New Steroid or What is??

[andros00919]

PGCL 500mcg , What's this stuff?? Where I can find info??

The only info I have is the ads info:

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""PGCL 500mcg amp $xxxxxx each
Need only .05 ml per shoot thats less then one tenth of one ml ! so one amp is 20 shots per amp...
Get a box of insulin needles open the amp put only 0.1 ml in each syringe so it makes 10 syringes cap /store as prejects,
and use 1 syringe every 8 hours so it cost nothing !
PGCL is synthetic form of PGF2 thus 20X stronger on per mg basis,
Note: PGCL not to be used for female as it causes severe pain in ovaries"
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What is PGCL and PGF2??

Thanks for any Info!!!




Please DON'T ASK ME FOR THIS, Only I need is info or profile of this stuff.

[Drummerboy]

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[perfectbeast2001]

forbodybuilders
August 31st, 2003, 06:54 AM
Disclaimer: Discussion of pharmaceutical agents below is presented for information only. Nothing here is meant to take the place of advice from a licensed health care practitioner. Consult a physician before taking any medication.Many readers enjoyed my previous article about prostaglandins as muscle builders. This short introduction to prostaglandins produced critics, controversies and queries. Prostaglandins, especially PGF2 are no wonder drugs. They will not make you a Mr. Olympia in a matter of days. They do not represent a substitute for training. Neither are they free of side-effects. Some are benign while others are more worrying. Besides, PGF2 is tricky to manipulate. So by no means do I pretend to have uncovered the ultimate anabolics. There is one fact though that cannot be denied: prostaglandins are very potent anabolic substances. It is true that thousands of champions were able to build their muscle mass without it, but we are living in a society in which the extra edge is always needed to more quickly achieve or exceed your goals. This is why I am going to discuss the pros and cons as well as the how-to of prostaglandins.
Among the most potent growth factors produced locally in the muscles are the prostaglandins. These quasi-hormones use fats as their raw materials. Several classes of prostaglandins exist. We will mainly focus on the most
potent one, namely the prostaglandin F2 alpha or PGF2 for short. If you apply PGF2 to a muscle cell, you are going to trigger a very strong anabolic response. PGF2 has been used by veterinarians for years not only to get animals pregnant but also to make them grow. A few daredevils figured out that if it was making animals more muscular, it would make
bodybuilders bigger too. This was a big leap of faith as many drugs produce wonderful effects in animals only to fail miserably in bodybuilders. Clenbuterol is a good example of this: ultra potent in animals, deceptive in
humans. Amazingly enough, this time it worked wonders.

WARNING:

What I am going to reveal is true for men ONLY. Women will not get any "benefit" from what I will describe below. Further, no women should EVER touch this drug which will induce a very severe pain in their ovaries. As
men do not have ovaries, this is something that will not happen to them. Ill side effect most probably will occour in males as well.

PGF2 and anabolism.

Many studies have demonstrated an anabolic effect of PGF2 in skeletal muscles of both humans and animals. Paradoxically, PGF2 usage is still reserved to a bodybuilding elite and no one is willing to
divulge the precious secret edge. One of the most remarkable effects of PGF2 is that it mediates the
major part of the anabolic effects of insulin . By using PGF2, you can use far less insulin and get a
far stronger muscle building effect.

PGF2 and weak bodyparts.

The cardinal rule of PGF2 is to inject as far away as possible from the intestine. You see, PGF2 induces a very strong contraction of the intestine and the bladder (both smooth muscles). The major candidate as a site of injection was the front shoulders. But by repeating injections in
the shoulders, bodybuilders soon ended up with grossly overdeveloped front delts. They looked like walking monkeys. The rest of their body was growing too, but not as fast as the muscles closest to the sites of
injections. What this means is that if one wants to develop a weak muscle, just inject PGF2 locally and watch
the muscle grow. We are talking about a real muscle growth and not an artificial swelling like Synthol or Esiclene would induce. Calves are a muscle of choice. In fact, even if your calves failed to grow no matter how much ******* and training you administered, PGF2 will solve your problem.
After a single cycle of PGF2, unresponsive calves start to respond to both training and *******s
even if they never did before.

The localized growth induced by PGF2 may appear magical, but there is a simple explanation. The
life cycle of the injected PGF2 is terribly short (minutes). Most of it will be destroyed in your lungs.
If you hit your right calf for example, this muscle will be exposed to a maximal concentration of
PGF2. As the prostaglandin rapidly leaks out of the calf and passes into the blood, it will quickly
reach the lungs where most of it will be destroyed. What is left of the PGF2 will be dispatched
evenly though your whole body. It means that the other muscles will be exposed to far less of the
anabolic effects of PGF2. So unless you want to make a weak point grow, you should rotate the
sites of injections frequently which as we will see is not a problem.

PGF2 is not to be confused with steroids .

You've probably realized by now that PGF2 produces growth in a radically different way from
*******s -- although I do not exclude that part of the anabolic actions of androgens are mediated by a
local release of PGF2. The way PGF2 should be used is therefore radically different from that of
androgens. ******* use is comparitively comfortable. You inject or swallow them once in a while and wait
for the growth to occur. This is not the case with PGF2. Their main drawback is precisely their
difficulty of administration. *******s once injected survive several days in your body. PGF2 will last
only several minutes though their stimulatory actions on anabolism will be far longer lasting
(hours). It means that frequent injections are compulsory for significant effect. Ideally this would be five times per day,30 minutes after meals. You will also notice that once you have injected PGF2, the muscle which received it gets sore almost immediately. If the muscle was already sore from training, that painful sensation may
become very intense. You definitely do not want to repeat injections at the very same location,
hence the necessity for rotation. By the same token, you will notice that you cannot inject in a
muscle and then train this muscle. PGF2 is algesic (a pain mediator). Therefore, the timing of
injections is key. You should wait for at least 2 to 3 days after you have trained a muscle to inject
it. Then you will have to wait for 24 hours before training this muscle. If your muscle is already
sore, It is advised not to use it as a site of injection as long as it hurts if it is to be used at all.

