Pre-Contest Cycle Critique

**JAY_WD** · 06-17-2008, 08:37 PM

Thinkin about doin a show on 11th Oct.

Current stats:

95kg
13.6% Fat
1 previous cycle - Enan/Eq both 600mg EW for 12 Weeks (Oct 2007)

Daily numbers for Diet will be 350g Protein, approx 200g Carbs, 60g Fats (Good fats)

Cardio 30 mins empty stomach in morning and 20 mins after evening weight training.

See attached cutting cycle, critque as much as you like. Ideas welcome.

Will have caber on hand during cycle too!

Thanks guys!

**Bulldog1115** · 06-17-2008, 10:31 PM

fuccking awesome cycle bro goodluck! its to bad i am stupid and take steroids , i have low self esteem and will look like a freak

**smokethedays** · 06-17-2008, 10:41 PM

Originally Posted by JAY_WD

Thinkin about doin a show on 11th Oct.

Current stats:

95kg
13.6% Fat
1 previous cycle - Enan/Eq both 600mg EW for 12 Weeks (Oct 2007)

Daily numbers for Diet will be 350g Protein, approx 200g Carbs, 60g Fats (Good fats)

Cardio 30 mins empty stomach in morning and 20 mins after evening weight training.

See attached cutting cycle, critque as much as you like. Ideas welcome.

Will have caber on hand during cycle too!

Thanks guys!

All is good except one thing, IMO cardio on empty stomach is not good. you should at least have some whey protien. You'll be using your muscle tissue for fueling.
I used to believe in cardio on empty stomach, but recently been working around some elite BBers who corrected that for me.
Good luck bro.

**JAY_WD** · 06-18-2008, 12:24 AM

Originally Posted by smokethedays

All is good except one thing, IMO cardio on empty stomach is not good. you should at least have some whey protien. You'll be using your muscle tissue for fueling.
I used to believe in cardio on empty stomach, but recently been working around some elite BBers who corrected that for me.
Good luck bro.

I will be consuming a large amount of Amino acids prior to cardio to preserve muscle. Will this suffice?

What about my timing and transitions into different compounds??

**JAY_WD** · 06-18-2008, 04:57 AM

bump..

**M302_Imola** · 06-18-2008, 09:42 AM

Looks good bro! The only suggestion I have is you might want to taper the clen down toward the end of the 2 weeks.

**teufelhundenjwa** · 06-18-2008, 09:52 AM

Jay, that cycle looks great. 1 question, not sure if you can say but I'll ask anyway. What does something like that cost (ball park estimate)?

**magicstick2003** · 06-18-2008, 10:20 AM

no need to cut the clen out for two weeks. run benadryl ED E3W. it will help upregulate the receptors.

**Bigmax** · 06-18-2008, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by JAY_WD

I will be consuming a large amount of Amino acids prior to cardio to preserve muscle. Will this suffice?

What about my timing and transitions into different compounds??

yes bro,that will be fine...Bcaa's and some glutamine keep you good.

**TJM7275** · 06-18-2008, 03:30 PM

Good Luck Jay... Your should start a pre-contest workout/Juicing Log and throw aome pictures up man. All the best to you

PT · 06-18-2008, 04:08 PM

i wouldnt run two dht's together if i were you. i would stop the masteron and immediatly start the winny. i also perfer to keep a steady test dose instead of jumping and i think its a little to long

**JAY_WD** · 06-18-2008, 04:32 PM

Originally Posted by pietro75

i wouldnt run two dht's together if i were you. i would stop the masteron and immediatly start the winny. i also perfer to keep a steady test dose instead of jumping and i think its a little to long

Thanks Pietro, good info, i will take into consideration. how many weeks would you run this cycle??

**JAY_WD** · 06-18-2008, 04:33 PM

Originally Posted by TJM7275

Good Luck Jay... Your should start a pre-contest workout/Juicing Log and throw aome pictures up man. All the best to you

Think i may...will let you guys know.

**JAY_WD** · 06-18-2008, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by teufelhundenjwa

Jay, that cycle looks great. 1 question, not sure if you can say but I'll ask anyway. What does something like that cost (ball park estimate)?

tren is from Fina and Masteron was very cheap from a mate and prop is from a bladder so it wasnt too expensive for me. i was pretty lucky.

the thing that cost the most was all the 10ml vials i has to buy lol!!

**malidfa** · 06-18-2008, 08:46 PM

looks good mate

**JAY_WD** · 06-19-2008, 12:19 AM

more feedback, where are the vets??

**malidfa** · 06-19-2008, 04:28 AM

hey bro check ur email

**new_user** · 06-19-2008, 04:33 AM

why using masteron with winstrol ?

**GreekDiesel** · 06-19-2008, 06:00 AM

Originally Posted by JAY_WD

Thinkin about doin a show on 11th Oct.

Current stats:

95kg
13.6% Fat
1 previous cycle - Enan/Eq both 600mg EW for 12 Weeks (Oct 2007)

Daily numbers for Diet will be 350g Protein, approx 200g Carbs, 60g Fats (Good fats)

Cardio 30 mins empty stomach in morning and 20 mins after evening weight training.

