arimidex hinder gains? true?

**Elias** · 06-29-2008, 10:06 AM

true or false?

**infostalk** · 06-29-2008, 10:17 AM

false...
Arimidex lowers estrogen levels in postmenopausal women, which may slow the growth of certain types of breast tumors that need estrogen to grow in the body.

at what point does it hinder your testosterone ? no bro its mainly used to suppress estrogen at a rate of 90+ percent and keeping water weight down

**Elias** · 06-29-2008, 10:32 AM

supressing estrogen too much can hinder gains as i was reading that u need estrogen to build muscles....damn am worried now

**infostalk** · 06-29-2008, 10:42 AM

i always take .50 - 1mg ED during cycle. i havent ever noticed anything bro

**LATS60** · 06-29-2008, 11:12 AM

Originally Posted by Elias

supressing estrogen too much can hinder gains as i was reading that u need estrogen to build muscles....damn am worried now

Infostalk has already pointed out that an AI will not lower estrogen levels to zero. I think it's more like 75-80%, but could be wrong.
AROMATASE is an enzyme found in the liver, it's responsible for the conversion of the androgens ANDROSTENEDIONE and TESTOSTERONE into the estrogens ESTRONE and ESTRADIOL. By inhibiting aromatase the body produces less estrogen and maintains a higher testosterone state.
So the answer to your Q is false.

**infostalk** · 06-29-2008, 11:48 AM

Originally Posted by LATS60

Infostalk has already pointed out that an AI will not lower estrogen levels to zero. I think it's more like 75-80%, but could be wrong.
AROMATASE is an enzyme found in the liver, it's responsible for the conversion of the androgens ANDROSTENEDIONE and TESTOSTERONE into the estrogens ESTRONE and ESTRADIOL. By inhibiting aromatase the body produces less estrogen and maintains a higher testosterone state.
So the answer to your Q is false.

DAMN! that ****er blew me outta the water! dude listen to the doctor up there! i know the theory behind what i take but never get into strict strict details im already constantly studying for classes as it is.

**dece870717** · 06-29-2008, 01:43 PM

No it is actually True, AI will hinder your gains. Estrogen Will It Effect My Gains "Estrogen has been connected to increasing GH and IGF-1 . Testosterone 's effects are dependent on aromatization to estrogen... "

**infostalk** · 06-29-2008, 01:53 PM

id rather hinder some gains but continue to block unnecc estrogen and end up with bitch tits than gain an extra 2 lbs in muscle and rebound with Double D's...

thats my honest opinion. im the more precautionary type and not the what happens now that it happens... thats when shit hits the fan lol

great find tho

**Elias** · 06-29-2008, 05:35 PM

if it does hinder it.....how much does it hinder it? any ideas?

**T3/T4 GSR** · 06-29-2008, 06:49 PM

I feel that in a bulking cycle with no deca or tren nolva is the way to go....will allow estrogen to work while preventing it in certain spots like breast tissue.

**LATS60** · 06-30-2008, 10:40 AM

Originally Posted by dece870717

No it is actually True, AI will hinder your gains. Estrogen Will It Effect My Gains "Estrogen has been connected to increasing GH and IGF-1 . Testosterone's effects are dependent on aromatization to estrogen... "

I'll just ignore the medical science and pharmacology and listen to you and merc instead LOL.

**Kratos** · 06-30-2008, 10:45 AM

eh, ever since merc wrote that article people have been playing russian roulette with as much estrogen as they can get in their system without growing tits. It isn't gonna hurt your gains much to take a little arimidex . It's overplayed lately.

**Kratos** · 06-30-2008, 10:47 AM

and if you are one who buys into it, shoot a little IGF-1, problem sloved.

**legobricks** · 06-30-2008, 10:58 AM

As stated above it is overrated. I personally dont like AI's for the simple reason that they shed to much water from me and my joints kill even on a low dose (everyone is different). Tamaxofen works way better while on cycle for me. Next to try is toremafine.

**Deen54** · 06-30-2008, 11:18 AM

true.

**Ashop** · 06-30-2008, 08:37 PM

Originally Posted by Elias

true or false?

if used properly i think the gains are better.

**Elias** · 07-01-2008, 02:13 AM

Originally Posted by ****

if used properly i think the gains are better.

what do u mean by properly??? can u explain please
thx

PT · 07-01-2008, 03:23 AM

Originally Posted by Elias

what do u mean by properly??? can u explain please
thx

if used properly(right dose for you) it will lower estrogen levels but not eliminate estrogen. when estrogen levels are lowered your results from the cycle may be lowered but personally i take that risk. i run around .5mgs of armidex every cycle to keep my water down. i know alot of newbies want every pound they can get but personally im only interested in solid gains. i always get great results when bulking and the armidex has kept my water weight down, my only regret is that i didnt start running it my very first cycle

**marcus300** · 07-01-2008, 03:28 AM

Originally Posted by pietro75

if used properly(right dose for you) it will lower estrogen levels but not eliminate estrogen. when estrogen levels are lowered your results from the cycle may be lowered but personally i take that risk. i run around .5mgs of armidex every cycle to keep my water down. i know alot of newbies want every pound they can get but personally im only interested in solid gains. i always get great results when bulking and the armidex has kept my water weight down, my only regret is that i didnt start running it my very first cycle

Agree with the above, it isnt worth the risk IMHO...

**CheddaNips** · 07-01-2008, 01:30 PM

I would much rather run a cycle with an AI to see only lean gains, then w/o and see tons of water. Just My .02

**NightWolf** · 07-01-2008, 02:03 PM

I run low dose adex with my cycles, i add the adex in week 2 of the cycle.
There is 2 reasons i add low dose adex, one is because estrogen
is highly supressive to HPTA and i belive recovery can
be easier if you dont have to much estrogen floating around
when its time for PCT. Second and less important is the water issue
but i dont hold much water anyway.