DECA-Never Again - EVER

**talon** · 08-27-2003, 09:14 PM

Damn straight, this is one Ive never came across...wow...you can see the evolution of knowledge people have obtained on this board.

**Sonnie** · 08-28-2003, 08:06 AM

Yeah I went on a short deca only cycle with no clomid at the end (I know). I went into deep depression (almost suicidal) and had to get on anti-depressants which im still on today 3 months down the track.
Deca depression sux, EQ only from now on.

**sfa2121** · 08-28-2003, 01:40 PM

Its kind of comforting to know that many other bro's experienced brutal side effects from using Deca , I thought I was just an unlucky freak. From now on , I will do no more then 200 MG Deca with no less than 500 MG test per week and stop the Deca prior to discontinuing the Test. I had gone through a nasty divorce with a cheating ex and thought the juice would be a good way to reward myself for going to the gym and get my mind off of her. Unfortunately, the nasty side effects of the Deca made me re-live the whole thing and start calling her again. The depressive thoughts make you do things you would never do if you had your head screwed on straight !
So if any of you guys are experiencing these side effects, I.E depression, loss of appetite,loss of sexual interest dont be afraid to tell your doctor or talk to friends about it, you arent alone. And Cut down on or cut out completely the Deca.

**slobberknocker** · 08-28-2003, 01:45 PM

Yes, there should be a support group. Deca Users Anon.

**legend** · 08-28-2003, 02:15 PM

everyone reacts differently to different compounds. i have never had gyno, deca dick, bad acne, etc. i recover well from deca and find i retain alot of the gains. i can tell horror stories about eq and winny V. does that mean they are evil and no one should ever take them? c'mon that is foolish. there could be a number of reason for the depression, clomid for one. finishing a cycle is another. i am running the exact cycle right now, deca at 400mg, test at 600mg and dbol . i am going to be going into anavar and primo in another week .i feel great. no sides at all, just good gains and great workouts.i am not insulting anyone here, at least not deliberately, but to say that deca is the anti-christ because of a bad experience(which may or not be caused by deca.. no proof at all) is alittle extreme.unless a doctor can pin point the specific reason and say with 100% proof that deca caused this, it is simply just a matter of opinion.just an opinion of someone with a bad reaction to gear.personally i think you should of started the clomid a little higher also. and hcg should of been done mid cycle. these might very well have helped. i was taking st. john's wort, a simple over the counter vitamin supplement, and after three weeks i felt suicidal. i even asked my doctor for an Rx for anti depressants. i was miserable all day. i stopped taking them and in a week i felt great. for me, they are the devil, but i know people who swear by them. they swear they feel great when they take them. and i can not argue with that, they just screwed me up..why? who the hell knows.different strokes for different folks. thats it.

**Rookiejay** · 08-28-2003, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by slobberknocker

Yes, there should be a support group. Deca Users Anon.

LOL

On the serious note though, it might be a good idea to have a SE (not just deca dick) support forum.......

or at least start a few SE support polls in this forum

**sebastor** · 08-29-2003, 12:10 PM

Originally Posted by legend

everyone reacts differently to different compounds. i have never had gyno, deca dick, bad acne, etc. i recover well from deca and find i retain alot of the gains. i can tell horror stories about eq and winny V. does that mean they are evil and no one should ever take them? c'mon that is foolish. there could be a number of reason for the depression, clomid for one. finishing a cycle is another. i am running the exact cycle right now, deca at 400mg, test at 600mg and dbol. i am going to be going into anavar and primo in another week .i feel great. no sides at all, just good gains and great workouts.i am not insulting anyone here, at least not deliberately, but to say that deca is the anti-christ because of a bad experience(which may or not be caused by deca.. no proof at all) is alittle extreme.unless a doctor can pin point the specific reason and say with 100% proof that deca caused this, it is simply just a matter of opinion.just an opinion of someone with a bad reaction to gear.personally i think you should of started the clomid a little higher also. and hcg should of been done mid cycle. these might very well have helped. i was taking st. john's wort, a simple over the counter vitamin supplement, and after three weeks i felt suicidal. i even asked my doctor for an Rx for anti depressants. i was miserable all day. i stopped taking them and in a week i felt great. for me, they are the devil, but i know people who swear by them. they swear they feel great when they take them. and i can not argue with that, they just screwed me up..why? who the hell knows.different strokes for different folks. thats it.

