Liver problem?

**Twist** · 09-17-2008, 11:23 AM

I did a 14 week cycle of prop. deca . and eq. with tren for a couple of weeks in the middle. I am a couple weeks into my pct and I got my lab results back and they said that my creatinine was spiked and my liver tox. is way above normal (97 when it should be less than 36). Can supplements that I am taking effect this screening? or is it damage? I only take a multi vitamin and creatine supplement every day with two protein shakes. Why is my liver tox high? Permanent?

**Bigmax** · 09-17-2008, 11:26 AM

Bro,of course the compounds will raise those levels...especially tren ...get the tests done ina few more weeks and they should be down...use some liver detox and milk thistle...also some cranberry extract and kep your water intake high.

**hulkangryhulksmash** · 09-17-2008, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Twist

I did a 14 week cycle of prop. deca. and eq. with tren for a couple of weeks in the middle. I am a couple weeks into my pct and I got my lab results back and they said that my creatinine was spiked and my liver tox. is way above normal (97 when it should be less than 36). Can supplements that I am taking effect this screening? or is it damage? I only take a multi vitamin and creatine supplement every day with two protein shakes. Why is my liver tox high? Permanent?

Creatine levels will be spiked if your on creatine but don't worry about that. Creatine will not cause liver damage.

Your tox level can be caused by a number of things. Food consumption before blood work, or alcohol will really raise the bar. I'm not familiar with roids in general on how they affect the liver but creatine is fine. I can give you a source article if you want it.

**Bigmax** · 09-17-2008, 11:50 AM

Originally Posted by hulkangryhulksmash

Creatine levels will be spiked if your on creatine but don't worry about that. Creatine will not cause liver damage.

Your tox level can be caused by a number of things. Food consumption before blood work, or alcohol will really raise the bar. I'm not familiar with roids in general on how they affect the liver but creatine is fine. I can give you a source article if you want it.

Guy.this guy just did a cycle of three different compounds...thats exactly what he asked about...ok you made mention of foods raising numbers but you also admitted of NOT KNOWING what steroids can do to the liver...well trust me foods will not raise the liver values no where near that high...anabolic steroids can and will...also he made mention of CREATININE not creatine...CREATININE has to do with kidneys....

**hulkangryhulksmash** · 09-17-2008, 12:00 PM

Originally Posted by Bigmax

Guy.this guy just did a cycle of three different compounds...thats exactly what he asked about...ok you made mention of foods raising numbers but you also admitted of NOT KNOWING what steroids can do to the liver...well trust me foods will not raise the liver values no where near that high...anabolic steroids can and will...also he made mention of CREATININE not creatine...CREATININE has to do with kidneys....

I was clearing up the creatine question for him. And yes Creatinine has everything to do with creatine intake. And Steroids have not been fully investigated to give a yes or no on the effect to the liver tox levels.

Definition Guy:
Creatinine is a break-down product of creatine phosphate in muscle, and is usually produced at a fairly constant rate by the body (depending on muscle mass).

**Bigmax** · 09-17-2008, 12:11 PM

so what you're posting is that his liver values are high cause of his diet not the fact that he did 14 week cycle of anabolic compounds consisting of 3 of them...you see my friend i'm speaking from experience with lab work that i do before and after cycles...I'm not giving definitions that i'm copying and pasting...such as"the last statement in your post...neverthelss bro...you have your opinion and are entitled to it...aswell as he can check into both are perspectives.

**hulkangryhulksmash** · 09-17-2008, 12:12 PM

If you don't mind me asking what was your Bilirubin at?

**hulkangryhulksmash** · 09-17-2008, 12:19 PM

Originally Posted by Bigmax

so what you're posting is that his liver values are high cause of his diet not the fact that he did 14 week cycle of anabolic compounds consisting of 3 of them...you see my friend i'm speaking from experience with lab work that i do before and after cycles...I'm not giving definitions that i'm copying and pasting...such as"the last statement in your post...neverthelss bro...you have your opinion and are entitled to it...aswell as he can check into both are perspectives.

I copy and past because it's fact, why type it out if I can copy and paste. My wife works in the medical field, she is a cardiovascular technician. We also hang with the doctors and talk about stuff like this. I have also had test like his done and discussed this with real doctors that are friends. So you can down play the fact that you where wrong about creatine all you want but the fact is your only guesstimating from what you have heard about steroids from others that are guessing.

