Tbol cycle

[y100adics]

I'll be starting a Tbol, Myogenx cycle on Monday the 26th ... running it for 8 weeks. This will be my first cycle. Just looking to lean out a little more and hopefully put on a little lean muscle. After the summer will hope to run a bigger cycle for bulking with test. Current stats are 34 years old on feb 24, 195lbs, 13%bf.

Here is what my cycle will look like.
1-6 Tbol 50mgs ed
7-8 Tbol 70mgs ed
1-8 Myogenx 3 caps ed
1-8 Clen 160 mcgs ed (benadryl method)
9-12 Nolva 50mg ed

My diet will be 300 gpro ed, 240g carb ed, 50g efa ed

Lift
Mon Chest, Tris and 45 minutes cardio
Tues Back, Bis and 45 minutes of cardio
Wed 60 minutes cardio
Thurs Shoulders, traps and 45 minutes of cardio
Fri Legs and 30 minutes cardio
Sat Off
Sun 60 minutes cardio

Supplements are multivitamin, Amp and no shotgun preworkout, BCAAS.

All comments and suggestions welcome!

[donniebrasco]

dont start the clen at 160, have you tried it before?

[y100adics]

yeah I've been running it for a couple weeks already

[y100adics]

One question is are my daily macros at the right numbers or should I up carbs for gains?

[y100adics]

Ok should I take this question to the diet forum?

[donniebrasco]

what about adding t3. if cutting is the main objective
i havent used it yet, but have heard it works well with the clen and should be used while on ass.

[y100adics]

From what I've read T3 doesn't distinguish between muscle and fat and you will lose muscle as well as fat

[GHO5T]

One question is are my daily macros at the right numbers or should I up carbs for gains?

IMO gains will be hard to come by, with all the cardio you will be doing.

[y100adics]

I can always cut back cardio some .... 30 minutes a day? Does that sound better? I wanna see some gains with this ... I'm steadily losing bodyfat with the routine I'm on now ... as far as diet and cardio .... I would be happy with not even really getting to 10% bf with this cycle as long as I had some gains.

[GHO5T]

I can always cut back cardio some .... 30 minutes a day? Does that sound better? I wanna see some gains with this ... I'm steadily losing bodyfat with the routine I'm on now ... as far as diet and cardio .... I would be happy with not even really getting to 10% bf with this cycle as long as I had some gains.

Yeah bro, i think 30 mins of cardio would be good, maybe not everyday, but 3 times a week (M,W,F).

IMO this way the cardio will help keep you lean while your trying to gain lbs.

[Manpretty]

imo tbol is garbage ....very weak......youd be better off with some M1T

[y100adics]

imo tbol is garbage ....very weak......youd be better off with some M1T

Have you run tbol manpretty? Can you state why you think it's garbage? ... just saying it's garbage doesn't really give much info .. thanks

[Johny-too-small]

Tbol is awesome if you get good shiz. Ive ran it twice with my cycles and it put some nice lbm on me. Youre cycle looks good, agreed with above comments that you should only be doing cardio 3 days/ew. Also, id bump up the mgs to 80, weeks 5-8. Happy farting your ass off!

[Angel of death]

Thats the exact post he left in the supplements sub-forum as well.... I dont think he took tbol at all

[Manpretty]

^^^no???
actually i ran tbol/winny before chirstmas.....i found that i gained the more from the winny than the tbol.....i know this because i the gains i did make were in the first few weeks of the cycle and tapered off when the tbol was suppose to "kick"

[Manpretty]

Thats the exact post he left in the supplements sub-forum as well.... I dont think he took tbol at all

remember guys just cause someones a senior/anabolic member dosent mean they know anything or arent a jerk!

take everything with a grain of salt

all you had to do bud was ask why i thought that.....its my opinion listen to it or dont no skin off my back

[Johny-too-small]

remember guys just cause someones a senior/anabolic member dosent mean they know anything or arent a jerk!

take everything with a grain of salt

all you had to do bud was ask why i thought that.....its my opinion listen to it or dont no skin off my back

[Johny-too-small]

imo tbol is garbage ....very weak......youd be better off with some M1T

Thats terrible advice. Why would he be better off with M1T???