I AGREE. Maybe some people are like sheeps...they just go with the flow on what a person says on the board...I don't know.

**Money Boss Hustla** · 08-29-2003, 02:21 PM

If anyone remembers one of my posts...I did a deca only cycle quite a few years back and it absolutely crushed me. I did get some results...but once I came off (clomid wasn't really known about back then) I crashed hard. I was depressed, unmotivated, etc. It's a tough AS.

**talon** · 08-29-2003, 02:46 PM

Thats why Ive got PCT and HCG , man I dont wanna get the dep. Ive never delt with it and I dont want to start...ahhh the horror stories. Hey guys if I leave a post here in 10 wks crying please shot me for making a dumb mistake...

**TheStromba** · 08-30-2003, 07:50 PM

Well...Since I got an email that this was replied to, I'll give y'all an update. I recovered my HPTA by using 2500IU HCG every 4 days for 16 Days. I ran Nova too..but I don't remember how much, it was almost a year ago.

Since then I have done a straight prop cycle with no problems, and I am about to start post cycle stuff from a CYP\EQ cycle.

Even almost a year later...I am still sure it was the Deca ......

**TheStromba** · 08-30-2003, 07:59 PM

Originally Posted by legend

everyone reacts differently to different compounds. i have never had gyno, deca dick, bad acne, etc. i recover well from deca and find i retain alot of the gains. i can tell horror stories about eq and winny V. does that mean they are evil and no one should ever take them? c'mon that is foolish. there could be a number of reason for the depression, clomid for one. finishing a cycle is another. i am running the exact cycle right now, deca at 400mg, test at 600mg and dbol. i am going to be going into anavar and primo in another week .i feel great. no sides at all, just good gains and great workouts.i am not insulting anyone here, at least not deliberately, but to say that deca is the anti-christ because of a bad experience(which may or not be caused by deca.. no proof at all) is alittle extreme.unless a doctor can pin point the specific reason and say with 100% proof that deca caused this, it is simply just a matter of opinion.just an opinion of someone with a bad reaction to gear.personally i think you should of started the clomid a little higher also. and hcg should of been done mid cycle. these might very well have helped. i was taking st. john's wort, a simple over the counter vitamin supplement, and after three weeks i felt suicidal. i even asked my doctor for an Rx for anti depressants. i was miserable all day. i stopped taking them and in a week i felt great. for me, they are the devil, but i know people who swear by them. they swear they feel great when they take them. and i can not argue with that, they just screwed me up..why? who the hell knows.different strokes for different folks. thats it.

Well you are right about different strokes... The reason I posted this to begin with was that Deca was constantly touted as a Side-Effect Free compound.

We all know that people react differently to stuff, but I wanted people to know that this may not be the super safe drug that many thought. You are right that without extensive testing it is just a guess. My experience is just one to add to everyone elses. I STILL say it was the Deca, and I have had almost a year to think about it.

Not scientific granted...just one mans story......

**BIONABOL** · 08-31-2003, 08:14 AM

Originally Posted by TheStromba

Well you are right about different strokes... The reason I posted this to begin with was that Deca was constantly touted as a Side-Effect Free compound.

We all know that people react differently to stuff, but I wanted people to know that this may not be the super safe drug that many thought. You are right that without extensive testing it is just a guess. My experience is just one to add to everyone elses. I STILL say it was the Deca, and I have had almost a year to think about it.

Not scientific granted...just one mans story......