Sure steroids may have been a factor but like I said, I have no proof to back that fact so why give him advice on the steroids if I know nothing about it for a fact. lol. Chill out

**Bigmax** · 09-17-2008, 12:26 PM

Originally Posted by hulkangryhulksmash

I copy and past because it's fact, why type it out if I can copy and paste. My wife works in the medical field, she is a cardiovascular technician. We also hang with the doctors and talk about stuff like this. I have also had test like his done and discussed this with real doctors that are friends. So you can down play the fact that you where wrong about creatine all you want but the fact is your only guesstimating from what you have heard about steroids from others that are guessing.

Sure steroids may have been a factor but like I said, I have no proof to back that fact so why give him advice on the steroids if I know nothing about it for a fact. lol. Chill out

No one is down playing anything bro...and congrats on your dr friends.. being that your wife is the dr ..I'd rather have her posting her perspective.....By the way Ive had several prominent dr.s tell me that steroids do have a factor on liver functions which is why i'm posting on it...but i agree with you there..dont give advise if YOU dont know nothing about it....lol...and i am chilling bro..

**hulkangryhulksmash** · 09-17-2008, 12:31 PM

Originally Posted by Bigmax

No one is down playing anything bro...and congrats on your dr friends.. being that your wife is the dr ..I'd rather have her posting her perspective.....By the way Ive had several prominent dr.s tell me that steroids do have a factor on liver functions which is why i'm posting on it...but i agree with you there..dont give advise if YOU dont know nothing about it....lol...and i am chilling bro..

We are all here to learn. I'm here to learn more about cycles/roids. Your an expert on that note and it's appreciated.

**Bigmax** · 09-17-2008, 12:36 PM

Well I appreciate you saying that...I dont appreciate that symbol however...sorry if you were offended by anything I posted...by the way i wont address that bilirubin question...lets just let it go...

**Twist** · 09-17-2008, 03:18 PM

ummm... guys I still don't really know if I should be worried about my results or not. Permanent or temporary?

**widowmaker2** · 09-17-2008, 04:19 PM

temporary!!

**LATS60** · 09-17-2008, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Bigmax

No one is down playing anything bro...and congrats on your dr friends.. being that your wife is the dr ..I'd rather have her posting her perspective.....By the way Ive had several prominent dr.s tell me that steroids do have a factor on liver functions which is why i'm posting on it...but i agree with you there..dont give advise if YOU dont know nothing about it....lol...and i am chilling bro..

5 weeks i have spent with my terminally i'll wife on a specialist liver ward at our local university hospital, it's pretty obvious i take aas and had no qualms picking the consultants and registrars brains on the effects of aas and liver function.

They very much have a factor, it's a fact that steroids raise liver enzymes, there are also many many clinical studies done that prove conclusively that steroids have a detrimental effect on liver function, though this should not be overhyped.

Fact aas can be a causative factor of liver problems, but 99.99% of these are totally reversible on cessation of the offending steroid .

**Kale** · 09-17-2008, 05:04 PM

Originally Posted by Twist

ummm... guys I still don't really know if I should be worried about my results or not. Permanent or temporary?

Completely temporary !!!! Everything will be back to normal within a month

**manaja** · 09-17-2008, 07:03 PM

I cant use deca more than 2ml a week , if i up it to 2 shots a week , my stools go a grey colour, takes a few days fo it to come round to normal colour again, I was told this is due to the drug blocking my bile ducts and not secreting enough bilirubin, very frightening to be honest, temporary though. Deca , supposed to be a "safe anabolic " , it probably is , but were all differant.

**Bigmax** · 09-17-2008, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by LATS60

5 weeks i have spent with my terminally i'll wife on a specialist liver ward at our local university hospital, it's pretty obvious i take aas and had no qualms picking the consultants and registrars brains on the effects of aas and liver function.

They very much have a factor, it's a fact that steroids raise liver enzymes, there are also many many clinical studies done that prove conclusively that steroids have a detrimental effect on liver function, though this should not be overhyped.

Fact aas can be a causative factor of liver problems, but 99.99% of these are totally reversible on cessation of the offending steroid.

Thank you for the back up bro...i'm sorry about your wife...dont normally like to go heads with anyone but this gentlemen just kept stuff that was just ridiculous...when i called him out he started with his wife being a doctor...i mean then let her post..is what i said...but to say that anabolics may not have anything to do with liver functions is absurd!!!