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02-02-2007, 09:54 AM #201Senior Member
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Anthony have you created some sort of mental controled cut and paste . i swear to god you are the fastest i have ever seen its incredible ehe...
again point is give me proper conditions healthy subjects and fallow all of the rules. THEN get on CNN or MTV or whatever and talk about AAS. mabey if they told the truth to the youth of the world they would decide on their own to wait as its just a bad idea to start early. As 25-30+ as i said some of these drugs can do wonders for you with virtualy no side effects. but thats never reported.
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02-02-2007, 10:17 AM #202Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
I do have many claims but not for the open board conerning you, it wouldnt be right, take it to pm am not arguing with again, ive told you that before,
lol
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02-02-2007, 10:34 AM #203Writer
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Originally Posted by marcus300
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02-02-2007, 10:39 AM #204Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
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02-02-2007, 10:40 AM #205Writer
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Originally Posted by marcus300
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02-02-2007, 10:45 AM #206Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
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02-02-2007, 11:19 AM #207Writer
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Originally Posted by marcus300
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02-02-2007, 11:55 AM #208Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
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02-02-2007, 12:41 PM #209Writer
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Originally Posted by marcus300
Your refusal to back up virtually anything in any of your posts with something more than an anecdote or snide comment (or evern worse, by quoting the dead/fraud Paul Borreson) speaks volumes about your knowledge level.
No offence.
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02-02-2007, 12:52 PM #210Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
The reason why you have the hump with me and personally attack me with your stupid comments is because i did make you look daft, i had many PM's stating this, and i think ive got enough experience in my 19yrs of bodybuilding to know a few things,
if i told the truth about you my mate you know what would happen, ask the mods who went !!!
no offence, now i will ask again take your arguments to pm
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02-02-2007, 12:59 PM #211Writer
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Originally Posted by marcus300
Also, since you make claims in public, I ask you to defend them in public...I think that's only fair. In addition, I don't accept PMs here, or basically anywhere with this much traffic. If I did, I'd end up answering 25-50 a day, which is what I did when I was a mod here.
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02-02-2007, 01:10 PM #212Writer
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Update?
Can we get an update from Warrior? Where is he, strength and bodyweight wise, and how long has he been off now?
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02-02-2007, 01:11 PM #213Anabolic Member
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Marcus-In short cycles(aside from the AAS), do you only ramp up the dosages of GH?
Or do you like to use some of the new peptides like IGF and MGF aswell?
The concept of "hyperplasmia"(creating new muscle cells) is very intresting, with the synergisical effect with AAS combined with peptides. Especially in short heavy cycles...
Gh is alot more expensive to run constantly than IGF is...
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02-02-2007, 01:20 PM #214Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
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02-02-2007, 01:56 PM #215Originally Posted by vitor
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02-02-2007, 02:32 PM #216
I just finished a short cycle not long ago and was into my 3rd week of PCT and had actually picked up a small bit of strength during that time off. I did drop 10 lbs, but Im priming again and doing low carbs. I lost about 3/4 inch off my waist during those 3 weeks too. So id say thats pretty good so far, dont think ive lost much muscle at all considering im actually a bit stronger at 240 lbs than when I was 250 at end of cycle.
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02-02-2007, 03:46 PM #217Originally Posted by Maldorf
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02-02-2007, 03:51 PM #218Originally Posted by marcus300
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02-02-2007, 03:55 PM #219Originally Posted by Maldorf
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02-02-2007, 04:01 PM #220Originally Posted by marcus300
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02-02-2007, 04:03 PM #221Originally Posted by Maldorf
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02-02-2007, 04:06 PM #222Originally Posted by marcus300
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02-04-2007, 04:32 AM #223Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
Last week I dropped down to 235 - and too me, I look like I am at about the same bodyfat I was at when I initiated the short cycle - or leaner. After carb loading I am back up to 244. The before picture for the cycle was at a depleted 220... so right now, since I am hitting 235 depleted... that equates an additional 15 pounds.
So - have I carved all fat? My strength numbers are nearly identicle to what they were at 250+ pounds. I am significantly stronger when comparing them to my 220-pound condition...