Bros,Deca has been always considered the best AAS to use in humans...these appened since 1960about...now these recent years Deca has gained the reputations to be the worst aas...There is not scientific proof that HPTA inibithion of Deca is worse the other aas...If I don't wrong some studies have shown that inibhitive properties of Deca are at least the same of Test mgxmg...What I want to point out is that while using deca only cycle you're substituting your test levels with the lighter androgen possibe to use...no aas has a low androgenic activity than deca so You're perceiving this thinking obout how inibhitive deca is...while using test You don't feel it to be so depressive since you're substituting endogenous test with exogenous(Higer levels)...and since the effect last for about 3weeks...you're still perceiving a bad mood when you stop injecting it.Deca can sure be much more inibhitive respect to other...but technically speaking tren is the king in this regard:it have 2properties that have demostred to give inb of HPTA:
ANDROGENIC
PROGESTOGENIC
Deca differs from it by lacking androgenic activity but having a slightely estrogenic.
I still agree with all of you about how bad is Deca as far HPTA,I have feel it to be bad while I've used it...but maybe all these hype is correlated to the fact of the wrong substitution between strong androgen-very light androgen.

**legend** · 08-31-2003, 11:00 AM

thats all i was getting at stromba. everyone is different. i must say it again, this board definately is the best i have been to in several years. the last board i was on i am sure i would be in the middle of an agrument right now. i have had some bad times with eq and winstrol V. they do not agree with me at all. but i would never bash them because i have too many friends that make amazing gains with almost no side from them.thats how deca is with me. what brand(if you remember) were you using? in the past few years i will only use norma hella. i pay more but to me it is cleaner, and works better. i know it is slightly underdosed, but i can live with that.my source did not even carry them 2 years ago. he special ordered them for me, then he tried them himself, and said from now on they are a stock item. he loved them.

**Magin** · 08-31-2003, 11:31 AM

I started a dbol only cycle for a week (first cycle) id never felt better,bigger more confident and stronger in my life,the 7th day i had a christenin to go to and didnt take any dbol the whole day,later that i took an overdose was in hospital for days,i know how ya feel bro.

**legend** · 09-01-2003, 08:07 AM

Originally Posted by Magin

I started a dbol only cycle for a week (first cycle) id never felt better,bigger more confident and stronger in my life,the 7th day i had a christenin to go to and didnt take any dbol the whole day,later that i took an overdose was in hospital for days,i know how ya feel bro.

an overdose of

dbol ?? what the hell are you talking about?? how many could you have taken to put you in the hospital?

***50%Natural*** · 09-01-2003, 08:56 AM

Originally Posted by Magin

I started a dbol only cycle for a week (first cycle) id never felt better,bigger more confident and stronger in my life,the 7th day i had a christenin to go to and didnt take any dbol the whole day,later that i took an overdose was in hospital for days,i know how ya feel bro.

Don't think that constitutes a cycle.
Back to the thread though I love reading something that educates me so much in one place. I knew about deca but know I know a lot.

**Meee** · 09-01-2003, 11:46 AM

I usually take Deca in my cycles to help the joints, and it helps a lot with the digestion of protein or protein/nitrogen balance. Something to that effect. Anyways, has never hurt me and I usually do it for 400mg per week for 6-8 weeks. I always recover with Clomid solely by itself and usually run that for 3 weeks. Again, never any problems.

Balls are a little smaller, as they would be, but seem to recover pretty fast post-cycle.

If you found it does not suit you well, stay away from it, but others can have good results.

Thanks for the post Bro, posts like this will ensure we all monitor more closely what we're taking and we all stay healthy.

Thanks

Meee

**tryingtogetbig** · 09-03-2003, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by Magin

I started a dbol only cycle for a week (first cycle) id never felt better,bigger more confident and stronger in my life,the 7th day i had a christenin to go to and didnt take any dbol the whole day,later that i took an overdose was in hospital for days,i know how ya feel bro.

