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**newtosteroids** · 03-25-2008, 06:30 PM

give me some credit here longhorn, ive been working out 4-6 times a week for the last 7 years! im not some frail little teenager ok, ive build my body(which might not seem like much to you) from scratch. never had a single injuy, cause i work out correctly.my body is quite strong and healty, despite my size.

**Hudson** · 03-25-2008, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

yes Im fully aware of that, but this dude is looking to get big quick and thats not gonna happen..sure he may put on some weight, but his body isnt ready to grow that fast so once he's done, he's gonna lose his gains..not to mention rapid muscle growth on that small of a frame makes him more susceptible to injuries too..if you wanna grow, you gotta make a long term committment..not just a couple months to help you get ass...this guy is no different than all the spring breakers that come on here thinking winny will totally rip them up!!

No he don't want to get big, he says he wants to add about 10lbs. I think as he's done his personal trainer thing and has been working out for a number of years he probably has a good idea of how to train properly and minimize any chance of injury. I think that also makes him different to "all the spring breakers" that you're referring to.

I appreciate your consideration in trying to keep steroids out of the wrong hands and prevent people from damaging their health so don't misinterpret what i've said. I just think from what this guys said he's got a pretty good handle on diet and training and don't see aas as a magic bean. So we should try to help him get to where he wants safely and without judgement.

**longhorn814** · 03-25-2008, 06:42 PM

you fail to realize the importance of a solid diet..its actually 80% of everything in this game..when I started training I weighted 130 lbs..I now weigh 205 with about 10% bf and I never touched a steroid til i weighed 190 lbs and had been training for a long time..before i ever started steroids , I really learned how to eat properly and I made some of the best natural gains in my life once I learned how to properly eat..you cant just eat good on cycle, you have to eat good almost every day, whether on or off cycle if you want results

**longhorn814** · 03-25-2008, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by Hudson

No he don't want to get big, he says he wants to add about 10lbs. I think as he's done his personal trainer thing and has been working out for a number of years he probably has a good idea of how to train properly and minimize any chance of injury. I think that also makes him different to "all the spring breakers" that you're referring to.

I appreciate your consideration in trying to keep steroids out of the wrong hands and prevent people from damaging their health so don't misinterpret what i've said. I just think from what this guys said he's got a pretty good handle on diet and training and don't see aas as a magic bean. So we should try to help him get to where he wants safely and without judgement.

no he doesnt have a handle on his diet..if he did, he would know how to eat to build muscle..he even admitted that his diet isnt that good..besides he doesnt need steroids to add 10 lbs either

**evolution23** · 03-25-2008, 06:43 PM

Originally Posted by lex57

what is a yall? i dont understand......

i hope your joking but just in case your not it means you all or everyone.

**legobricks** · 03-25-2008, 06:45 PM

Originally Posted by VWbug66

hey newtosteroids...fuk the ppl gettin on your ass, im sick of those fuks to..serisously, arent we all mature here or what? i swear i bet yall ppl that arent mature are those dumb fukin drivers out there that go slow in the left lane...

but anyway dude..get a 3-4 bottles of test enanthate .
and get sum nolvadex and arimidex

that will be a good cycle for you and thats all you need..
good luck

NO FLAMING MEMBERS ON THIS BOARD !!!!!!!!

Originally Posted by VWbug66

im not flaming anybody dude..im just talking in general here..im not an ignorant person. i am educated. once again, just talking in general here.

Talking in general? Telling this guy "fuk these people gettin on ur ass" ? "Im sick of those fuks to" ? And this is talking in general? Seems to me that you are talking to everyone. I understand you may be educated but talking like this in general or towards a specific memebr IS flaming members and it will stop or you will be taking time off from the board.

**legobricks** · 03-25-2008, 06:48 PM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

you fail to realize the importance of a solid diet..its actually 80% of everything in this game..when I started training I weighted 130 lbs..I now weigh 205 with about 10% bf and I never touched a steroid til i weighed 190 lbs and had been training for a long time..before i ever started steroids, I really learned how to eat properly and I made some of the best natural gains in my life once I learned how to properly eat..you cant just eat good on cycle, you have to eat good almost every day, whether on or off cycle if you want results

You are making solid points that most people fail to realize. Thanx Longhorn.

AAS is not the end all magic bean here as a lot of newcomers to AAS thinks. ITs all about diet and how you utilize your diet to achieve muscle mass. Eating good on cycle you will gain a bit but then coming off and not maintaning that diet you will loose what you gain. You have to keep increasing your calories as your body grows or you will never maintain the new growth. ITs common knowledge.