You will also learn that it is more comfortable to hit the outer part of the muscle than the inner part.
For example, it is less painful to hit the outer head of the triceps than the inner head that touches
your lats. Some bodyparts such as the biceps, the back, etc. are especially sensitive to the pain
sensation PGF2 will induce.

What about fat: PGF2 vs DNP ?

We are told that DNP is the strongest thermogenic (temperature elevating) drug available. I dispute
this statement. Inject PGF2, wait for ten minutes and you will sweat profusely. In fact, your body
temperature will rise so much that you may feel very cold while a witness will get scared as you
feel so hot. By elevating your body temperature, PGF2 will burn up your fat at an accelerated rate.
Furthermore, unlike muscle cells, fat cells do not like to be exposed to PGF2. As a result, they die.
Mark this well: unlike a classical diet which makes each fat cell shrink, PGF2 kills fat cells. With
PGF2, you can say goodbye to your excess adipose tissue.

What about stacking *******s with PGF2?

If PGF2 is so powerful, why not stack it along with *******s for maximal effect? It looks like a neat
idea until you try. PGF2 potentiates the effects of androgens on muscles most likely by increasing
androgen receptor level. *******s also increase the effects of PGF2 probably by increasing the
density of muscle PGF2 receptors. You will end up with a combination that is too powerful.

Within two or three days on PGF2, you will notice that your muscles get very tight. You cannot find
harder muscles than muscles from a PGF2 user. It looks and feels great until you try to train. Within
three to four reps even with an empty bar, your muscles will get so pumped that you will not be able
to move. In fact, your training poundage are likely to drop severely. I have witnessed someone going
from 3 reps at 500 pounds in the incline bench press, to failing at 6 reps at 130 after a week of
(serious) PGF2 administration plus *******s. Do not worry though, your muscles will grow and you
will be able to resume heavy training once PGF2 is stopped. This pumping effect is too exaggerated
if you take *******s along with PGF2. So it is best to use the prostaglandins to grow when you're off
the *******s.

Is PGF2 safe?

The answer is clearly no, but neither is the use of *******s, insulin, clenbuterol, etc. By the way,
PGF2 is absolutely invisible at any drug test. What kind of side effects to expect? The first ones -- if
we except the elevation of temperature -- are that it will empty your guts of whatever they contain.
So make sure you have unrestricted use of a bathroom. This is going to last around 20 minutes.
What you do not want is to inject PGF2 into a vein! Learn to do the aspiration test. PGF2 is to be
injected intramuscularly with an insulin needle if you are lean enough. This is going to hurt like hell
and for a very long time (up to an hour) if you inject into a vein. You also may feel as if you had
some kind of cold in your throat. It is due to the vasoconstricting effect PGF2 has in your lungs.
Vomiting is a reported side effect but I have never heard of it in men.

Dosages.

You should start with a pretty low dosage (a half milligram) and see what happens. From there,
build up VERY slowly. Then, the sky is the limit. You can inject what is normally needed for several
cows and survive but believe me, you do not want to go through this. Do not forget to keep the vials
refrigerated. If you are new to PGF2, for simplicity choose the natural form and not an analog. PGF2
analogs have several advantages over straight PGF2 in that they have a longer half life and less
side effects, but some of them have no anabolic properties while others are more potent than
straight PGF2. Do not take a chance on that.

To sum up, I would like to paraphrase what Dan Duchaine has said about ******* users...

PGF2 users: Healthy, who knows? Big and lean, yes!

Re: PGF2A + Esiclene + Winstrol



Prostaglandins

Among the most potent growth factors produced locally in the muscles are the prostaglandins. These quasi-hormones use fats as their raw materials. Several classes of prostaglandins exist. We will mainly focus on the most potent one, namely the prostaglandin F2 alpha or PGF2 for short. If you apply PGF2 to a muscle cell, you are going to trigger a very strong anabolic response. PGF2 has been used by veterinarians for years not only to get animals pregnant but also to make them grow. A few daredevils figured out that if it was making animals more muscular, it would make bodybuilders bigger too. This was a big leap of faith as many drugs produce wonderful effects in animals only to fail miserably in bodybuilders. Clenbuterol is a good example of this: ultra potent in animals, deceptive in humans. Amazingly enough, this time it worked wonders.

WARNING:

What I am going to reveal is true for men ONLY. Women will not get any benefit from what I will describe below. Further, no women should EVER touch this drug which will induce a very severe pain in their ovaries. As men do not have ovaries, this is something that will not happen to them.

PGF2 and anabolism.

Many studies have demonstrated an anabolic effect of PGF2 in skeletal muscles of both humans and animals. Paradoxically, PGF2 usage is still reserved to a bodybuilding elite and no one is willing to divulge the precious secret edge. One of the most remarkable effects of PGF2 is that it mediates the major part of the anabolic effects of insulin. By using PGF2, you can use far less insulin and get a far stronger muscle building effect.
PGF2 and weak bodyparts. The cardinal rule of PGF2 is to inject as far away as possible from the intestine. You see, PGF2 induces a very strong contraction of the intestine and the bladder (both smooth muscles). The major candidate as a site of injection was the front shoulders. But by repeating injections in the shoulders, bodybuilders soon ended up with grossly overdeveloped front delts. They looked like walking monkeys. The rest of their body was growing too, but not as fast as the muscles closest to the sites of injections. What this means is that if you want to develop a weak muscle, just inject PGF2 locally and watch the muscle grow. We are talking about a real muscle growth and not an artificial swelling like Synthol or Esiclene would induce. Calves are a muscle of choice. In fact, even if your calves failed to grow no matter how much steroid and training you administered, PGF2 will solve your problem. After a single cycle of PGF2, unresponsive calves start to respond to both training and steroids even if they never did before.The localized growth induced by PGF2 may appear magical, but there is a simple explanation. The life cycle of the injected PGF2 is terribly short (minutes). Most of it will be destroyed in your lungs. If you hit your right calf for example, this muscle will be exposed to a maximal concentration of PGF2. As the prostaglandin rapidly leaks out of the calf and passes into the blood, it will quickly reach the lungs where most of it will be destroyed. What is left of the PGF2 will be dispatched evenly though your whole body. It means that the other muscles will be exposed to far less of the anabolic effects of PGF2. So unless you want to make a weak point grow, you should rotate the sites of injections frequently which as we will see is not a problem.

