Want to do 500 mg /wk EOD of Sust

[CeeLo]

How much should I take to equal 500 mgs per week. Sometimes there would be 3 days and sometimes there would be 4 days.

I know that if I divide it up for 4 days that would be .5ml, but what about the 3 days a week. Is there a simple number that you guys suggest?

[stallion_1]

140-145 mg of sus eod

[LATS60]

Shoot all on one day or 250mg mon/thur makes little difference.

[CeeLo]

Shoot all on one day or 250mg mon/thur makes little difference.

That's not the consensus buddy!

[mkrulic]

avg of 3 and 4 = 3.5

[CeeLo]

140-145 mg of sus eod

ok? how do you do the math on that if its a 200 mg per mL dose?

I would like to know the ml to take.

[CeeLo]

avg of 3 and 4 = 3.5

So should I divide 200 by 3.5 and take say.....
57 mg EOD, which would be about .6 mls EOD?

[mkrulic]

500/3.5=143
143/250=.57cc
I'd consider doing 875mg/week just to make the shots easier or do two shots per week. contray to what people say you can do sust 2* per week. the weighted avg half life is 9 days

[stallion_1]

u could get away with doing sus 2 shots per week
but some people like to take advantage of the prop ester n shoot eod

[mkrulic]

u could get away with doing sus 2 shots per week
but some people like to take advantage of the prop ester n shoot eod

how do you take advantage of 30mg of prop?

[LATS60]

That's not the consensus buddy!

Appologies, i just hate to put a hole in me and waste a 5ml barrel and pin.
But to the simple math, say it's a 10wk cycle, thats 70 days 500mg wk thats 5000mg, you want to inject EOD, thats 35 days.
Whats 5000 divided by 35, i'll leave you the fun bit.

[133923]

Yes, you must be careful with your math, its quite easy if u break it up.

Step 1

EOD = 3.5 injections/wk

some weeks its 3 injections and other weeks its 4 injections, this doesnt really matter since some weeks u will start with an injection on day one and the next week on day 2, the important number is 3.5 injections/ wk

Step 2

Next you need to figure out how many mgs to take per injection, this is an easy calculation:

500mgs/3.5 = 143mgs/ injection

Step 3

Now that you know how many mgs to dose for each injection you must be careful with your conversion 143mgs does not always equal 1.43 mls this would only be the case if there was 100mgs/ml.

If your sust is dosed at 200mgs/ml then...

143mgs/200mgs = .715mls or .72mls each injection

mkrulic's math is only right if your sust is dosed at 250mgs/ml please be sure to check,

if it is 250mgs/ml then...

143mgs/250mgs = .57ml each injection


The most important thing you must do is figure out how many milligrams of juice is in each ml of your suspension. 200mgs/ml is a big difference from 250mgs/ml

This should be enough to get you on your way

[stallion_1]

how do you take advantage of 30mg of prop?

by shooting sus eod

[CeeLo]

I thought sust was only dosed at 250 that's why its called "Sust 250".

Mine is 250 and man, I'm confused on wether to take it twice a week now or do the .6 mL eod.

[CeeLo]

Appologies, i just hate to put a hole in me and waste a 5ml barrel and pin.
But to the simple math, say it's a 10wk cycle, thats 70 days 500mg wk thats 5000mg, you want to inject EOD, thats 35 days.
Whats 5000 divided by 35, i'll leave you the fun bit.

No problems bro. That comes out to about the same.

5000 / 35 = 142.8 / 250 = .57

[mkrulic]

I thought sust was only dosed at 250 that's why its called "Sust 250".

Mine is 250 and man, I'm confused on wether to take it twice a week now or do the .6 mL eod.

Id do twice a week. anything less than 1cc is a waste of a dart.

[mkrulic]

by shooting sus eod

do you really think you can notice 30 mg of prop?

[HORSE~]

Unless I am running well over a gram of sust a week I only shoot it 2 times per week and I have ran it every conceivable way that there is to run it....


Every body is different so you'll have to see what works for you but honestly the amount of prop that you get from 500 mg's of sust a week is very negligible IMO....

[stallion_1]

do you really think you can notice 30 mg of prop?

some people say they notice better results

[CeeLo]

ok, im only doing 500 mgs so i will do it on Mondays and thursdays.

Its a lot easier that way.

[mkrulic]

some people say they notice better results

taking more usually leads to better results, to an extent.

[mkrulic]

ok, im only doing 500 mgs so i will do it on Mondays and thursdays.

Its a lot easier that way.

thats how I would do it..

[HORSE~]

thats how I would do it..

Ditto...........

[LATS60]

do you really think you can notice 30 mg of prop?

The point is that sust is no diff from a single ester in it's action, in that it still produces a lagarithmic curve, sust action justs starts quicker and has a longer duration of action, this means that it doesn't have to be shot as often as E for example, because supraphysiological serum levels do not occur till after day 10 (that as you all know is about half the half life) once the esters are hydrolised into the hormone as soon as they enter the blood stream T(max) is 24-48 hrs after injection.
Here's the graph, now why would you need to shoot sust EOD unless your doing 5g wk.