**Hudson** · 03-25-2008, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

no he doesnt have a handle on his diet..if he did, he would know how to eat to build muscle..he even admitted that his diet isnt that good

Ok so just to clarify, since you didn't address any other of the other points i made i assume the only part you have a problem with is his diet?

**Hudson** · 03-25-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by legobricks

You are making solid points that most people fail to realize. Thanx Longhorn.

AAS is not the end all magic bean here as a lot of newcomers to AAS thinks. ITs all about diet and how you utilize your diet to achieve muscle mass. Eating good on cycle you will gain a bit but then coming off and not maintaning that diet you will loose what you gain. You have to keep increasing your calories as your body grows or you will never maintain the new growth. ITs common knowledge.

I'd hope everybody knows that and i'm sure the original poster does.

**longhorn814** · 03-25-2008, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by Hudson

I'd hope everybody knows that and i'm sure the original poster does.

well it appears you failed to realize that..if he wants to gain only 10 lbs or so..he doesnt need steroids ..that can easily be done by eating and extra 500 calories a day..his body has plenty of room to grow naturally..like previously stated..his diet isnt great, sure he may eat good if he goes on cycle, but once he goes off, his diet will most likely suck again and he will lose what he gains..the dude is going to Ibiza for the summer..he probably wont be training and eating like he should

**Hudson** · 03-25-2008, 07:01 PM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

well it appears you failed to realize that..if he wants to gain only 10 lbs or so..he doesnt need steroids..that can easily be done by eating and extra 500 calories a day..his body has plenty of room to grow naturally..like previously stated..his diet isnt great, sure he may eat good if he goes on cycle, but once he goes off, his diet will most likely suck again and he will lose what he gains..the dude is going to Ibiza for the summer..he probably wont be training and eating like he should

Ok so tell me what leads you to believe that I didn't realize that? I realize he could gain 10lbs naturally and newtosteroids has said the same I believe but he wants a bit of a kickstart and to get there quickly, what's so wrong with that?
Are you just sumizing as he's going to ibiza that he won't have a good diet and won't train properly? After you've finished with that crystal ball can I have a go? lol

**longhorn814** · 03-25-2008, 07:10 PM

the guy admits his diet isnt that great and you seem to think that its still a good idea for him to take steroids ..i posted the link to the bulking sticky..if he eats like that between now and the time he goes, he can probably gain the weight he wants if hes really dedicated to it

**jbonez19** · 03-25-2008, 07:10 PM

Originally Posted by Hudson

Hey Jbonez, I can understand where you're coming from and don't blame you for being a little hard on this guy as he didn't give the most pleasant reply to your response. However, I'm not not sure I go along with your and most other peoples idea of steroid abuse . Why is it abuse for a lighter guy to use steroids once or twice to help get to a healthy weight and feel good about himself yet a big strong guy can cycle as many times as he wants keep getting heavier or cutting body fat to unatural and unhealthy levels in search of perfection and everybody accepts this as ok? I'm not saying either is wrong I just don't think it's right that if someone just wants to make modest gains by using steroids they should be flamed for it (i'm not saying your flaming Jbonez, just generalizing) After all when steroids are prescribed by the doc what type of people do they prescribe them to? Usually underweight and sick people, right? Not 220lbs guys with 10% bf. Not wanting to start a war here guys just trying to give a little balance to the arguement.

Peace

the reason that i was being harsh is his attitude. this was the second thread that he started because he didn't get the answers that he wanted to hear immediately. then he started telling people how they should answer or not at all. using a substance to gain an amount of muscle that you could easily gain naturally with a bit of research, hard work and time is abuse in my book. using steroids because you are "all about the superficial" is a joke imo. getting on the juice because you wanna look buff in ibiza is just laughable to me, and characterizing it as he needs to use them to obtain a "healthy weight" is irresponsible of you. this guys goals are less than admirable and so has the whole way he's gone about it, that's why this thread has degenerated into a mess. he keeps disregarding every piece of information people give him and arrogantly keeps trying to pull everyone back to the primo winny thing. personally i think he is a bit of a jerk, and i question you for standing up for someone who wants to do AS for "superficial resaons". good luck to you both.