PGF2 is not to be confused with steroids. You've probably realized by now that PGF2 produces growth in a radically different way from steroids -- although I do not exclude that part of the anabolic actions of androgens are mediated by a local release of PGF2. The way PGF2 should be used is therefore radically different from that of androgens. Steroid use is rather comfortable. You inject or swallow them once in a while and wait for the growth to occur. This is not the case with PGF2. Their main drawback is precisely their difficulty of administration. Steroids once injected survive several days in your body. PGF2 will last only several minutes though their stimulatory actions on anabolism will be far longer lasting (hours). It means that frequent injections are compulsory. Ideally this would be five times per day, 30 minutes after meals.
You will also notice that once you have injected PGF2, the muscle which received it gets sore almost immediately. If the muscle was already sore from training, that painful sensation may become very intense. You definitely do not want to repeat injections at the very same location, hence the necessity for rotation. By the same token, you will notice that you cannot inject in a muscle and then train this muscle. PGF2 is algesic (a pain mediator). Therefore, the timing of injections is key. You should wait for at least 2 to 3 days after you have trained a muscle to inject it. Then you will have to wait for 24 hours before training this muscle. If your muscle is already sore, I advise against using it as a site of injection as long as it hurts. You will also learn that it is more comfortable to hit the outer part of the muscle than the inner part. For example, it is less painful to hit the outer head of the triceps than the inner head that touches your lats. Some bodyparts such as the biceps, the back, etc. are especially sensitive to the pain sensation PGF2 will induce.

Is PGF2 safe?

The answer is clearly no, but neither is the use of steroids, insulin, clenbuterol, etc. By the way, PGF2 is absolutely invisible at any drug test. What kind of side effects to expect? The first ones -- if we except the elevation of temperature -- are that it will empty your guts of whatever they contain. So make sure you have unrestricted use of a bathroom. This is going to last around 20 minutes. What you do not want is to inject PGF2 into a vein! Learn to do the aspiration test. PGF2 is to be injected intramuscularly with an insulin needle if you are lean enough. This is going to hurt like hell and for a very long time (up to an hour) if you inject into a vein. You also may feel as if you had some kind of cold in your throat. It is due to the vasoconstricting effect PGF2 has in your lungs. Vomiting is a reported side effect but I have never heard of it in men.

Dosages.

The lowest possible "effective" dose should be used You should start with a low dosage no higher than (a half milligram) and see what happens. From there, build up VERY slowly. Then, the sky is the limit. You can inject what is normally needed for several cows and survive but believe me, you do not want to go through this and it is potentially deadly. Do not forget to keep the vials refrigerated. If you are new to PGF2, for simplicity choose the natural form and not an analog. PGF2 analogs have several advantages over straight PGF2 in that they have a longer half life and less side effects, but some of them have no anabolic properties while others are more potent than straight PGF2. Do not take a chance on that.

Disclaimer: Discussion of pharmaceutical agents below is presented for information only. Nothing here is meant to take the place of advice from a licensed health care practitioner. Consult a physician before taking any medication.
Many readers enjoyed my previous article about prostaglandins as muscle builders. This short introduction to prostaglandins produced critics, controversies and queries. Prostaglandins, especially PGF2 are no wonder drugs. They will not make you a Mr. Olympia in a matter of days. They do not represent a substitute for training. Neither are they free of side-effects. Some are benign while others are more worrying. Besides, PGF2 is tricky to manipulate. So by no means do I pretend to have uncovered the ultimate anabolics. There is one fact though that cannot be denied: prostaglandins are very potent anabolic substances. It is true that thousands of champions were able to build their muscle mass without it, but we are living in a society in which the extra edge is always needed to more quickly achieve or exceed your goals. This is why I am going to discuss the pros and cons as well as the how-to of prostaglandins.
Prostaglandins: a very important modulator of growth
Each of our muscle cells produces prostaglandins naturally and continuously. Each of our muscle cells contains prostaglandin receptors. A muscle failing to manufacture enough prostaglandins will rapidly waste away. Animal studies have shown that immunization against PGF2 impairs the muscle growth even though scientists were expecting it would boost anabolism. In humans, a reduction of muscle prostaglandin production is associated with wasting. The potent inhibitors of prostaglandin synthesis such as cortisol produce their wasting effects in great part by reducing the muscle production of prostaglandins, thus slowing protein synthesis rate.From a physiological point of view, prostaglandins are very important if not one of the ultimate growth mediators. All the problems arise from their mode of actions. The cells which need more prostaglandins manufacture them for their own consumption or for the nearby cells. Prostaglandins do not have to circulate like testosterone which is mostly an endocrine hormone. Once in the blood, prostaglandins are rapidly destroyed. Those major discrepancies mean that prostaglandins cannot be used in the same way as anabolic steroids .Once injected, steroids slowly pass into the blood. They will eventually find their ways to the muscles among other tissues. Steroid usage is therefore pretty simple: inject and wait. Because of both their very short life cycle and their very localized actions, prostaglandins are far harder to manipulate.
Fighting the side effects

