feeling like a girl can I take some nolvadex ?

**mister bator** · 04-15-2008, 08:05 AM

Hi, I'm on 500mg test and 500mg deca .
Lately I feel a little too sensitive and sure it's due excess estrogen/prolactin.
I know that nolvadex can make you more prone to deca-gyno when you're using deca but what if I take some vitamine B6 with it ??

My a-dex is coming so this would be a temporary solution cause I don;t wanna feel like crying all the time when something bad happens LOL

**Kale** · 04-15-2008, 08:09 AM

Your Deca dose is too high IMO. I would back that down to 300mg if I was you.

**mister bator** · 04-15-2008, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Kale

Your Deca dose is too high IMO. I would back that down to 300mg if I was you.

Why would it be to high ? I've seen people taking higher doses of deca so please explain yourself

**mick86** · 04-15-2008, 08:19 AM

Im not sure that taking the tamoxifen is going to make things any better, and I would be concerned that it may make things worse. Especially if your problems are related to progesterone which they most likely are. Taking Nolva as you probably know will result in more estrogen floating around with which the progesterone can interact with and turn you into a big wuss. The B6 is a safer option from what I have read.

Dropping the deca dosage like Kale said seems like a good idea, and as for a short term fix I wonder if raising the test dosage temporarily would help.

Btw you better be prepared because im guessing that your going to get flamed from a few people for not having an AI on hand.

Hope that was of some help, I'm no expert so sorry if my advice was completely wrong, lol.

**almostgone** · 04-15-2008, 08:21 AM

Many seem to react better when the test dosage is kept higher than Deca dosage.

AG

Originally Posted by mister bator

Why would it be to high ? I've seen people taking higher doses of deca so please explain yourself

**mister bator** · 04-15-2008, 08:28 AM

Originally Posted by mick86

Im not sure that taking the tamoxifen is going to make things any better, and I would be concerned that it may make things worse. Especially if your problems are related to progesterone which they most likely are. Taking Nolva as you probably know will result in more estrogen floating around with which the progesterone can interact with and turn you into a big wuss. The B6 is a safer option from what I have read.

Dropping the deca dosage like Kale said seems like a good idea, and as for a short term fix I wonder if raising the test dosage temporarily would help.

Btw you better be prepared because im guessing that your going to get flamed from a few people for not having an AI on hand.

Hope that was of some help, I'm no expert so sorry if my advice was completely wrong, lol.

well..I've got proviron and nolvadex . But my guess is that proviron isnt gonna do much for me

I'm gonna get me some B6 just now and see how it turns out and lower the deca a bit next shot.

How long will it take for the B6 to do its work ?

**mick86** · 04-15-2008, 08:43 AM

I have not seen any studies on the length of time that B6 takes to start working but since it is usually recommended to start taking B6 at the same time you begin your cycle I would guess that it is rather quick. If it took a week or two to begin working I would think that people would be recommending that you begin it a week or two before starting your cycle.

Slightly off topic did you read the thread by Elexecution about B6 affecting gainsby 35%?
B6 hinders gains a ton?
I dont knoiw if there is anything to back that up but its quite a claim.

**mister bator** · 04-15-2008, 09:12 AM

Originally Posted by mick86

I have not seen any studies on the length of time that B6 takes to start working but since it is usually recommended to start taking B6 at the same time you begin your cycle I would guess that it is rather quick. If it took a week or two to begin working I would think that people would be recommending that you begin it a week or two before starting your cycle.

Slightly off topic did you read the thread by Elexecution about B6 affecting gainsby 35%?
B6 hinders gains a ton?
I dont knoiw if there is anything to back that up but its quite a claim.

yeah I just read it, but I wonder if its true

just got me some vitamine b6, didn't know that was kind of tricky to get cause they immediately asked why I needed that amount and they're eyes where kind of sceptic...
I told them I had a condition that was prolactin related and that my nipples where beginning to get sore and a little bit bigger (wich they are right now, not much, its still sexy LOL)

**mick86** · 04-15-2008, 10:45 AM

Lol thats funny, I have more than 200 200mg tablets at hom and more else where but I bought them one 42 capsule bottle at a time. I imagine I may have gotten a similar query had I bought them all at once.

Whats funny is lately the brands I am buying are marketed as a womens supplement for PMS and they come in pink bottles....I always feel like a weirdo buying them, lol. If they ask me next time (which wont be for a while because ive really stocked up) I should just say that I am a trans gender and its that time of the month. I doubt that they would ask any more questions after that!

**Schmidty** · 04-15-2008, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by mister bator

Why would it be to high ? I've seen people taking higher doses of deca so please explain yourself

Just because other people take that much dont mean u can handel it. Theirs people who run grams of gear a wk but im not going to just cause thay can. go down to at least 400mg ew if i were u.

**mkrulic** · 04-15-2008, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by mister bator

Hi, I'm on 500mg test and 500mg deca .
Lately I feel a little too sensitive and sure it's due excess estrogen/prolactin.
I know that nolvadex can make you more prone to deca-gyno when you're using deca but what if I take some vitamine B6 with it ??

My a-dex is coming so this would be a temporary solution cause I don;t wanna feel like crying all the time when something bad happens LOL

sounds like unstable blood levels. how often do you inject?

**mister bator** · 04-15-2008, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by mkrulic

sounds like unstable blood levels. how often do you inject?

Every monday. In a previous thread someone adviced me to split it up to twice a week but I can't do it twice a week and I'm allready in week 7 and just got this girly/wuzzy feeling.

Vitamine B6 seems to work a little allready I think btw

**Peducho0113** · 04-15-2008, 02:51 PM

Why can you splid it up?

**makembyte** · 04-15-2008, 03:04 PM

wouldnt some kind of dex fix this?liquidex or arimidex ?

**makembyte** · 04-15-2008, 03:08 PM

i know nolv works for man boobs but doesnt supress estrogen

**millionairemurph** · 04-15-2008, 05:13 PM

tamox is an estrogen receptor modulator, it blocks estrogen in your breast tissue. What you need (if your estrogen is too high) is an ai like adex or letro. An ai will inhibit aromatazxation of test and other steroids to estrogen.
B6, bromo and caber will help or fix prog sides, but 500 decca isnt crazy high or anything. i did 600 ew for my first and didnt have any probs, but you can always take some caber ust to be safe

**usmc8892** · 04-15-2008, 08:19 PM

bro, get your a-dex, you'll then be fine the estro side. if you want something to help with progesterone, get some Vitex, it's a cheaper alternative to caber, and works better than b6. hope this helps.

also, drop your deca to 300 mg / week. deca's half life is 14 days, it stays with you a while. at 500 mg per week, by week 5 you have right at a gram in your system. do you really want progesterone induced gyno?? that type of gyno almost always ends in surgery.

**james21** · 04-15-2008, 08:26 PM

if you want to running that proviron will help some. i wouldnt rely on b6 though i would definately have caber. This is a good example of "be prepared" and have everything on hand when starting a cycle.

**mick86** · 04-16-2008, 12:11 AM

Originally Posted by makembyte

wouldnt some kind of dex fix this?liquidex or arimidex?

liquidex is arimidex , they are one in the same. Specifically liquidex is arimidex in liquid form but its sometimes used as slang I believe, even if its in tablet/powder form.

**kickback** · 04-16-2008, 08:07 PM

I would bet that the proviron will make you feel like a man again, that is what it is made for. It also works against estrogen. If you already have it, give it a try, it seems to work in just a couple of days since it has a short half life. I use it to combat deca dick.