[Manpretty]

Just looking to lean out a little more and hopefully put on a little lean muscle.

Johnny have you ever researched M1T?

hes looking for lean muscle along with a loss in BF and appearently does not want to inject what would you suggest thats better than M1T for the criteria of cycle?
along with that ive read and experienced appatite supperssion with M1T

my experience with tbol was not great....i did not gain the strength and or LBM's i was expecting from it

if your set on cycling tbol id say stack it with var to obtain the results your looking for ....i havent run it myself but hellmask (someone that i trust their opinion) has and recommends it frequently maybe pm him if you have questions.

[Manpretty]

Thats terrible advice. Why would he be better off with M1T???

BTW what was YOUR advice again??????

[donniebrasco]

he did ask whyt you thought t-bol was garbage

[Manpretty]

yes but he said my advice was terrible without rxplaining why or giving what he thought was good advice
that tells me he dosent have anyidea of what hes talking about

[Manpretty]

im finding that senior members= alot of posts ........not exactly alot of knowledge

[Johny-too-small]

Johnny have you ever researched M1T?

hes looking for lean muscle along with a loss in BF and appearently does not want to inject what would you suggest thats better than M1T for the criteria of cycle?
along with that ive read and experienced appatite supperssion with M1T

my experience with tbol was not great....i did not gain the strength and or LBM's i was expecting from it

if your set on cycling tbol id say stack it with var to obtain the results your looking for ....i havent run it myself but hellmask (someone that i trust their opinion) has and recommends it frequently maybe pm him if you have questions.

Yes I know what M1T is. And compared to Tbol or any other oral it is very toxic. Youre advice is terrible because for a newbie cycle, taking M1T over tbol is stupid. M1T has many sides, say good-bye to your liver if you dont have the right supports. Yes, its a good lbm builder, however, tbol is very gentle and its does not aromatize. Tbol is an excellent choice for a 1st cycle because the user can easily handle the sides and doesnt have to fear losing libido as tbol actually increases it and the user does not have to fear gyno because tbol does not aromatize. M1T should be taken much more seriously.

Why the hell would I PM someone get insight on your lousy opinion? I dont have any questions bro.

im finding that senior members= alot of posts ........not exactly alot of knowledge

Well I know this: tbol didnt work well for you because youre not doing things right. You dont know how to train and or eat and thats why you depend on stronger anabolics to get gains. Tbol's gains are subtle but dramatic mg per mg. If your diet and training is worth a damn you'll see very nice results w/o the risk of dealing with any major sides that you otherwise would with other aas'.

BTW what was YOUR advice again??????

Heres my advice: stay in the AR lounge were you belong.

[Manpretty]

Yes I know what M1T is. And compared to Tbol or any other oral it is very toxic. Youre advice is terrible because for a newbie cycle, taking M1T over tbol is stupid. M1T has many sides, say good-bye to your liver if you dont have the right supportsHAHAHAHAHAHAHA RIGHT HERE IS WHERE YOU PROVE YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ON THE TOPIC. Yes, its a good lbm builder, however, tbol is very gentle and its does not aromatizeNOR DOES M1T MORON. Tbol is an excellent choice for a 1st cycle because the user can easily handle the sides and doesnt have to fear losing libido as tbol actually increases it and the user does not have to fear gyno because tbol does not aromatizeAGAIN M1T DOES NOT CONVERT TO ESTROGEN and if run at proper dosing there are little to no side.....do some fing reseach before TRYING to Flame people. M1T should be taken much more seriously.

Why the hell would I PM someone get insight on your lousy opinion? I dont have any questions bro.TALKING TO THE POSTER



Well I know this: tbol didnt work well for you because youre a lazy slob. You dont know how to train and or eat and thats why you depend on stronger anabolics to get gains. Tbol's gains are subtle but dramatic mg per mg. If your diet and training is worth a damn you'll see very nice results w/o the risk of dealing with any major sides that you otherwise would with other aas'.
HOW DO YOU KNOW THIS????????? did i tell you this?????? every compound reacts differently for each person and i think i even said IMO if i remember correctly




Heres my advice: stay in the AR lounge were you belong.
i thinks its pretty clear here that your senior membership is worthless come back when you have some real advice for the poster im done with you flame me all you want youll get no responce

^^^^bolded

[Johny-too-small]

Nothing you just wrote has any weight to it. You havent proved anything. Did I say M1T does not convert? No. I was pointing out the great things about tbol for a newbie cycle. You cant tell me that M1T is even close to harmless. Furthur, you're calling me names and then accusing me of flaming you? Sounds like someone needs a nap.