PGF2 analogues

Just as testosterone has analogues such as nandrolone , so do prostaglandins. The analogues are an attempt to solve the problems caused by the original hormone or substance. Steroid molecules such as nandrolone or trenbolone were developed in the hope they would induce more favorable actions (anabolism) while producing less side effects (virilization) compared to testosterone. Researchers designed PGF2 analogues in order to address the three main problems inherent to PGF2. First: to increase its very short life cycle, second: to lessen the incidence of the numerous side effects associated with PGF2 usage, third: to ease prostaglandin usage by developing oral versions.
As with testosterone some analogues proved useless while others do have some interesting properties, at least in the test tube. I am not going to tell you which analogue is the best. The truth is that I don't know. I only have experience with the real thing. This may be disappointing but I am not going to lie just to look better.
Aspirin as an anti-prostaglandin
Aspirin or aspirin-like substances have the potential to reduce some of the side effects such as pain associated with PGF2 administration. However I tend to consider that the use of aspirin along with PGF2 weakens the overall anabolic effects without effectively fighting the side effects. This is true for the aspirin you can find in medication as well as the aspirin hidden in some ephedrine-caffeine stacks. I suggest that you avoid both of them. Several hypotheses could be advanced about the inhibiting effects of aspirin. Some research has shown that aspirin could block prostaglandin receptors. It may also impair the conversion of PGF2 to PGE2 which seems important for a maximal muscle building effect. I know that PGE2 is considered as a muscle enemy in the bodybuilding magazines, but the fact is that several studies have pointed out its usefulness in the bodybuilding process as a growth agent for the muscles. One last hypothesis is that PGF2 stimulates the subsequent natural release of muscle PGF2 or PGE2 which could further enhance the anabolic process. Aspirin would prevent this secondary anabolic secretion.
Preventing the local growth by rotating the sites of injections I consider the local growth induced by PGF2 as a side effect. As I said last month, it is due to a weakness of PGF2 (a very rapid degradation) rather than a magical effect. Unless you want to bring up a specific weak point, you should constantly rotate the sites of injections. One more restriction is that it is easy, for example, to inject PGF2 in some body part like the front shoulders but far harder in the inner side of the biceps. You should also make sure to avoid hitting too close to the intestine which exacerbates the gastro-intestinal discomfort caused by PGF2. Though close to the intestine, the front legs are a rather interesting and "easy" site of injections. You just may feel your quads "better" as you walk. I would suggest you mark all the possible injection sites you have in order to structure your injection pattern. If you have weak points, they should be hit more often than your strong bodyparts. No injecting your right calf will make your left calve grow to the same extent. Same thing with the gastronemius and the soleus. Hitting one will mostly make the injected muscle grow with a lesser stimulation for the nearby muscles. So for the calves only, we have at least 15 possible sites of injections. One on the upper, outer soleus, one for the lower, outer soleus and one for the lower inner part of the soleus. One or two for the front calves depending on your degree of development. For the gastronemius, you have both the upper and lower part of the outer side as well as the upper and lower parts of the inner/rear part. Of course, you can multiply that by two as you hopefully have 2 calves. I consider that you have the same number of sites on the upper legs. Avoid the abs, the lower back and maybe the forearms. Your triceps hold at least 6 sites and at least 4 for your biceps. Your shoulders have at least 12. If you are not too sensitive, you can manage 12 more on your chest. It is a total of at least 64 sites (excluding the back) to choose from every day.If you are not sure about the muscle locations, check with an anatomy chart to avoid hitting a tendon or a bone. Note carefully which side of the body you last hit so that you can shift from the right to the left and from the left to the right with each injection. If a friend of yours is willing to help you with the injections, it will increase the potential number of injection sites by adding your whole upper back and helping the right handed persons with their right side of their upper body (and the opposite for the left handed persons). You will always find a helping hand in the gym.The main problem with the rotation is to inject into muscles that you are not about to train or muscles that you trained recently. This is why training each bodypart seriously only once a week will ease our use of PGF2. Light pumping sessions should not interfere with the PGF2 rotation schedule as the mild pain should be bearable. In fact, during a light workout, having a soreness-like mild pain should help you feel the muscle contraction better and should enhance your focus on the trained muscles.As I said last month, you should wait for at least two to three days after training to inject PGF2 because of its pain promoting effect. This length of time depends upon the degree of trauma inflicted to the trained muscles. If your training was really traumatic (by including plenty of heavy negative reps), you may have to wait longer. But PGF2 users do not have to traumatize their muscles to get results. In fact, thanks to the muscle pump you will obtain with the light weights, you will not have to go too heavy. Your workouts are more likely to be non-traumatic, allowing you to inject after only two days after the workout.I also advised to stop injecting into a muscle 24 hours before retraining it. This means that you have a three day window of opportunity for a single muscle per week to soak it up with PGF2.

Here is a one week schedule example. It assumes that your upper body is lagging a bit compared to your legs and is therefore trained a bit more. The first muscle is the bodypart of the day and should be trained hard (but avoid overly traumatic techniques such as pure negative reps and super heavy weights). The second and sometimes third muscles are meant to be trained in a light high rep fashion for around 5 sets each. In the least column, the muscles receiving PGF2 are mentioned. You will note that even though there are days off training, it is best to administer PGF2 everyday. Again, this is due to the short life cycle of PGF2 which makes it necessary to repeat injections frequently.




