mast/winny/clen cycle info

**caffeine_menace** · 06-06-2007, 11:20 AM

ok im 30 years old, 5'7' 195lbs and as of today im at 16% bf. over the last 8 months ive lost 35lbs with cardio and the last 2 months ive been doing a weight training program along with the cardio. Ive got a good diet in place that ive been following for the past year and consist of 1800-2500 calories a day ***ending on my protein intake. Ive also been taking these supplements for the whole 8 months:

30 min pre workout

N-Acetyl L -Carnitine 1000mg's
BCAA's
Sports multivitamin
Tribulus 30 drops
L-Arginine 5000mg's
Creatine 5000mg's
Whey Protein

30 min Post workout

BCAA's
Creatine 5000mg's
Whey Protein

So thats just some history, Im ok with the way i look but want to move things a little faster along. My goal is to completely lean out, and get to 8-10 % body fat. Ive taken gear in the past between ages 18 -25 but kinda let myself go in the these past 5 years. Like i said ive lost 35 lbs and droped alot of body fat in almost a year but now i think im ready to burn it off faster using some cutting cycles since ive kinda reached a stand still.

I got ahold of these 3, mast 20cc/winny 20cc/clen and was thinking of using it in this way, and wanted to know what u guys think or if theres anything u would change or add to it.

------------mast---------------winny-----------clen
week1 100mg's eod--------------------------40mcg's ed
week2 100mg's eod--------------------------40mcg's ed
week3 100mg's eod--------50mg's eod-------60mcg's ed
week4 100mg's eod---------50mg's eod------60mcg's ed
week5 100mg's eod---------50mg's eod------80mcg's ed
week6 100mg's eod---------50mgs eod------80mcgs ed
week7----------------------50mg's eod------100mcg's ed
week8-----------------------50mg's eod-----100mcg's ed

Im planing on doing the winny for 4 weeks for sure and strecth it out to the 6 if i can.Any good info is appreciated.

**GHO5T** · 06-06-2007, 12:28 PM

You need some form of test in that cycle bro, prop IMO would be ideal, to keep libido levels stable and prevent drastic suppresion.

Also i would switch to T3 in place of clen , i believe it to be a more potent fat burner. Also running clen, one of the sides is that the user gets shaky, and injections can become a little difficult.

Run the winni at 50mg/ed instead of eod. More effective this way.

~GHO5T~

**Stock** · 06-06-2007, 12:36 PM

IMO, you should read up on clen more. You should do 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off and increasing the dosage every 3rd day. For me, 100-120 mcg worked good. I have never run a Mast/winny cycle before, so I wont comment from experience, but IMO, some test prop added in would do you good like what Gho5t said. What PCT are you going to run?

**longhorn814** · 06-06-2007, 01:14 PM

your bodyfat is too high to really see the benefits of masteron and winny. Besides there is no reason to run both at the same time either. I would do a lot more research before you do anything

**caffeine_menace** · 06-06-2007, 05:21 PM

So you guys think i should wait on the mast and winny and get on the clen 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off untill i lose more BF? What BF range should i be in to start getting results from the prop/mast/winny cycle? I dont wanna waste this stuff if im not going to see results. id rather wait and keep doing more cardio and weights untill i get to where i need to be.

**Unoid** · 06-06-2007, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

y Besides there is no reason to run both at the same time either. I would do a lot more research before you do anything

Wheres in god's name did you learn this fact of Drostanolone + stanozolol ?

They're a fairly good combo actually.

**longhorn814** · 06-06-2007, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by Unoid

Wheres in god's name did you learn this fact of Drostanolone + stanozolol ?

They're a fairly good combo actually.

its my personal opinion..theyre both DHT derived steroids and theyre very similar, no reason to run both at the same time, I would stack other things instead of those two together..I know people that have run them together and liked the results, granted they were already super lean anyway

**taiboxa** · 06-06-2007, 09:39 PM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

its my personal opinion..theyre both DHT derived steroids and theyre very similar, no reason to run both at the same time, I would stack other things instead of those two together..I know people that have run them together and liked the results, granted they were already super lean anyway

i concur.. mast + win is kinda like win + win! lol
sure mast + win is greater than WIN alone..
but thats like running Deca + MORE DECA lol... i will leave the logical reasnoning up to u all

**caffeine_menace** · 06-07-2007, 06:37 AM

So ive taken a little of what u all have given me and altered what i had. How does this look now?

---------test prop-------------mast--------------clen
week1 100mg's eod-------------------------80-120mcg's ed
week2 100mg's eod-------------------------80-120mcg's ed
week3 100mg's eod--------100mg's eod--------------------
week4 100mg's eod--------100mg's eod---------------------
week5 100mg's eod--------100mg's eod----- 80-120mcgs ed
week6 100mg's eod--------100mg's eod-----80-120mcg's ed
week7 100mg's eod--------100mg's eod--------------------
week8 100mg's eod--------100mg's eod--------------------
week9---------------------------------------80-120mcg's ed
week10--------------------------------------80-120mcg's ed
week11 start pct's

**SilverBack_69** · 06-07-2007, 07:14 AM

You could run the mast from the start of the cycle as this would eliminate the need for any anti-e's. Also you need to start your PCT 48hrs after your last shot not two weeks, these compunds have a short half life.

**longhorn814** · 06-07-2007, 07:39 AM

you need to start PCT 3 days after your last shot of prop..dont wait 2 weeks

**J-41-sd** · 06-07-2007, 11:05 AM

Originally Posted by caffeine_menace

So you guys think i should wait on the mast and winny and get on the clen 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off untill i lose more BF? What BF range should i be in to start getting results from the prop/mast/winny cycle? I dont wanna waste this stuff if im not going to see results. id rather wait and keep doing more cardio and weights untill i get to where i need to be.

Personally I shoot for no more than 12% and prefferally in the sub 10% range because I need to have my diet in check anyways if I'm gonna cycle,so why not hit the ground running, IMO. good luck

**caffeine_menace** · 06-07-2007, 05:02 PM

thanks for the heads up on the pct........i didnt know that it had to be 48 hrs after my last prop shot. Also after im done with this cycle can i keep running the clen 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off untill its time for my next cycle. I think i read that in the profile about clen but wanted to know if anyone has done this safely with out any bad side effects other than the normal ones? i want to keep burning this fat off even after the cycle is done. I allready drink alot of water, only water for that case everyday. I also read that taurine is good for the cramping so i plan on picking that up too.