**jbonez19** · 03-25-2008, 07:24 PM

Originally Posted by Hudson

Ok so tell me what leads you to believe that I didn't realize that? I realize he could gain 10lbs naturally and newtosteroids has said the same I believe but he wants a bit of a kickstart and to get there quickly, what's so wrong with that?
Are you just sumizing as he's going to ibiza that he won't have a good diet and won't train properly? After you've finished with that crystal ball can I have a go? lol

he wants a bit of a kickstart and to get there quickly. are you serious?? there's plenty wrong with that. i think you will find that your ideas are out of step with most of the long time members of this forum. perhaps you need to sit back and watch how some of the vets answer this kind of thread. i now believe that you also need to have a good look at your attitude to steroid use . i think you are a little bit confused, and that is a little dangerous for you to hold onto those ideas. stop trying to argue with longhorn, his advice is far more mature and responsible than what you are proposing. be a man admit you were wrong and leave it at that. your smartass comments are just serving to discredit you, and make you look silly.

**Hudson** · 03-25-2008, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by jbonez19

the reason that i was being harsh is his attitude. this was the second thread that he started because he didn't get the answers that he wanted to hear immediately. then he started telling people how they should answer or not at all. using a substance to gain an amount of muscle that you could easily gain naturally with a bit of research, hard work and time is abuse in my book. using steroids because you are "all about the superficial" is a joke imo. getting on the juice because you wanna look buff in ibiza is just laughable to me. this guys goals are less than admirable and so has the whole way he's gone about it, that's why this thread has degenerated into a mess. he keeps disregarding every piece of information people give him and arrogantly keeps trying to pull everyone back to the primo winny thing. personally i think he is a bit of a jerk, and i question you for standing up for someone who wants to do AS for "superficial resaons". good luck to you both.

I agree that some of his comments have been poor and i'm not standing up for anyone just in what I believe in, as is everybody else. But I can't get my head around "superficial reasons" are you saying the only people that should take aas are people that take it for professional purposes? As opposed to superficial ones? Because I'd of thought 90% of aas use was for superficial purposes, maybe a few % for professional purposes. And who's to say that it's any better doing aas for professional purposes (money) rather than as you say superficial reasons (which may also increase esteem, confidence and mental health etc)

**Hudson** · 03-25-2008, 07:30 PM

Originally Posted by jbonez19

he wants a bit of a kickstart and to get there quickly. are you serious?? there's plenty wrong with that. i think you will find that your ideas are out of step with most of the long time members of this forum. perhaps you need to sit back and watch how some of the vets answer this kind of thread. i now believe that you also need to have a good look at your attitude to steroid use. i think you are a little bit confused, and that is a little dangerous for you to hold onto those ideas.

I know my ideas don't go along with the norm around here, you only need to look at this thread to realize that lol

But i've sat here and listened to numerous views asked questions been questioned back but i've still not heard a valid arguement as to why this is wrong. If you'd like to enlighten me i'd like to hear it.

**jbonez19** · 03-25-2008, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by Hudson

I know my ideas don't go along with the norm around here, you only need to look at this thread to realize that lol

But i've sat here and listened to numerous views asked questions been questioned back but i've still not heard a valid arguement as to why this is wrong. If you'd like to enlighten me i'd like to hear it.

no i wouldn't like to enlighten you, i don't have the patience or the time. longhorn was trying to "enlighten" you both smarstass, but all you do is argue. oh, and your ideas go against the norm because they are mis-guided and potentially dangerous. you seem to think we are discussing taking aspirin here.

**Charger527** · 03-25-2008, 07:36 PM

i think everyone agrees that he should be quite easly able to gain 10lbs naturally. have you tried supplements have you looked at all your options before going to aas. i cant understand why you would want aas just to gain 10lbs. if that is your only goal....

**Hudson** · 03-25-2008, 07:40 PM

Originally Posted by jbonez19

no i wouldn't like to enlighten you, i don't have the patience or the time.

LOL ok, try to have a bit of a debate and maybe learn something and thats the reply you give. To most people that would seem to be saying that you don't have an answer!

**Charger527** · 03-25-2008, 07:44 PM

you guys should start your own thread

**jbonez19** · 03-25-2008, 07:44 PM

Originally Posted by Hudson

LOL ok, try to have a bit of a debate and maybe learn something and thats the reply you give. To most people that would seem to be saying that you don't have an answer!

if you want to learn something, shut your smart mouth an go and read the ed. section.

**Big** · 03-25-2008, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by Hudson

LOL ok, try to have a bit of a debate and maybe learn something and thats the reply you give. To most people that would seem to be saying that you don't have an answer!