Day Muscle of the day Pumping muscles of the day Muscles in which PGF2 can be administered for the day
Monday Back Chest Chest*, Arms
Tuesday Legs Shoulders Shoulders*, Arms
Wesnesday Chest Back Shoulders, Arms
Thursday Rest Rest Shoulders, Back.
Friday Arms Legs Back, legs*.
Saturday Shoulders Back, Chest Back*, legs, chest*
Sunday Rest Rest Legs, Chest
* Inject after training rather than before.
The dosage issue
Most readers are interested in an "ideal" dosage schedule. Unfortunately, such a miraculous schedule does not exist. Steroids have been used for decades, yet no one is able to come up with a one fits all, fail-safe schedule. Though some claim to know exactly how to use steroids and how to stack them, this is a lie. The same applies to PGF2. The ideal schedule does not exist. It is up to you to figure out which one suits you best. I can give you some guidelines but I am more able to tell you how not to use it than to prescribe its use. As mentioned last month, I suggest to start with half a milligram. At that dosage, not much should occur. Better to be safe than sorry. If everything goes well, go up to a milligram the next time. See what is happening. If you are fine, try 2 milligrams. I think you understand how to build up your dosage during the first days of your very first cycle. There is normally 25 mg of PGF2 per 5 milliliters. At 1 ml. (therefore 5 mg.), you should start to be able to tell the drug is working. I suggest not to go above 2 ml. per injection. If you are using 1 ml. five times a day, it means one vial a day (two if you use 2 ml.s). 5 ml. is the most I have ever heard with a single injection, but I consider it as a huge dosage. Maybe in 5 to 10 years, it will sound like a sissy dosage, but only time will help us determine an upper limit.
Lowering the required dosage One easy way to reduce the PGF2 dosage (and therefore the side effects) while optimizing the anabolic response is to administer PGF2 while insulin secretion is high. This means at meal time -- or more precisely after a meal. Insulin can trigger the muscle secretion of PGF2. This is probably how it produces anabolism. But insulin does not stop here: it increases the muscle sensitivity to the anabolic effects of PGF2. This is why you can reduce your PGF2 dosage if it is used at meal time or administered with insulin or an insulin booster. The dosages mentioned above already take into account the beneficial synergetic action of insulin on PGF2.

[Snrf]

haha, this stuff is hardcore...a vet on here mentioned it to me last night, if you have to ask about it trust me, you're not ready for it!

[gixxerboy1]

haha, this stuff is hardcore...a vet on here mentioned it to me last night, if you have to ask about it trust me, you're not ready for it!

that what i tell boy scouts about vagina's

[pigrond]

that stuff sounds incredible ,never heard of it before.i think ill stick with regular roids for now

[AlphaLdr]

I was curious, what are the price oints on it> How is is marketed or sold?

[spywizard]

it does what it is suppose to do.. and you will shit your brains out every time you inject..

[Drummerboy]

damn. Incredible.

[scribbs12]

anyone ever used it?

[scribbs12]

anyone ever used it?

[darr]

increadable stuff!

[taiboxa]

i know joevett used PGF2 and HATED IT.. and he was pretty hard core

[Schmidty]

PB thats one hell of a post

[reddragon4954]

Hope this isn't brakin the rules but, I actually emailed the guy who sells that stuff and he said its "NOT" for new muscle growth mostly for weightloss. Can someone explain that? I mean either this guy has no clue what he is selling or we are all misinformed

[*Narkissos*]

Hope this isn't brakin the rules but, I actually emailed the guy who sells that stuff and he said its "NOT" for new muscle growth mostly for weightloss. Can someone explain that? I mean either this guy has no clue what he is selling or we are all misinformed

1. 'breaking'
2. New Steroid or What is??
re: DNP

[*Narkissos*]

i know joevett used PGF2 and HATED IT.. and he was pretty hard core

I didn't realize he'd tried it...

He WAS pretty hardcore indeed.

[reddragon4954]

SOOOO.... will this stuff produce site growth or not?

[*Narkissos*]

It has been around for a while..and yes

Just that most people find it hard to obtain..and those that obtain it find it hard to tolerate

I believe a couple members who used to frequent hear tried it prior.

[MartyMcFly]

I thought PGCL and PGF2 are different. i am not up on the peptides and all but want to know the diff. If any.

[MartyMcFly]

I got this from another board. Seemed like a good breakdown of what happens:




Lets take some of the mystery out of xx's PGCL.

First let me tell you that if you don't know, I have been a friend of xx
now for many years. I also would have been equally willing to post
negative or neutral comments about PGCL had I found the first results to
be dissappointing or the experience dangerous. This is a subjective post
and you must recognize, as I do, that this is pretty much uncharted
territory and no physician in his right mind would approve of these
methods for determining PGCL's effect or safety in bodybuiding MEN. The
literature on prostoglandins in bodybuilding is very limited. I was
greatly helped by articles on ********** and ****morphosis. You will note
in the literature reviews, that many times the dosing information is
choppy and you are not sure exactly which prostoglandin the author may be
referring to or which prostoglandin PGCL really is ( stronger or weaker ).
There is a ton of vetinary information out there on the drug that is used
to bring on heat and to induce labor in elephants, cattle, and pigs. But
it is hard to find information on fat metabolism, muscle growth, and
dosages in males.

xx's PGCL: It's ( PG-CL ) and each powder amp is 500 mcg or 1/2 mg.

