is it a real big deal?

[Primo2xl]

Ok imma start my frist cycle. test e 500 a week for 12 weeks, and then 2 weeks after last shot start my pct of nolvadex and clomid. Now the question is do i start both my clomid and nolvadex at the same time? and how about the HCG , when do i start and stop?
what if i cant get my hands on the clomid, is it a real big deal?

[StritationOrBust]

Ok imma start my frist cycle. test e 500 a week for 12 weeks, and then 2 weeks after last shot start my pct of nolvadex and clomid. Now the question is do i start both my clomid and nolvadex at the same time? and how about the HCG , when do i start and stop?
what if i cant get my hands on the clomid, is it a real big deal?

Yes, its a HUGE deal. Don't start your cycle without clomid.

Whats your stats? age, wt, bodyfat and training experience?

[seriousmass]

Yes, its a HUGE deal. Don't start your cycle without clomid.

Whats your stats? age, wt, bodyfat and training experience?

I completely disagree. You will recover fine with just nolva for a Test only cycle.

Obviously having clomid is good to stack with nolva for a PCT... but it isn't necessary for such a simple cycle.

You can use the HCG sometimes during the cycle... but I'd run it during the time between your last shot and PCT...

So if it is a 12 week cycle, I'd inject the HCG weeks 13 - 14.

[D7M]

You will recover fine with just nolva for a Test only cycle.

Obviously having clomid is good to stack with nolva for a PCT... but it isn't necessary for such a simple cycle.

You can use the HCG sometimes during the cycle... but I'd run it during the time between your last shot and PCT...

So if it is a 12 week cycle, I'd inject the HCG weeks 13 - 14.

I agree, well said.

[Primo2xl]

age24, 205lbs, 15% body fat, and working out hard for the last 4 or more years..

Ok imma start my frist cycle. test e 500 a week for 12 weeks, and then 2 weeks after last shot start my pct of nolvadex and clomid. Now the question is do i start both my clomid and nolvadex at the same time? and how about the HCG , when do i start and stop?
what if i cant get my hands on the clomid, is it a real big deal?

[GauchB]

yeah I don't think you will need clomid that I agree with, as well as HCG info good help seriousmass!!

[Primo2xl]

Thats whats up.. thanks for the help and the good info. How about the shots, how do i take them? do i just pick a day out the week and do it the same time the next week?

[*RAGE*]

Thats whats up.. thanks for the help and the good info. How about the shots, how do i take them? do i just pick a day out the week and do it the same time the next week?

dude did you not plan this out yet...

if you are doing 500mg a week you need to brake it up 250mg two time a week

bump for stats

[Primo2xl]

well yeah i been planning this out for some time now. i havent started and probly wont for like another two to three weeks. by Me just asking and getting awnsers back is a way to get some knowledge about what im gonna do, and how to do it. thats why i asked, and your reply helped me out. I rather be on the safe side and have a prity good idea of what im doing then not. if i dont feel like i know enoff i wont take anything. i love myself and my body first, b4 i put something into it that can dameg or hurt me.

ok so 250mg a week for the test e for 12 weeks. how about when i start the hcg on the 13th - 14th week how much and how much with the nolvadex to?

Like they used to say in school. if u dont know something or dont understand just ask?
and if u know something that i dont, then just think of your self as the teacher.

[lovex]

I completely disagree. You will recover fine with just nolva for a Test only cycle.

Obviously having clomid is good to stack with nolva for a PCT... but it isn't necessary for such a simple cycle.

You can use the HCG sometimes during the cycle... but I'd run it during the time between your last shot and PCT...

So if it is a 12 week cycle, I'd inject the HCG weeks 13 - 14.

I personally Say clomid is necessary...even for simple cycle as test e is enough to HPTA shut down....the better PCT is the faster u recovery.....

Nova/clomid is necessary....
HCG will great and very help

[Primo2xl]

well im gonna keep trying to get the clomid

[RuhlFreak55]

well im gonna keep trying to get the clomid

not like it's hard...if you can't find pharma grade the research chem places are just as good in most cases...

[Primo2xl]

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ok so 250mg a twice a week for the test e for 12 weeks. how about when i start the hcg on the 13th - 14th week how much and how much with the nolvadex and clomid?
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