See attached cutting cycle, critque as much as you like. Ideas welcome.

Will have caber on hand during cycle too!

Thanks guys!

Hey bro, cycle looks well planned out! I definitely agree that you should at least be taking in some bcaas and glutamine before cardio. Me personally, I take in a protein shake with oats about an hour before I work out. Also, If you'd like to cut down on cardio time give HIIT (High Intensity Interval Training) a try. There's has been some new research done surrounding this type of training and it's suppose to be better than longer more sustained cardio. I do 17 mins of cardio a day and I've been shedding pounds, 2-3 lbs a week. My diet has slightly less calories than yours (285 protein, 210 carbs, 40 fats), about 2,350 calories.

**HRTC** · 06-19-2008, 06:17 AM

Nice cycle. What is the caber used for?

**SVTmuscle** · 06-19-2008, 08:17 AM

Originally Posted by HRTC

Nice cycle. What is the caber used for?

Bring the nuts back!

That's alot of gear man! If you don't get diced in those 13 weeks just do a pie eating contest and quit!

**jstraw428** · 06-19-2008, 03:30 PM

I would stop taking your injections a couple of days befrore the show, if your bf gets ow enough, the oil can really smooth out your muscles appearance.....with the compounds you are running, you should have your last injection on wed and just double up on the doses......

PT · 06-19-2008, 03:44 PM

i take back what i said about the length. it not really to long for a pre contest cycle. you dont need to frontload when using prop though

**shread** · 06-19-2008, 06:08 PM

hcg could be recommended when using tren for more than 8 wks

**JAY_WD** · 06-20-2008, 03:04 AM

Originally Posted by jstraw428

I would stop taking your injections a couple of days befrore the show, if your bf gets ow enough, the oil can really smooth out your muscles appearance.....with the compounds you are running, you should have your last injection on wed and just double up on the doses......

Great info!! Will amend cycle to cater for this. Thanks

**JAY_WD** · 06-20-2008, 03:05 AM

Originally Posted by new_user

why using masteron with winstrol?

yeah not sure about this. whats everyones opinion??

ok to do for 4-6 weeks or should it be just one or the other?

PT · 06-20-2008, 03:26 AM

you can run the masteron for the first 10 weeks then run the winny for the final 6 weeks. i assume your using masteron prop?

**dd0316** · 06-20-2008, 08:08 PM

killer cycle...that would be 2 many needles for me though..all the power to ya for having the guts and stamina to pin for what it looks like to be everyday.

Good luck and i hope to see a cycle log

**JAY_WD** · 06-21-2008, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by pietro75

you can run the masteron for the first 10 weeks then run the winny for the final 6 weeks. i assume your using masteron prop?

yes its the prop ester

**JAY_WD** · 06-22-2008, 04:14 PM

Quick question, can i mix any of these three compounds to save pinning 3 times per day??

**JAY_WD** · 06-22-2008, 05:15 PM

Originally Posted by JAY_WD

Quick question, can i mix any of these three compounds to save pinning 3 times per day??

bump for answer

**JAY_WD** · 06-22-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by JAY_WD

Quick question, can i mix any of these three compounds to save pinning 3 times per day??

:bump:

**eljugo16** · 06-23-2008, 07:54 PM

from my understanding you can mix oil based compounds ok. just dont put 3ccs in your delts. for an amount like that i recommend glutes

**eljugo16** · 06-23-2008, 07:54 PM

bump

**200byjune** · 06-23-2008, 08:03 PM

yup you can mix no worrys

**JrSantos** · 06-23-2008, 09:16 PM

Im 210 lb 45% fat im doing this cycle..Im using winstrol and deca ..i want to know if im doing the right thing.help please!

Week | winstrol| Deca Durabolin

1 ------ 100 Mg*-------400 Mg week
*every other day
2 100mg* --------400 mg week

3 100mg*---------400mg week

4 100mg*---------400 mg week

5 50mg*----------200 mg week

6 50mg*---------200 mg week

**NATE0406** · 06-23-2008, 09:20 PM

Originally Posted by JrSantos

Im 210 lb 45% fat im doing this cycle..Im using winstrol and deca ..i want to know if im doing the right thing.help please!

Week | winstrol| Deca Durabolin

1 ------ 100 Mg*-------400 Mg week
*every other day
2 100mg* --------400 mg week

3 100mg*---------400mg week

4 100mg*---------400 mg week

5 50mg*----------200 mg week

6 50mg*---------200 mg week

are you serious??? no you are not doing the rite thing. start a thread of your own and we will help you out.

**JAY_WD** · 06-23-2008, 10:04 PM

oooh i've always wanted to do this...........

yay!!

**JAY_WD** · 06-23-2008, 10:05 PM

whats does everyone think of my T3 dosing? should i ramp up and down or keep at a constant dose?? if constant dose, is 50mcg enough for fat burning effects??