How to get ripped?

**snoogans** · 10-17-2007, 07:45 PM

This is for a friend of mine; He's about 5' 9" 212lbs and about 20-30% bodyfat, what kind of cycle would be good for him to burn the fat and yet gain strength...?? Thanks in advance...

**Consistency** · 10-17-2007, 07:45 PM

haha

**Consistency** · 10-17-2007, 07:47 PM

seriously though, the best cycle would be to get his diet in check get a solid workout routine and research AAS before anything. Doing a cycle at %30 BF is not a good idea at all

**goin on 4T** · 10-17-2007, 07:52 PM

Yeah, have him do a lot of cardio and read the diet forum...

**snoogans** · 10-17-2007, 07:53 PM

he has a diet but that's why i asked for a cycle that would help him burn the fat faster other than diet and exercise alone ... I've seen plenty of people do it at 30% bf and even more...

**Consistency** · 10-17-2007, 07:58 PM

since when does aas burn fat?

**Big** · 10-17-2007, 08:01 PM

diet and cardio, pure and simple

**snoogans** · 10-17-2007, 08:02 PM

Doesn't T3 and Clen and some other bullshits there burn fat??? If T3 and Clen and all those other things i hear about aren't steroids then im sorry for the confusion but i thought they were...

**Big** · 10-17-2007, 08:07 PM

the only confusion here is that you asked a question then are disagreeing with the answers. at 20 to 30% body fat he should use diet and cardio ONLY to get down to a more reasonable bf% before cycling anything.

**Consistency** · 10-17-2007, 08:07 PM

ok, yes T3 and clen and DNP etc... all burn fat but they are not "steroids ". You can diet/cut easier with a simple baseline of aas to keep your body from going anti-catabolic. Try to get his diet and post it in the diet forum and I will be sure to check it out and critique it.

you can just take some "steroids" and get ripped and jacked at the same time.... so much more complicated then that. Have you thought about anti estrogens or pct?

**goin on 4T** · 10-17-2007, 08:07 PM

Even if he fills his gut with T3 or Clen he is still going to have to get his ass on a cardio regimin and change his diet. Can't take the pills 360!!! or hill be 30-40% BF

**Big** · 10-17-2007, 08:08 PM

Yes there are some compounds that burn fat. For instance, I'm at 10%bf, if I wanted to get down to 6 or 7% perhaps I would use something to help me cut (actually I wouldn't, but that's another story). For someone that may be 30% cutting compounds are not the answer.

**Consistency** · 10-17-2007, 08:11 PM

also there is a big difference between a person at 212 lbs at 20% and 30% BF. Thats a difference of 22lbs of pure fat. So try to figure that one out also

Just trying to help

**Big** · 10-17-2007, 08:12 PM

Originally Posted by Consistency

also there is a big difference between a person at 212 lbs at 20% and 30% BF. Thats a difference of 22lbs of pure fat. So try to figure that one out also

Just trying to help

I agree, I was thinking the same thing. 20 to 30% is a big range, I think he should get calipered and see exactly what he's dealing with.

**snoogans** · 10-17-2007, 08:19 PM

I understand you guys are trying to help and i appreciate it... But saying he cuts down bodyfat, lets say he's at 30% and goes down to 20% would that be good enough for a cycle?? And if so what cycle can he do? And i don't know if the pct is the same for a bulking cycle and a cutting cycle, i know the pct im going to use but would it be different for him??

**Big** · 10-17-2007, 08:22 PM

Personally I wouldn't recommend a cycle to anyone over 14 to 15%, I think to get the most out of a cycle one needs to have the dedication to get their diet and training in check and at least get that low. That being said I'm sure many people have cycled a lot higher than that, so I'm just giving my opinion.

**Consistency** · 10-17-2007, 08:58 PM

Originally Posted by Ima******ger

Personally I wouldn't recommend a cycle to anyone over 14 to 15%, I think to get the most out of a cycle one needs to have the dedication to get their diet and training in check and at least get that low. That being said I'm sure many people have cycled a lot higher than that, so I'm just giving my opinion.

well according to most research and ACSM for a male, 12%-20% BF is considered "healthy". WHEN he does get down to 19-20% and his diet is solid and once he researched on his own so he knows what he is injecting into his body, I would suggest a simple dose of 400-500mg of test enan or cyp with regular pct of clomid 300,100, 50mg... but that seems to be atleast 3-4 months away

**snoogans** · 10-17-2007, 09:14 PM

Can he add deca in the cycle for tendons and joints? Just in case...