THE PRICE: Pretty pricey although when one actually considers the
dramatic physique altering effects that occur with the drug and mild to
moderate workouts, it may be very cost effective. Certainly, when placed
side by side to HGH, PGCL appears to eliminate fat, at a rate many times
that of HGH. One of the most limiting factors of PGCL use appears to be as
spoken about elsewhere; the fact is that users get burned out with being a
pin cushion and to a lesser degree with the diarrhea that is induced by
the drug. Now xx tells me it can be taken at far lower frequencies ( 1
amp every two weeks ) and still be effective. This would truly make the
drug dirt cheap. In fact, xx is very concerned about the risks of dosing
schedules as high as mine, although I am very comfortable with the startup
schedule and dosages I used for the reasons given in this report. However,
if it can be shown to be equally effective when taken at lower dosages or
frequencies, then obviously that is preferred. AGAIN: This is pretty
UNCHARTED TERRITORY and use this drug at YOUR OWN RISK and ONLY
if you are a MAN! I would personally not use it if I was attempting to start
a family now or in the near future. It is one thing to take the risk on for
yourself, but I cannot see how you can in good conscience risk the health
of your baby to-be.

THE DOSAGE: I found that 1/4cc PGCL is a nice volume to shoot into a muscle
with an insulin syringe 29guage X 1/2 needle. You could use more or less
volume, but becuase there may be a small bite to the injection, it is
rather shallow injection, and there are more small nerves at shot
locations then you are use to with gear sticks, 1/4cc feels about right.
You clearly get the effects of the drug in what, appeared to me, to be
like-manner as when I used 3/4cc of PGCL. Besides, 1/4cc makes it easy to
split up in dosages that are suggested for a 220lb male ( approximately
37mcg ). Now I usually get bacteriostatic water from the lab supply store
to mix stuff with but I was lazy and I picked up Sterile Normal Saline Eye
Wash from the pharmacy section of the grocery store. xx has you buying
distilled water and microwaving it, which is cheap and can be easily done.
I just don't like gallon jugs as they quickly become breeding grounds for
bugs. So I used sterile normal saline and you can use sterile water.
Doesn't appear to matter although I am not an expert if you hadn't
noticed, LOL. You have many ways to get 12 insulin syringes filled at 1/4
cc from 1 amp of powdered PGCL to give you a shot with approximately
40mcg of drug in it. I personally use a clean one ounce drink shot glass that
has been submerged in ISOPROPYL ALCOHOL 91% for 5 minutes and then air
dried. With a sterile 3cc syringe, draw up just over 3cc of saline or water.
Break the top off the amp ( happy to report these Chinese glass amp tops break
easily as they are supposed to ) and put 2 cc in the amp and allow powder
to mix into solution. Then withdrawl everything out of amp with syringe and
you should be left with a syringe that has just over 3 cc's PGCL solution in it.
Shoot the 3cc's PGCL solution into the shot glass and draw up 12 insulin syringes
with 1/4cc ( or ml) PGCL each. You now have 12 shots available from one 500mcg
amp each. Each shot will have approximately 40 mcg's of PGCL which is the
recommended dose ( as far as I can find ) of PGCL for a 220lb MALE.

STORAGE: I kept the amps and the readied syringes in a refrigerator.
However, in reviewing the vetinary literature, I found that the drug in
solution may be kept in a dark place at room temperature. Obviously,
keeping the drug refrigerated for elephants in Africa would be a
challenge.

SHOOTING PGCL: Well it takes a little getting used to as it did the first
time you nailed yourself with a 1 1/2 inch 22 or 23 guage needle. It does
have a small bite at first and it varies depending on the muscle region
you are hitting as there are differences in where pain receptors are
between shot locations. But the worst pain that ( which isn't very bad ) is
the pain that you already know when you lay the needle close enough to a
nerve that the solution volume excerts pressure and you feel alittle pain
with inject. Thats why 1/4cc is a good shot volume as it isn't putting a
whole lot of volume pressure out at the point of inject. About every 10th
injection I did get a small ( dime-size ) bruise from needle/shot trauma.
This was ususually associated with jerking the syringe around or
repositioning the needle in the muscle using my left non-dominat hand.
You will find the bicep an easier muscle to hit the the tricep, DUH!. I
never aspirate back, but everyone will tell you you should.

THE DOSING SCHEDULE: I am just going to tell you what I did. I based my
inject sites, frequency, and dosage on what little literature was
available. BEAWARE::: It appears that I may be using well over twice the
necessary amount of drug needed. I shot ( two 40 mcg. injects ) 2 - 3
times a day ( 4 - 6 total shots ) depending on whether I was working that
day or not. On days that you are working you may have to scale back the
shots, or not do them at all, as the need to use the bathroom in quick
order is there everytime you inject. ON WORK DAY: I would do 1 shot at
work at a time when I knew that 20 minutes to 1 -1/2 hours after I
injected I could spend 1 - 3 ( 5 - 10 minutes breaks ) on the shitter
stinking the place up. I would then shoot some time after dinner being a
lttle sensitive to others in the house as far as smell and splatter ( if
you know what I mean!! ). ON NON WORK DAYS: I would do 2 shots,
3 times a day at times that made sense as far as ingestion of food and availability
of toilet. Now it is clearly a very fast acting drug and there is some
literature from bodybuilders suggesting shooting 5 times a day as the
anabolic effect may be as short as only 2 hours. May be my 6 shots on NON
WORK days should be spread out and limited to 5 shots total. But I am
afraid the logistics, as far as toilet use, and other tolerance issues,
make me comfortable with my shot schedule ( again that is ( 2 ) 40mcg
shots, 3 times a day where they make sense )

THE SHOT PAIN/SORENESS: You will read about having 64 possible shot
locations and the need to rotate the shots between muscles, locations and
workout days. I am going to tell you my experience is different. I am 6
days into it and shooting only my biceps and triceps. I did shoot my
chest once, my quads once and my calves once and the bowels moved about
the same degree with each location. It maybe becuase I am actually
hitting my system with 80 mcg with each inject session so proxcimity to
the guty may be a mute point as the shits going to roll ( or slip out of
you!! ) anyhow. I experience muscle soreness for about as long as the drug
remains active which I would guesstimate at 1-3 hours. I have experienced
nothing debilitating as far as muscle pain and I can inject the muscle
over and over again. I can work the muscle moderately hard, get a great
pump, without any consideration of whether I shot the muscle that day or
not. Now your experience may be different as I know from experience with
shooting xx's oils forever it seems that while I rarely ever had
sensitivity some guys would get tremendous adverse reactions at the
injection site. DO YOU UNDERSTAND: That I shoot two shots into the
identical areas of the bilateral muscle with every shot episode. So during
the 1 -3 sessions a day, I shoot one bicep or tri area and then try to
shoot immediately the same area on the other arm. Thats how I get 80mcg's
of drug with every inject session.