For example - the flat bench press (no spot, no forced reps) during my power training days following a carb load with bodyweights:
- Pre-cycle @ 230 lbs, 27 Oct I did 365 for 5 reps and 5 sets;
- Post cycle, 23 Dec @ 250 lbs, I did 415 for 4 reps and 5 sets;
- Several weeks post cycle, 3 Feb @ 244 lbs, 405 for 4 reps and 5 sets.
So what can I conclude? I am bigger, getting leaner and maintaining strength/muscle quite well. Was a month long enough to produce anything significant? For me - yes. Was it is easy to come off? For me, deffinitly. Are the gains solid? For me... yes. Will I do this again? Soon...
I think after I finish this CKD fat loss program for a few more weeks - aka, priming period - I will slam myself with another short/heavy cycle again... hopefully bagging another 15 pounds and a stronger output...
I'll try and get some new pics for comparison reasons this week...
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02-04-2007, 07:24 AM #224Originally Posted by Warrior
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02-04-2007, 08:20 AM #225Originally Posted by Warrior
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02-15-2007, 04:04 PM #226
Here is a recent pic from today to add to the line up. So, to recap, the first pic is after priming for the cycle, the second is after the cycle was over and the third is about 2 months post cycle.
I plan on getting down to ~225 before doing this again. My strength is still staying up and so I figure I can bulk and cut my way to a hard 230 next time. I went from 220 to 250; then cut down to 225... next I plan to go from 225 to 255; then cut down to 230.
I am still sold on the idea that I gained roughly 12-15 pounds of muscle with this short/heavy run... my strength is the best it has ever been at this bodyweight. I will run my CKD cutter (aka, priming period) for a few more weeks - I lose at a rate of 1-2 pounds of fat per week and like I said, I want 225 before hitting another bulk using these tactics.
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02-16-2007, 02:35 AM #227
Looking good mate, looking thicker and denser definatly.
Good job on the cycle and log, maybe more people will come round to this smarter theory of cycling now. I might even make a log of my next SHIC...
T
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02-16-2007, 03:17 AM #228
Thanks for the update, amazing results
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02-16-2007, 03:35 AM #229Anabolic Member
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When I look at the pictures closely, I can se that warrior have higher bodyfat at 233 pounds(last pic) than he did at 220 pounds(at the prime). Some of those 13 pounds went to hes mid-section,
but he defently gained some good muscles, hes legs, shoulders and arms are defently thicker...
I would say(from looking at the pics) I gained roughly 6-7 pounds of LBM, which is a good gain in 4 weeks.
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02-16-2007, 04:07 AM #230Originally Posted by vitor
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02-16-2007, 06:43 AM #231Originally Posted by vitor
It will be interesting to see me deplete back down to 225. This week, I depleted down to 231.8 this week - after my carb load this weekend I'll probably be back up to 240 and then flirt with 230 next week... its pretty predictable each week... about 1-2 pounds of net fat loss per week...
Next time I take pics, I will be a hard 225 and ready for another run...
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02-16-2007, 06:53 AM #232Originally Posted by BIG_T_MC06
My trunk has always been thick - part of my German heritage I guess... I do need to focus on a wide shoulder girdle to try and off set it... as well as choosing abdominal movements that don't build it up but simply give it that nice abdominal wall look. bah...
Start a log, or simply take a lot of notes for a good recap - I think this is a good theory for us to share notes on so we can all keep benefiting from each other - that makes for some good discussion!
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02-16-2007, 07:10 AM #233Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Warrior
After you have primed back down to 225(probaly with the same BF% as your last prime) I think the improvments with be even more noticebal. And next prime after that you will probaly start your burst close to 230 pounds...And in a pretty short time frame to. Over a year improvements with this system can be quite dramatic, it defently works...
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02-16-2007, 03:31 PM #234Originally Posted by Anthony Roberts
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03-31-2007, 04:25 AM #235Originally Posted by vitor
I am hitting it again; this time a little more gear, less over-indulgance in carbs (overall calories kept high and protein-rich) and I am also using a high volume training split versus DC-style...
Last cycle - primed to 220 - bulked to 250 - then dialed in to 233...
I kept cutting and primed for 10 weeks this time:
I figure I will hit close to 260 during the meat of the cycle and then harden up to about 250... and then carb-cycle/prime down to around 235ish.
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03-31-2007, 04:54 AM #236
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