This guy has been all over the place in other posts...don't pay him any attention.

peace,

ttgb

**NJou812** · 09-03-2003, 08:43 PM

So - after reading this I'm a little confused. I'm starting a lite Test/Deca cycle with traditional Clomid three weeks after (300/100/50). It sounds like I may have to wait longers? When should clomid be started after the last shot of deca?

**ross3814** · 09-03-2003, 08:54 PM

Wow thats horrible. I will never touch that shit. I've heard way too much bad shit about it

**Rookiejay** · 09-03-2003, 09:41 PM

Originally Posted by ross3814

Wow thats horrible. I will never touch that shit. I've heard way too much bad shit about it

Wow, Wow, Wow - let's not overreact.

I think deca is one of the best AS out there – even though, this thread seems to bash deca, I rated this thread 5 stars and tried to bring attention to it.

The key is the knowledge - absence of it causes the majority of SE.

Back when this thread started - there wasn't much knowledge of deca’s SE prevention.

at this time - If you ask people, who timely used anti-e's, add test, use proper PCT, etc = how many of them had terrible experiences with deca? (I haven't met one, yet)

Every time I see someone having problems with deca - it's either no PCT at all, no test during the cycle, etc. ----- ie = they are still in the same shoes as those who started this thread back then= NO KNOWLEDGE. (there wasn't much info available – just little bits and pieces)

The point is, whether it’s deca or any other AS – knowledge is a must, and there’s no need to overreact to possible SE.

Jay

**rxarms** · 09-03-2003, 10:00 PM

Something of an anecdote. There is experimental evidence suggesting that estrogens formed from test and/or DHT is responsible for the feedback control of gonatropin secretion by GnRH. It stands to reason that steroids that are highly converted to estrogens are more effective in shuting down natural test production. This makes sense from what I have heard, that fina, EQ, have better recovery than deca and test which are known to be highly estrogenic.

**kayshound** · 09-04-2003, 04:58 AM

lol what can be better than nandrolone ??? i can count it on one hand

drugs/hormones that are better than nandrolone: test prop, trenbolone ,dianabol ,hgh+insulin and maybeeeee eq which i count as equal

so my friends nandrolone is tha shit. we all use it in football we all use it in baseball ...we all use it in basket ball ..we all use it in ice hocky...and we all juice it in bodybuilding. period. if it is hard to recover for u then u dont need to begin using drugs at all. clomid for 2 to 3 weeks will do the trick if test was taken together with the nandrolone then even less time will do.

**rxarms** · 09-04-2003, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by kayshound

lol what can be better than nandrolone ??? i can count it on one hand

drugs/hormones that are better than nandrolone: test prop, trenbolone ,dianabol ,hgh+insulin and maybeeeee eq which i count as equal

so my friends nandrolone is tha shit. we all use it in football we all use it in baseball ...we all use it in basket ball ..we all use it in ice hocky...and we all juice it in bodybuilding. period. if it is hard to recover for u then u dont need to begin using drugs at all. clomid for 2 to 3 weeks will do the trick if test was taken together with the nandrolone then even less time will do.

Kay what are you talking about? You make no sense. Respectfully.

**Rookiejay** · 09-04-2003, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by rxarms

Kay what are you talking about? You make no sense. Respectfully.

I think - he means - he likes deca .

(nandrolone decanoate = deca)

**halifaxsteve** · 09-04-2003, 01:40 PM

ok...well i made the mistake of doing a deca only cycle, i ran into some pretty pathetic and embarassing deca dick.

comming off, i felt like a slug, but never ran into any depression. really lethargic, slept a lot, etc...managed to keep most of my gains, and 3 months out, after clomid and nolva PCT i still don't think my nuts are 100%.

i will however use deca again (with test next time

), but i'll structure my cycle differently, run it longer, and finish with something a little easier on the nuts.

rxarms- "This makes sense from what I have heard, that fina, EQ, have better recovery than deca and test which are known to be highly estrogenic"

rx arms, btw, i was under the impression that deca aromatises into progesterone, not estrogen!?