WHAT ELSE AM I ON: I am on HRT and don't cycle anymore as I can't
grow on cycles that include up to 2 grams of test a week. I am over 50 and my
test levels are managed by a physician who uses lozenges to keep me at a
level of someone about 30. You will never grow on HRT, but if you time it
right sometime after 40 when your muscle mass starts to dwindle, get on it
and you may blunt the muscle loss. How long??? we will find out!!! I
also take armidex and procepia, but that is really it. Oh I am doing PWO
slin and Maxy Waize just to augment the muscle fullness if I can. Only on
workout days. I do 75mg -100 mg of ephedrine HCL preworkout and I have
noticed a blunted effect of ephedrine since being on PGCL. I would say 30%
less of a boost.

THE SHOT LOCATIONS: Like I said above, I am not rotating muscles beyond
the two I have chosen to experiment on. My Biceps and my Triceps. I am
only doing the lateral head of the triceps for reasons that will become obvious
to you when you go to hitting the tricep muscle by yourself.

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THE SIDE EFFECTS:

Your experience may be different and my experiment may be dangerous for
some MALES. In fact, xx is very concerned about the risks of dosing
schedules as high as mine although I am very comfortable with the schedule
and dosages I used for the reasons given in this report. However, if it
can be shown to be equally effective when taken at lower dosages or
frequencies then obviously this is preferred. AGAIN: This is pretty
UNCHARTED TERRITORY and use this drug at YOUR OWN RISK and ONLY
if you are a MAN! I would personally not use it if I was attempting to start
a family now or in the near future. It is one thing to take the risk on for
yourself, but I cannot see hopw you can in good conscience risk the health
of your baby to-be.

THE SCARIEST EFFECT: Was on the first or second day of use when doing
shrugs, on about the 4th set the area around my adam's apple started to
tighten up. Now the first thought is that the airway could close down as
with anaphalactic shock. I stopped the exercise and the sensation quickly
subsided. That was the only time I experienced that feeling. PGCL is a
smooth muscle constrictor and today I think I may have just triggered some
smooth muscle in my neck or possibly the lower windpipe to contract.
Understanding it doesn't make it any safer, if your airway should close
off, you won't be worrying about muscle size anymore.

NAUSEA: Truthfully, it was only the first day that I almost felt ( when
the drug was peaking in my system, around 1 hour or so ) like vomiting.
I didn't, it never got to the point of heaves. That 1st and 2nd day was
one of fatique and a feeling of sickness mostly when the drug was peaking.

THE SHITTER: This is probably the biggest nuisance, but may also be one
of the most beneficial aspects of the drug. You will need a bathroom for
diarrhea 1 - 3 times within the 1st 20 min to 1 1/2 hours after injecting
the dosages I used. The drug causes spontaneous abortions in females
through smooth muscle contractions. In men this drug causes you to
spontaneously abort much of what you have in your GI track, as well as,
your bladder through the same mechanism. It doesn't seem to get better,
it happens everytime, and there were a couple times that I would have shit
my pants ( at work ) if I did not have a toilet readily available. The good
news is ( despite a puckered asshole, LOL ) you develop a tolerance and it
becomes a fairly easy thing to manage, but how many times can you admit
to your family in a week period, you have the runs? Seems a little weird!!

BODYTEMP: You read about sweating and increase in body temperature when
people are describing the effects when drug is peaking in your system. In
my experience I had a consistent drop in body temperature 36.3 - 36.9
degrees celcius when peaking ( at about 1 hour or when you are compelled
to the bathroom ). Much of the day my hands and feet where cold and so it
appears to me that I peripherally shut down due to vasoconstriction of
blood vessels in my hands and feet. It may be a compensatory reaction to
the sudden loss of water volume intravascularily through the massive
shifting of water into the GI tract causing, near-explosive, diarrhea.
Just speculation as is all of this report.

SITE PAIN / MUSCLE SORENESS: As noted above: small bite with injection,
soreness for me while drug levels were high and nothing that prevents me
from working that muscle or re-hitting the site.

CRAMPING: Some cramping thats confined to the hands mostly every
day once or twice that subsides. I attributed this to electrolyte loss from
diarrhea and diuresis.

BRUISING: Like I said above, small, dime-size, bruises about every 10th
inject from muscle trauma I speculate was cuased by me jerking the syringe
and needle around with my non-dominant hand.

************************************************** *******

THE RESULTS:

WEIGHT LOSS: In 5 days, I lossed 9 lbs. Much of this was water, but it was
also significantly fat. Vascularity has been brought out by a reduction of
the fat sheath on arms and legs. Belt size shortened about 1 inch.

ARM SIZE: In 5 days, approximately 1 inch, added to my Bicep/tricep
measurement post workout of the arms. About 18 to 19 inches with the
muscle staying fuller throughout day. Come on,,, I am over 50, how big did
you think I would be??? bigger than most!!

HORNYNESS: Some users of prostoglandins report increase in Libido. I
would say mine was enhanced slightly, but this maybe more of a placebo
effect. In younger men this effect maybe more pronounced or it may not
have any effect on libido.

