

Narkissos

**Swifto** · 10-12-2006, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by Narkissos

This is wrong.

Review the threads Pinnacle and BajanBastard posted with regard to oral dosing vs the injectable equivalent.

Nark, Do you think injectable Winstrol is less toxic as it avoids this "first pass".

And do you think AR made a typo in the atricle?

***G-1000*** · 10-12-2006, 11:12 AM

That is what i said.

But if you up the dose of oral to = the same effect of the injec you going to incress the sides.

***Narkissos*** · 10-12-2006, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

Nark, Do you think injectable Winstrol is less toxic as it avoids this "first pass".

And do you think AR made a typo in the atricle?

Personally i think toxicity is over-rated.

That being said, the toxicity of the compound does not change.. as the compound itself does not change.

Maybe ..yes the interaction is reduced/eliminated on the first pass due to it not being orally administered..

However, the circulatory activity of the compound is the same... Providing that the does administered injectably is equal to that administered orally, the same amount of compound will at some point have to be metabolised by the liver

Thus i'd hypothesize that the cumulative 'toxicity' is the same

Think about it.

Narkissos

**Swifto** · 10-12-2006, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Narkissos

Personally i think toxicity is over-rated.

That being said, the toxicity of the compound does not change.. as the compound itself does not change.

Maybe ..yes the interaction is reduced/eliminated on the first pass due to it not being orally administered..

However, the circulatory activity of the compound is the same... Providing that the does administered injectably is equal to that administered orally, the same amount of compound will at some point have to be metabolised by the liver

Thus i'd hypothesize that the cumulative 'toxicity' is the same

Think about it.

Narkissos

I have really been thinking about it.

So your saying the Winstrol metabolized in skeletal muscle, will also be metabolized through the liver?

***Narkissos*** · 10-12-2006, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

That is what i said.

But if you up the dose of oral to = the same effect of the injec you going to incress the sides.

The thread starter's question was: "I was wondering why people take much smaller doses of winny when its a tab then when its ijectable."

So you were answering the wrong question...because in all the cycles i've seen the tab dosage was higher...

For the reasons stated above.

***Narkissos*** · 10-12-2006, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I have really been thinking about it.

So your saying the Winstrol metabolized in skeletal muscle, will also be metabolized through the liver?

You're confusing assimilation with metabolism.

The former is exclusive...

***G-1000*** · 10-12-2006, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Narkissos

The thread starter's question was: "I was wondering why people take much smaller doses of winny when its a tab then when its ijectable."

So you were answering the wrong question...because in all the cycles i've seen the tab dosage was higher...

For the reasons stated above.

O ok i missed that part.

I thought you were just fuking with me.

**Swifto** · 10-12-2006, 11:27 AM

Ok. Thanks Nark.

***Narkissos*** · 10-12-2006, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by gsxxr

O ok i missed that part.

I thought you were just fuking with me.

Me?

I'd never do that.

My Grandma said don't fuk with midgets

j/k

Originally Posted by Swifto

Ok. Thanks Nark.

np buddy.

Don't take my word for it tho...

Bumping this thread for someone smarter than myself

AR? BajanBastard? Marcus? guys where you at?

Nark

**Swifto** · 10-12-2006, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by Narkissos

Me?

I'd never do that.

My Grandma said don't fuk with midgets

j/k

np buddy.

Don't take my word for it tho...

Bumping this thread for someone smarter than myself

AR? BajanBastard? Marcus? guys where you at?

Nark

I understand how you put it.

I havent taken your word for it though...

Na...

Why would I want to do that..

Nark....

Pftt...

Whos he again?

***G-1000*** · 10-12-2006, 12:09 PM

Originally Posted by Narkissos

Me?

I'd never do that.

My Grandma said don't fuk with midgets

j/k

np buddy.

Don't take my word for it tho...

Bumping this thread for someone smarter than myself

AR? BajanBastard? Marcus? guys where you at?

Nark

**Property of Steroid.com** · 10-12-2006, 01:36 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

This is from Anthony Roberts talking about injectable vs. oral:

!

Where is this from?

**Swifto** · 10-12-2006, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts

Where is this from?

http://www.m es omorphosis.com/articles/anthony-roberts/winstrol -oral-versus-injectable.htm

You'll have to correct the spaces as I think it will get *** out.

**FranKieC** · 10-12-2006, 01:46 PM

Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts

Where is this from?

Uh oh lol

***Narkissos*** · 10-12-2006, 01:53 PM

uh oh indeed

**Andros** · 10-12-2006, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

I have really been thinking about it.

So your saying the Winstrol metabolized in skeletal muscle, will also be metabolized through the liver?

All Winny molecules will eventually be broken down in the liver where A) the CH3 will be removed to B) allow normal liver enzyme function to hydroxylate the compund to make it soluble enough for the kidneys to filter out.

All winny in = all winny out

**Swifto** · 10-12-2006, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by Andros

All Winny molecules will eventually be broken down in the liver where A) the CH3 will be removed to B) allow normal liver enzyme function to hydroxylate the compund to make it soluble enough for the kidneys to filter out.

All winny in = all winny out

So its toxicity doesnt change from the way its ingested, oral or injectable?

Anthony?

**Andros** · 10-12-2006, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Swifto

So its toxicity doesnt change from the way its ingested, oral or injectable?

Anthony?

Im not 100% sure on that, technically speaking I see no metabolic reason for it to be different.

The only way for it to be worse is if for some reason first pass via the hepatic vein was more damaging, but it shouldn't be, I mean the chemical reactions are the same ones.