**Big** · 10-17-2007, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by snoogans

Can he add deca in the cycle for tendons and joints? Just in case...

are you asking for permission?

**snoogans** · 10-17-2007, 09:18 PM

No im asking if it's recomended at 20% bf... Im 148lbs and 7% bf i know what i need to do to bulk up and what i need to do for pct, for him it could be different being at 20% bf that's why im asking...

**Consistency** · 10-17-2007, 09:20 PM

yeah if its to lubrication I would suggest 200mg a week, even 100mg should work

**Kratos** · 10-17-2007, 09:20 PM

lots of cardio, I like rowing machine/bike/running alternation, and as much boneless skinless chicken breast and rice + vitamins as he wants to eat and nothing else.

**Big** · 10-17-2007, 09:21 PM

He would need to decide if he wants to cut or bulk from there once reaching 20%, would this be his first cycle? How old is he?

**snoogans** · 10-17-2007, 09:26 PM

yea it would be his 1st cycle, and he's 18... I know you guys are probably gonna say for him to wait, he shouldn't be fcking with that yet... but he knows about it, the only thing he wanted me to ask if he can take anything to burn fat blah blah but you guys answered that already...

**Kratos** · 10-17-2007, 09:29 PM

I would have had no idea what I would be getting myself into at 18, so I don't think he could either. He's fat, what do fat people need to do?

C'mon you know this one, everytime you see a landwhale at Mcdonalds you think it to yourself.

Stop eating so much you pig and go exercise.

**Big** · 10-17-2007, 09:30 PM

18? ok, I'm done here, best of luck to him.

**Consistency** · 10-17-2007, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Ima******ger

18? ok, I'm done here, best of luck to him.

haha, yeah I wish we knew that earlier.

**Kratos** · 10-17-2007, 09:36 PM

let me guess his diet is similar to what mine was at 18

cheese steaks and pizza

Thank god I was active

My prediction, he continues to get fatter with or without steroids

**snoogans** · 10-17-2007, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

I would have had no idea what I would be getting myself into at 18, so I don't think he could either. He's fat, what do fat people need to do?

C'mon you know this one, everytime you see a landwhale at Mcdonalds you think it to yourself.

Stop eating so much you pig and go exercise.

Look i don't appreciate the disrespect... Are you saying all he can do is sit around and eat?! He exercises plenty, lifts 4 times a week and believe it or not doesn't eat fast food! I believe it's all about jeans, om 148lbs 7% bf and all i used to eat was fast food and fat foods all day and i never once worked out abs and i have a six pack alot of people say i don't deserve cuz i don't work for it... He just doesn't have time for cardio because he goes to school twice a day and only has about 2 hours the most to work out and most of you know that's barely enough time to lift properly... So think before you judge somebody...

**Consistency** · 10-17-2007, 09:47 PM

like i said, get him to record what he eats for 3 days, then post it on this site. I guarantee we can help once we see that

**Kratos** · 10-17-2007, 09:48 PM

yeah my bad, it is all about the jeans, I look fat is some and thin in others. I like express men and lucky the best.

**mx3** · 10-17-2007, 09:52 PM

I get my work out and cardio done in 90 min. you just need to bust ass.

**snoogans** · 10-17-2007, 09:52 PM

Kratos, i don't mean to beef with you, but he's like my brother and i don't like people talking bad about him, he has alot to go through as it is...

**Titleist** · 10-17-2007, 10:05 PM

Originally Posted by Kratos

yeah my bad, it is all about the jeans, I look fat is some and thin in others. I like express men and lucky the best.

Beat me to it.

Either way, the facts:
-He's too young.
-His diet has to be a trainwreck. Bad "jeans" or genes, you don't get that much fat by eating healthy.
-He has you on here, instead of himself. If I was considering taking hormones, I would definitely get my ass off of the couch and look shit up myself.
-Excuses, excuses, excuses. Man, I'm not trying to be a dick, but you say he has a lot going on, he doesn't have time to do cardio much with school (yet he has time to lift...) and what not...So how in the hell can steroids help him?