I guess all I have to do is point out that you're an inch shorter than me and 35lbs less. My point proven.

[*Narkissos*]

Yes I know what M1T is. And compared to Tbol or any other oral it is very toxic.

Compared to tbol...yes

Youre advice is terrible because for a newbie cycle, taking M1T over tbol is stupid.

The advice is less than optimal.. but not 'terrible'.

Personally i don't like either compound...

M1T has many sides, say good-bye to your liver if you dont have the right supports.

...right.. cus the liver will drop out his ass without liver support..right?

Well I know this: tbol didnt work well for you because youre a lazy slob. You dont know how to train and or eat and thats why you depend on stronger anabolics to get gains.

*drum roll*

Because every compound works the same for every individual right? lol

Tbol's gains are subtle but dramatic mg per mg.

You know this is a contradiction right?

Heres my advice: stay in the AR lounge were you belong.

I think both of you guys should ease up on the flaming..in line with AR's policies.

That's what i think.

Narkissos

[*Narkissos*]

Here is what my cycle will look like.
1-6 Tbol 50mgs ed
7-8 Tbol 70mgs ed
1-8 Myogenx 3 caps ed
1-8 Clen 160 mcgs ed (benadryl method)
9-12 Nolva 50mg ed

Why increase the dose at week 7?

Why not run the same dose tru-out?

160 mcg of clen is a borderline ridiculous dose.

No flame.

I know some guys here use more...but why would you think it's necessary?

I don't personally.

My diet will be 300 gpro ed, 240g carb ed, 50g efa ed

The macro totals are pretty generic.

What did you calculate your RMR/BMR at?

Lift
Mon Chest, Tris and 45 minutes cardio
Tues Back, Bis and 45 minutes of cardio
Wed 60 minutes cardio
Thurs Shoulders, traps and 45 minutes of cardio
Fri Legs and 30 minutes cardio
Sat Off
Sun 60 minutes cardio

Looks pretty decent overall.

I'd start at a lower amount (frequency rather) of total cardio and increase as fat loss stagnates.

e.g.


Weeks 1-3:


Mon: Chest, Tris and 45 minutes cardio
Tues: Back, Bis and 45 minutes of cardio
Wed: Off
Thurs: Shoulders, traps and 45 minutes of cardio
Fri: Legs and 45 minutes cardio
Sat: Off
Sun: Off

Weeks 4-6:

Mon: Chest, Tris and 45 minutes cardio
Tues: Back, Bis and 45 minutes of cardio
Wed: Off
Thurs: Shoulders, traps and 45 minutes of cardio
Fri: Legs and 45 minutes cardio
Sat: 60 mins a.m. cario
Sun: Off

Weeks 7-8:

Mon: Chest, Tris and 45 minutes cardio
Tues: Back, Bis and 45 minutes of cardio
Wed: 60 mins a.m. Cardio
Thurs: Shoulders, traps and 45 minutes of cardio
Fri: Legs and 45 minutes cardio
Sat: 60 mins a.m. cario
Sun: Off

Weeks 9-12 [pct]:

Mon: Chest, Tris and 45 minutes cardio
Tues: Back, Bis and 45 minutes of cardio
Wed: Off
Thurs: Shoulders, traps and 45 minutes of cardio
Fri: Legs and 45 minutes cardio
Sat: Off
Sun: Off

Supplements are multivitamin, Amp and no shotgun preworkout, BCAAS.

Looks good.

-Nark

[*Narkissos*]

I'd start at a lower amount (frequency rather) of total cardio and increase as fat loss stagnates.

e.g.