PURELY SPECULATION / BABBLING

What makes this drug so interesting for rapid weight loss is that you are
emptying the gut periodically throughout the day and depriving the body of
calories and electrolytes. However unlike caloric restrictive diets
of say, less that 1000 calories a day, you are able to eat normally ( if
not overeat ) and not suffer through the psychological pain of strict
dieting. You may also prevent the re-setting of the metabolism that occurs
when the body thinks you are depriving it. But I am convinced, that in
addition to diuresis, the drug is causing food in the small intestine to
not get fully absorbed, but be evacuated out of the body. Whether there
is actually increased fat metabolism occuring ( the burning up or
"killing" ) of fat cells that one reads about from prostoglandins I can't
tell. I do not see heat occuring which would lead me to believe that my
metabolism was increased. I do see one of the most pain free and profound
weight loss through diuresis and decreased nutritional absorbtion that I
have ever experienced, or heard of. If you are a fighter trying to make
weight, take 80 mcgs of PGCL, and within 2 hours you maybe as much as 5
pounds lighter. One gallon of water weighs 8 lbs and I didn't weigh it,
LOL, but that first shot/shit was about 1 /2 gallon of pretty toxic stuff.
I would certainly consider gatoraid/pedi-lite drinks throughout day if
in fact, we agree there is a serious loss of electrolites ocurring. There
is obvious muscle swelling due to inflamation of the muscle. How can this
be anabolic?? It is fluid! It must be stretching fascia? But is it
anymore stretching than if I was on 2 grams of test?? Time will tell. I
have 5-6 more amps to do in my arms. What are the health consequenses in
men?? Hell I don't know, but in rats given tons of the drug, it appears
that any negative effects subsided with discontinuation of the drug.
Tolerance issues: most people seem to tolerate and learn to manage the
shitter, but it appears that 2 months is the maximum that people want to
be a pincushion or to just manage the logistics associated with PGCL. My
intuition tells me that I will do 8 amps into my Biceps and Tris and then
take a break and evaluate the longer term effects. I think a 10amp
package for $xxx from China and 500mg of test a week will get you a 1-2
month bridging cycle between steroid use . xx tells me he may bring this
price down and both he and the remailers will be stocking up on PGCL in
the next couple weeks.


IN SUMMARY: I have done DNP and could not tolerate it beyond day two. It
was probably the most frightening experience along with just the
discomfort from heat. DNP is nasty stuff and frommy perspective the kind
of stuff physiologically that if you show up in the ER with serious side
effects, they aren't going to have a clue other than ice packs as to how
to treat you. In other words they are as apt to turn the negative effects
up as much as turn them down. It wouldn't surprise me if death occurs
occaissionally with DNP use. I have used as much as 700ius of HGH over a
few months and while I did recognize fat loss, it came at a significant
price.

No this is very interesting stuff that I think warrants a try without more
than base test, and without HGH. It is cool stuff in that you can
painlessly diet and ( with a little site pain ) manipulate muscle size all
within a matter of days.

I do not know if the muscle swelling will occur in people with little or
no muscle mass. I suspect that like steroids , there won't be much of a
size increase without mass.

Well did I seem biased??? I hope not!! I am xx's friend, but money has
never motivated me to compromise Truth. In fact I paid full price for the
product which is extremely rare for me. This is all subjective and in the
end I only hope I have just provided some helpful information that will
allow you to safely experiment with this very unique drug. For God's
sake people, do you realize I am reporting all this after only 5 days or
2-3 amps 1mg - 1.5 mg PGCL. I will give you the full, blow to blow,
through 5 more amps so that this is not just some great beginning followed
up without an ending reported.

[MartyMcFly]

This was a cut and paste^

[taiboxa]

I didn't realize he'd tried it...

He WAS pretty hardcore indeed.

where do u think i picked up all my habits from LOL .. then tren .. the dnp ..

[taiboxa]

It has been around for a while..and yes

Just that most people find it hard to obtain..and those that obtain it find it hard to tolerate

I believe a couple members who used to frequent hear tried it prior.

yeah... his experience w/ it and lack of gains vs sides makes me want to avoid it like the plague.

[reddragon4954]

WOW, got to get me some of that PGCL. If what the guy said is true that stuff could really improve and quickly enhance lagging bodyparts

[MFT81]

at the cost of explosive diahrhea? To many sides.

[slacker]

i could squirt out of my ass for 20 min a day and still be happy with the stuff.

[slacker]

right now i'm thinking my chest could benfit from this.

[taiboxa]

i could squirt out of my ass for 20 min a day and still be happy with the stuff.

lol .. go for it i dare ya !

[*Narkissos*]

WOW, got to get me some of that PGCL. If what the guy said is true that stuff could really improve and quickly enhance lagging bodyparts

Personally i think slin + igf would be more productive.

[thebrakes]

Personally i think slin + igf would be more productive.

agreed. there are just better ways to get the job done.

[taiboxa]

Personally i think slin + igf would be more productive.

meh tren >

[SVTMuscle*]

yeah i dunno why people try things that NO one really has alot of experience with. too risky IMO

[Dobie-BOY]

Personally i think slin + igf would be more productive.

Yep, thats what im thinkin.

[reddragon4954]

this stuff also produces site fat loss, right???? Does it release the fat into the blood stream or literal destroy it like some say????

[slacker]

Anyone know the ballpark street value of that stuff?

[reddragon4954]

Not supposed to talk about prices here dude,

bump for

this stuff also produces site fat loss, right???? Does it release the fat into the blood stream or literal destroy it like some say????

[slacker]

woops my bad.

[Drummerboy]

Personally i think slin + igf would be more productive.

not that ive done all this, but from what i know ^^^^ i would agree.

[Drummerboy]

meh tren>

LOL! i luv tren , i just luv my balls, libido, etc also! shuts me down bad... but while your on... man...

~DB~