critic my 16 week cycle

**madchem** · 05-15-2008, 10:04 AM

Stats:
2nd cycle
12 yrs in the gym
age: 30
5'10
200 lb
approx 10% bf

1-10 test cyp 500mg per wk

10-16 tren 75mg EOD
10-16 T3

10-16 test cyp 250mg per wk

1-19 letro 1/4tab E3rd day= approx 21mg/day

19-21 hcg 1500 units/week

19-23 nolva 20mg/day for wk 19, then 10mg/day for wk 20, then 5mg/day to finish

**Dukkit** · 05-15-2008, 10:13 AM

Why are you tapering the Test off at week 10?? Oh i see, your starting the Tren . I usually run 300 Mg of Test when i run Tren. Your Tren dose isnt very high. But if thats what works for you. What was your previous cycle? Your running the Nolva and Hcg for your PCT?

**jeffefrijoles** · 05-15-2008, 10:16 AM

May want to add an AI to your PCT, such as Aromisin in conjunction with the HCG and Nolva.

**madchem** · 05-15-2008, 10:22 AM

my last cycle was test cyp only at 500mg per week, i ran nolva and clomid for my last pct but i have heard good things about hcg on how it can really get the hpta axis back in balance rather quickly.

**Dukkit** · 05-15-2008, 10:24 AM

Yea, definitly run the HCG . Especially with running the Tren . But like jeff suggested. add an AI to your PCT.

**madchem** · 05-15-2008, 10:30 AM

at what dose do you run tren when at 300mg of test per week? I have given some thought to maintaining the test at 500mg/wk for the duration of the cycle and adding tren.

**Dukkit** · 05-15-2008, 10:34 AM

Originally Posted by madchem

at what dose do you run tren when at 300mg of test per week? I have given some thought to maintaining the test at 500mg/wk for the duration of the cycle and adding tren.

I run my Tren at 100mg EOD or more. I have gone up to 500mg total for the week. Good gains. and no real sides. But thats me.
I like to lower the Test when adding Tren. Lets you get full affects of the Tren without the test getting it they. Just run enough test to keep you up.

**madchem** · 05-15-2008, 10:41 AM

gonna make the adjustment: tren start 100mg/eod, test-cyp reduce to 300mg/wk

do you find t3 effective at all, or would you even bother with it?

thanks for the advice!

**Bulldog1115** · 05-15-2008, 11:05 AM

I think HCG begins 2 weeks after last test shot not 3...research that tho! and keep the nolva dosage at 20 mg/d throughout PCT, you want your natty test levels to be back to normal ASAP! And i think you should start your tren in the begining of the cycle to kickstart !

**lex57** · 05-15-2008, 11:15 AM

i think its ok except the ai in the pct. i dont think its so bad to taper the test. thats my opinion i am sure others disagree.

**Dukkit** · 05-15-2008, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Bulldog1115

I think HCG begins 2 weeks after last test shot not 3...research that tho! and keep the nolva dosage at 20 mg/d throughout PCT, you want your natty test levels to be back to normal ASAP! And i think you should start your tren in the begining of the cycle to kickstart !

no he can run the Tren the last 6 weeks. He would see results faster if he ran it in the first 6 weeks. But will get the gains nontheless from what he has planned. Just make sure to run the Test longer then the Tren. Though you are using a Long Acting Ester so your good with the test. You can run the HCG for the last week of the cycle then during PCT. Thats what I do and recover just fine.

**Bulldog1115** · 05-15-2008, 11:21 AM

i disagree...NEVER taper the dosage on Test. its unessassary

**Bulldog1115** · 05-15-2008, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by dukkitdalaw

no he can run the Tren the last 6 weeks. He would see results faster if he ran it in the first 6 weeks. But will get the gains nontheless from what he has planned. Just make sure to run the Test longer then the Tren. Though you are using a Long Acting Ester so your good with the test. You can run the HCG for the last week of the cycle then during PCT. Thats what I do and recover just fine.

thank you!

**Dukkit** · 05-15-2008, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by lex57

i think its ok except the ai in the pct. i dont think its so bad to taper the test. thats my opinion i am sure others disagree.

he can taper it. i thought he was tapering it to come off it. Which doesnt really have any science behind it. but he is lowering it to run with the Tren . Which is fine.

**Dukkit** · 05-15-2008, 11:23 AM

Originally Posted by Bulldog1115

thank you!

sure

**Bulldog1115** · 05-15-2008, 11:28 AM

yah i guess!

**Dukkit** · 05-15-2008, 11:30 AM

Originally Posted by Bulldog1115

i disagree...NEVER taper the dosage on Test. its unessassary

hmmm, yes but he is using Tren the last 6 weeks. You will see the most results and less sides off the Tren by lowering the Test dosage. So he can either run the test at 300 the whole time. which will not provide the gains hes looking for. or he can lower it. but If you lower it... maybe lower it a week or 2 before starting the Tren. Because... it is a long ester. So when you start the Tren, your test levels will still be high. Eh, its tough to make work.

**Dukkit** · 05-15-2008, 11:32 AM

oh oh oh, and are you running Tren A or Tren E MADCHEM?? i should of asked that first!!
Im going to guess Tren A cuz of your dosing schedule, but you can never be sure... LOL so just to clarify.

**madchem** · 05-15-2008, 11:34 AM

i am running fina convert tren a

**gangers** · 05-15-2008, 11:34 AM

i did not know you could run a 16 week steroid cycle.

and also what is hcg ????

**Dukkit** · 05-15-2008, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by gangers

i did not know you could run a 16 week steroid cycle.

and also what is hcg????

whew, you can and ppl do run.. year long cycles. But thats only for the pros.
and look on the main homepage of this site, go to steroid profiles. and read up on the HCG .
oh, here ya go.. HCG info
Anabolic Review Profile: HCG (Human Chorionic Gonadatropin)

**madchem** · 05-15-2008, 11:39 AM

not sure about the T3 compound, from what Ive read its pretty controversial not in the ability to reduce the secretion of TSH but possible damage to the thyroid

**Dukkit** · 05-15-2008, 11:40 AM

Originally Posted by madchem

not sure about the T3 compound, from what Ive read its pretty controversial not in the ability to reduce the secretion of TSH but possible damage to the thyroid

yea i cant help ya about that. do a search and youll come up with alot of info.

**lex57** · 05-15-2008, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Bulldog1115

i disagree...NEVER taper the dosage on Test. its unessassary

well i would say you are wrong my friend to say NEVER. in the medical field it is practiced quite often to wean patients off of anabolic steroids , testosterone included. first you say "NEVER", then "yah i guess". not trying to give you a hard time but research it. google "weaning off anabolic steroids " and read some of the articles. i dont do it personally but next run i was thinking about it. thats why i said i didnt have a proplem with the tapering, it definitely has its place. jmo.

**ChuckLee** · 05-15-2008, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by Bulldog1115

i disagree...NEVER taper the dosage on Test. its unessassary

Agreed with lex

**madchem** · 05-15-2008, 12:57 PM

I will be tapering the test cyp just as i start the tren ace only. At the end of the cycle the aas will stop at once ie tren and tcyp, leaving the long ester of the cyp to clear the body.