The fact of the matter is that most of us on this site recommend following a proper diet and proper training until someone reaches or at least approaches their natural potential before they start considering steroids . This guy's pic and stats clearly indicate that his natural potential is far away, and his goals are obtainable naturally. Jbonez has made excellent points in just about all of his posts, if you don't agree with him then simply agree to disagree, but you should not conclude that he does not have an answer simply because you don't like the answers he has already provided.

**nowdenlid** · 03-25-2008, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by jbonez19

good luck jerkoff.

come on man grow up ,there is no need for this at all.......i did read befor edit........lol...

**Hudson** · 03-25-2008, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by jbonez19

no i wouldn't like to enlighten you, i don't have the patience or the time. longhorn was trying to "enlighten" you both smarstass, but all you do is argue. oh, and your ideas go against the norm because they are mis-guided and potentially dangerous. you seem to think we are discussing taking aspirin here.

No need to flame. Just because I have a decent vocabulary don't mean i'm a smart ass. I wasn't arguing with longhorn I was debating with him, I'm sorry but you might just swallow whatever you get told but I like to here something to back it up. Just because I go against the general consenus it don't mean my views are neither misguided or dangerous, if you're that concerned about my views please explain for the benefit of everyone instead of throwing a tantrum!

**Hudson** · 03-25-2008, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by Big

The fact of the matter is that most of us on this site recommend following a proper diet and proper training until someone reaches or at least approaches their natural potential before they start considering steroids. This guy's pic and stats clearly indicate that his natural potential is far away, and his goals are obtainable naturally. Jbonez has made excellent points in just about all of his posts, if you don't agree with him then simply agree to disagree, but you should not conclude that he does not have an answer simply because you don't like the answers he has already provided.

My conclusion didn't come from the fact that I didn't like his answers but from the FACT that he point blank refused to answer me!

**Hudson** · 03-25-2008, 07:50 PM

Originally Posted by nowdenlid

come on man grow up ,there is no need for this at all.......i did read befor edit........lol...

Jbonez lol how old are you? Real mature lol

**Big** · 03-25-2008, 07:52 PM

Originally Posted by Hudson

My conclusion didn't come from the fact that I didn't like his answers but from the FACT that he point blank refused to answer me!

How about we stop hijacking this guy's thread, just pm each other if you both want to debate this. I think the original poster's questions have been addressed.

**jbonez19** · 03-25-2008, 07:52 PM

i'm done.

**longhorn814** · 03-25-2008, 07:53 PM

i answered you and I feel like a broken record b/c i had to repeat myself so many times..its 10 lbs..he doesnt need steroids at his size..learn to eat its that simple!!! telling people to use steroids when theyre not ready will only be detrimental to them in the long run..they will never understand how to properly grow and will rely on them as a crutch and head down the road to abuse..

**nowdenlid** · 03-25-2008, 07:54 PM

in before lock.............................

**Hudson** · 03-25-2008, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by Big

How about we stop hijacking this guy's thread, just pm each other if you both want to debate this. I think the original poster's questions have been addressed.

I apologize for hijacking this guys thread, I was merely trying to get to the bottom of this argument for the sake of people in a similar situation. It's unfortunate that some people are unable to debate properly and keep their cool. I'm sure everyone will come to their own conclusions. Good luck to all, whatever their aspirations!

Peace

**Hudson** · 03-25-2008, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by longhorn814

i answered you and I feel like a broken record b/c i had to repeat myself so many times..its 10 lbs..he doesnt need steroids at his size..learn to eat its that simple!!! telling people to use steroids when theyre not ready will only be detrimental to them in the long run..they will never understand how to properly grow and will rely on them as a crutch and head down the road to abuse..

Sorry last one, just wanted to clarify, I've never told anyone to use steroids .

**jbonez19** · 03-25-2008, 08:05 PM

Originally Posted by Hudson

I apologize for hijacking this guys thread, I was merely trying to get to the bottom of this argument for the sake of people in a similar situation. It's unfortunate that some people are unable to debate properly and keep their cool. I'm sure everyone will come to their own conclusions. Good luck to all, whatever their aspirations!

Peace

you were given the answers, you were just being an antagonistic pain in the butt. which is now obvious to everyone. peace.

**jbonez19** · 03-25-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Hudson

Sorry last one, just wanted to clarify, I've never told anyone to use steroids.

no, you're just arguing against people who are advising him not to. why don't you just quit while you're behind.

**Merc..** · 03-25-2008, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by Big

How about we stop hijacking this guy's thread, just pm each other if you both want to debate this. I think the original poster's questions have been addressed.

AGREE !! ^^

THREAD CLOSED !!!