HORSE, i agree. even once wk, plasma test levels are still stable enough so as not to cause supraphysiological effects, so very few sides.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Y..._VYg#PPA681,M1

[133923]

EOD is much better, who cares if you end up using 30% more syringes, it may be the difference between catching some nasty sides, many people have much better chances at preventing acne and bloat when they take it eod because they have more stable testosterone levels

By using a roid calculator, you can see the difference,

First example you will be shooting eod, you can see the levels of steroids in your blood are much more stable, the numbers below represent the amount of mgs of sustanon in your blood at the corresponding day of your cycle

The second number is the mgs of sustanon in your blood if your shooting e3ds

Notice, by day 24 of shooting every other day your test levels have leveled and are jumping from 60 to 74 every day this is only a difference in 14mgs daily, on the other hand look at what would happen if you shoot every three days, look at day 26,27 and 29this is a section of days when you could feel "sustanon flu" on day 23 you have 77 mgs in your blood the next day 63mgs but then one day later on day 25 you have 95 mgs of this stuff in your bood thats a 32mg swing in just 24 hours, thats 50% more sustanon in your blood then the day before, this will clearly make you feel like shit, believe me eod can save you a world of pain.

Day EOD mg/day E3D mg/day
1 22 38
2 18 31
3 37 25
4 30 61
5 48 50
6 39 41
7 56 75
8 45 61
9 61 50
10 50 83
11 65 68
12 53 55
13 68 88
14 55 72
15 70 59
16 57 91
17 71 74
18 58 61
19 72 93
20 59 76
21 73 62
22 59 94
23 74 77
24 60 63
25 74 95
26 60 77
27 74 63
28 60 95
29 74 77
30 60 64
31 74 96
32 60 78
33 74 63
34 60 96
35 74 78

[LATS60]

EOD is much better, who cares if you end up using 30% more syringes, it may be the difference between catching some nasty sides, many people have much better chances at preventing acne and bloat when they take it eod because they have more stable testosterone levels

By using a roid calculator, you can see the difference,

First example you will be shooting eod, you can see the levels of steroids in your blood are much more stable, the numbers below represent the amount of mgs of sustanon in your blood at the corresponding day of your cycle

The second number is the mgs of sustanon in your blood if your shooting e3ds

Notice, by day 24 of shooting every other day your test levels have leveled and are jumping from 60 to 74 every day this is only a difference in 14mgs daily, on the other hand look at what would happen if you shoot every three days, look at day 26,27 and 29this is a section of days when you could feel "sustanon flu" on day 23 you have 77 mgs in your blood the next day 63mgs but then one day later on day 25 you have 95 mgs of this stuff in your bood thats a 32mg swing in just 24 hours, thats 50% more sustanon in your blood then the day before, this will clearly make you feel like shit, believe me eod can save you a world of pain.

Day EOD mg/day E3D mg/day
1 22 38
2 18 31
3 37 25
4 30 61
5 48 50
6 39 41
7 56 75
8 45 61
9 61 50
10 50 83
11 65 68
12 53 55
13 68 88
14 55 72
15 70 59
16 57 91
17 71 74
18 58 61
19 72 93
20 59 76
21 73 62
22 59 94
23 74 77
24 60 63
25 74 95
26 60 77
27 74 63
28 60 95
29 74 77
30 60 64
31 74 96
32 60 78
33 74 63
34 60 96
35 74 78

Have a look at the post + link above, what do you think?
Those are only clinical studies though......

[BG]

If your not going to shoot eod, then why use it at all? If your not going to take advantage of the 90mgs of prop, then just use a single ester.

[mkrulic]

If your not going to shoot eod, then why use it at all? If your not going to take advantage of the 90mgs of prop, then just use a single ester.

you must have some ug sust. most sust has 30mg of prop. and this makes up 12% of the compound. you would not notice if you didnt have this in the mix.

[LATS60]

If your not going to shoot eod, then why use it at all? If your not going to take advantage of the 90mgs of prop, then just use a single ester.

Because it's test and it's cheap.

Here we go again, how do you take advantage of the 90mg of prop?
Read my previous post, just by using sust you are taking advantage of the prop and all the other esters, by getting a faster initial action and a longer duration of action.

[LATS60]

you must have some ug sust. most sust has 30mg of prop. and this makes up 12% of the compound. you would not notice if you didnt have this in the mix.

He's just adding the phenyl too.

[mkrulic]

He's just adding the phenyl too.

mind as well add the iso as well. diff of a half a day. now your up to 150mg of fast acting esters.

[CeeLo]

OK, it seems that its still a toss up! I'm not worried about the needles. I bought like 200 needles. I got 23s and 25s, 1" and 1.5". They are really cheap.

My only thing is that I can do the glute and the thigh, but I haven't tried anything else other than the Delt and I hit a couple of nerves, so I chickened out of that one.

I guess the deciding factor is wheter I will be wasting the prop or if the prop is enough to make a difference at 30mg per 250 or 60mg per 500.

[LATS60]

I guess the deciding factor is wheter I will be wasting the prop or if the prop is enough to make a difference at 30mg per 250 or 60mg per 500.

I give in.

[BG]

Because it's test and it's cheap.

Here we go again, how do you take advantage of the 90mg of prop?
Read my previous post, just by using sust you are taking advantage of the prop and all the other esters, by getting a faster initial action and a longer duration of action.

Unstable blood levels leading to more sides , less gains. Blood levels rising up and down leads to hormonal imbalance between estrogen and testosterone .

[CeeLo]

I give in.

ok, i'm gonna run it Mon and thurs until I notice sides if any and then I will up it to eod.

Lats, your link above doesn't work.

[LATS60]

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Y...xBkRKuNff_TGMg