Just some things to think about.

Hopefully your friend finds some time to prepare a diet and stick with it. Couple that with some cardio and proper lifting, and BOOM!, he'll be picking up top notch whores in no time.

**Kratos** · 10-17-2007, 10:07 PM

I did arms and shoulders today in the "jim"
+40min on the exercise bike at an intensity that would make you throw up. There was a puddle of sweat under the machine that I had to mop up with paper towel. I was in and out in under 2 hours.

I don't care if you do want to start a beef or not, I'm just dishing up some truth for you. If I ***** foot around, your butt buddy isn't going to get the advise he needs.

**Diamonite** · 10-17-2007, 10:10 PM

AAS are useless at stats like that. Proper diet and cardio will drop his weight and bf% better than any cycle and isn't that what he wants?

What's really bad though is that he wants to do a cycle at 18 with stats like that ANYWAYS and his only source of research is through a friend?

Read up on the educational threads about cycles and gear bro. Best I can say..

**Renesis** · 10-17-2007, 10:19 PM

2 Hours is way more than enough time to lift and do cardio. 1 hour training 30-45 minutes cardio boom your out.

**snoogans** · 10-17-2007, 10:29 PM

Who the **** says he doesnt read?!?!? You people are a bunch of dick head faggots... I try to be nice to you Kratos and you're just being a smart ass cock stroker.... I don't give a **** how you work out, anything you can do ill put money on it that i can do too, and still have enough left for whatever it is you want to throw at me, get the **** out my face with that bullshit! For those of you who weren't being dick heads or smart asses thank you i appreciate it... Even if your opinion is that 18 is too young, i know about too many people who started before that and at 18 and nothing bad so far, i understand the advice to wait though, don't take me as being ignorant about it..

**GHO5T** · 10-17-2007, 10:37 PM

Originally Posted by snoogans

Look i don't appreciate the disrespect... Are you saying all he can do is sit around and eat?! He exercises plenty, lifts 4 times a week and believe it or not doesn't eat fast food! I believe it's all about jeans, om 148lbs 7% bf and all i used to eat was fast food and fat foods all day and i never once worked out abs and i have a six pack alot of people say i don't deserve cuz i don't work for it... He just doesn't have time for cardio because he goes to school twice a day and only has about 2 hours the most to work out and most of you know that's barely enough time to lift properly... So think before you judge somebody...

2 hours is IMO a sufficient amount of time for one to workout, I personally like to keep workouts in the 45min-1hr range as anything longer IMO could lead to overtraining and exhaustion.

Also if one were to exercise plenty, lift 4 times a week and not eat fast food as you have stated, IMO one would not be in the situation that your friend is in (20-30% BF), good genes or bad.

There is defenetly something wrong with either his diet and workout regime or how the information is being presented to us. Like Consistency has mentioned keep a log of what/when/how much he eats for an (x) amount of days and then post the results in the diet forum. We will be able to help you further from there.

As far as cycling and aas usage is concerned i would highly advise against it as of now. IMO to fully experience the full potential of AAS, one has to have a good understanding of his/her diet and training regime, in other words one must have a good grasp on how ones body will respond to different things, ex: whether to train 5 or 6 times a day?, to hit one or two muscle groups per day?, when does overtraining occur?, what foods or workouts combined will give you optimal results? etc...

One learns all this, gradually. At his age (18) he still has plenty to learn about himself and BB, and as he progresses naturally as IMO he should do, he will get a better understanding of what works best for him, whether it be diets or training regimes.

Once he has reached his goal(s) naturally, has brought down his BF to a reasonable percentage, has held down a strict diet and training regime for some months. Then can he IMO introduce AAS, as by then he would have the proper knowledge and understanding of the many aspects of BB to fully optimize gains from a cycle.

~GHO5T~

**Kratos** · 10-17-2007, 10:38 PM

You are an ignorant tool despite what you want people to take you as. I gave you good advise, do what you want with it. If I can do a duel science major and a D-1 sport at the same time, your fat friend can find time to go to the gym and fix his diet. BTW sounds like you are a little bitch body so I don't know what you mean about having enough left for whatever I want to throw at you, cause you are an annoying little twat and it might just be my fist.