No Clen On Cycle…says Who?

[magic32]

LET THEM EAT CLEN!

A question was recently pm’ed to me by an intelligent member who found himself unable to abide by a Steroid .com profile due to the prevalence of contemporary information, meaning either the info is incorrect or the profile requires updating. Essentially, his question was “How can I run T3 and Clen together (the dynamic duo referenced within the profile) if T3 is appropriately used on cycle, and Clen off cycle?”

As many of you know this “Clen is a hindrance to cycle gains” ideology has recently permeated this and other site forums. Sadly, propaganda can so encompass a society that, whether true or not, it becomes real by virtue of the level of communal acceptance (i.e. the world is flat; the universe is finite).

As I have yet to see a single shred of research-based evidence to support this philosophy, my stance on the position is that of the former well-substantiated belief that Clen is NOT a cycle detriment, but rather the diametric opposite…A MULTI-FACETED CYCLE BENEFIT. I mentioned this to Hooker yesterday during a business call and he whole-heartedly agreed that not only does Clen raise IGF levels, and possess anti-catabolic properties, but to a slight degree promotes anabolism (especially in a weight trained body). Oddly, it is for these very reasons that even the Clen during cycle abolitionists are in favor of its PCT application, which makes perfect sense but why not during cycle as well? I’m not saying the theory is ridiculous, because we certainly find precedent for it in the use of SERMS and AI’s while on cycle, however their negative on cycle attributes only occur because of conflicting mechanisms that aren’t germane to Clen. Even if said mechanics (chemical reactions) were at play with Clen, they'd have to quite potent to successfully counter ALL of its muscle promoting benefits (re-establishing baseline), then continue on into negative territory.

If anyone holds the opposite opinion let's dialogue, please rebut this argument ALONG WITH factual research-based evidence, clinical or otherwise. As Anthony put it “I’m open the idea, but there doesn’t seem to be any proof for it.” Conversely I’d like to cite a few of the more prominent studies (located below) in support of my claim.

And for the history buffs among you, I trust the satirical nature of the title was not wasted. This flippant phrase about consuming pastry is commonly attributed to Marie Antoinette in the days leading up to the French Revolution. Supposedly, she spoke the words "Let them eat cake" upon hearing how the peasantry had no bread to eat. But biographers and historians have found NO evidence that Marie uttered such words or anything similar, much like Clen hindering one’s cycle!

1. Clenbuterol induces muscle-specific attenuation of atrophy through effects on the ubiquitin-proteasome pathway
Tossaporn Yimlamai,1 Stephen L. Dodd,1 Stephen E. Borst,1,2 and Sooyeon Park1
http://jap.physiology.org/cgi/content/abstract/99/1/71

2. Role of IGF-I and IGFBPs in the changes of mass and phenotype induced in rat soleus muscle by clenbuterol
Bonaventure L. Awede1, Jean-Paul Thissen2, and Jean Lebacq1
http://ajpendo.physiology.org/cgi/co...ract/282/1/E31

3. Molecular impact of clenbuterol and isometric strength training on rat EDL muscles
Mounier, Rémi1; Cavalié, Hélian; Lac, Gérard; Clottes, Eric
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/search...ze=20&index=12

[Merc..]

Good read Magic...



Merc.

[cache49]

Kudos Magic.....

[Ashop]

Ive always like CLENBUTEROL very well and for a very good reason,,,it works.

[perfectbeast2001]

nice post mate. Iv'e always run clen during cycle with good results, I have heard many times that clen down regs or shuts down androgen receptors from various people. I have never seen any actual evidence produced on this though....

[cache49]

Great read....bump

[justincredible]

nice post mate. Iv'e always run clen during cycle with good results, I have heard many times that clen down regs or shuts down androgen receptors from various people. I have never seen any actual evidence produced on this though....

I agree!! This goes against what I previously believed, but when you think about it...it makes total sense. GREAT Read! Thanks!!!

[kif]

Great read magic....bump

[millionairemurph]

nice post magic, thanks

[GoldieTheMack]

Thanks, I wondering about this.

[Schmidty]

I absolutely luv clen , the only thing i dont like is when i dont have it. I use it on and off cycle, n luv it every time.

[N4cer]

Not a problem as long as you make up for the calories that it will burn off.