Weeks 1-3:

Mon: Chest, Tris and 45 minutes cardio
Tues: Back, Bis and 45 minutes of cardio
Wed: Off
Thurs: Shoulders, traps and 45 minutes of cardio
Fri: Legs and 45 minutes cardio
Sat: Off
Sun: Off

Weeks 4-6:

Mon: Chest, Tris and 45 minutes cardio
Tues: Back, Bis and 45 minutes of cardio
Wed: Off
Thurs: Shoulders, traps and 45 minutes of cardio
Fri: Legs and 45 minutes cardio
Sat: 60 mins a.m. cario
Sun: Off

Weeks 7-8:

Mon: Chest, Tris and 45 minutes cardio
Tues: Back, Bis and 45 minutes of cardio
Wed: 60 mins a.m. Cardio
Thurs: Shoulders, traps and 45 minutes of cardio
Fri: Legs and 45 minutes cardio
Sat: 60 mins a.m. cario
Sun: Off

Weeks 9-12 [pct]:

Mon: Chest, Tris and 45 minutes cardio
Tues: Back, Bis and 45 minutes of cardio
Wed: Off
Thurs: Shoulders, traps and 45 minutes of cardio
Fri: Legs and 45 minutes cardio
Sat: Off
Sun: Off

Or.... since fat loss isn't your main goal... you could just stick with:

Mon: Chest, Tris and 45 minutes cardio
Tues: Back, Bis and 45 minutes of cardio
Wed: Off
Thurs: Shoulders, traps and 45 minutes of cardio
Fri: Legs and 45 minutes cardio
Sat: Off
Sun: Off

For the entire 12 weeks.

-Nark

[Johny-too-small]

Why increase the dose at week 7?

Why not run the same dose tru-out?

Because for many users the gas, headaches, bloody noses, can be hard to deal with a high mg dose. However, most of these sides subside by week three and the user can increase the dose without having the added sides. In addition, Ive found tbol to stop being very effective at around week 5 or 6 and upping the mgs can increase gains. BTW, thanks for the the lesson

[sanejim]

it seems to me that TBol is either a compound that you love, or you hate.

It worked great for me, I was very happy with my results. I ran TBol only for my first cycle 50mgPD, and strength and LBM went up significantly for me. Of course diet and training where both in check, but overall i am happy with this compound.

just my two cents.

[y100adics]

Thanks for all the comments and experiences .... Nark, thanks for breaking it down likethat for me bro ..... very much appreciated and very helpful .... actually I'm gonna keep the dose at 50mged throughout and see how I feel ... I was just going off what everyone said as far as upping the dose the last couple weeks cuz I'm inexperienced .... I'm gonna keep a log and see how things go ... thanks again!

[donniebrasco]

goodluck, im looking to do either a t-bol or anavar only cycle.

[spywizard]

Or.... since fat loss isn't your main goal... you could just stick with:

Mon: Chest, Tris and 45 minutes cardio
Tues: Back, Bis and 45 minutes of cardio
Wed: Off
Thurs: Shoulders, traps and 45 minutes of cardio
Fri: Legs and 45 minutes cardio
Sat: Off
Sun: Off

For the entire 12 weeks.

-Nark

This is pretty much my split that i follow .. however i can't do tri one day and then bi the next as the tri will be too full/sore to allow for the bi to be used as well..

just see what works for you..
1. back/bi
2.off
3. legs / Shoulders, traps
4. off
5. chest/tri
6. off
7. off

or something along those lines it is going to depend on how your body recovers..

I like tbol alot.. good luck

[y100adics]

goodluck, im looking to do either a t-bol or anavar only cycle.

Thanks man, hopefully my log will help you some!

[y100adics]

This is pretty much my split that i follow .. however i can't do tri one day and then bi the next as the tri will be too full/sore to allow for the bi to be used as well..

just see what works for you..
1. back/bi
2.off
3. legs / Shoulders, traps
4. off
5. chest/tri
6. off
7. off

or something along those lines it is going to depend on how your body recovers..

I like tbol alot.. good luck

Spywizard, thanks for all your help .... you gave me the base of info that helped me get started a few weeks ago .... thanks alot bro!

[deadliftin00]

imo tbol is garbage ....very weak......youd be better off with some M1T

hmm, let's see, COMPLETELY FALSE.

M1T? wtf?