Im going to commit some steroid sins...

**tadpoleboyy** · 02-01-2009, 03:39 PM

Thought i might be getting some ED trouble. Seemed a bit less hard than norm, but i maintained and finished up without any problem. So im not sure what to think, but im pretty sure a condom would have killed it. On a side note, doing deads and back extension was almost unbearable due to pumps.

**michael tyson** · 02-02-2009, 04:16 PM

sorry to flame but... you're an idiot

**tadpoleboyy** · 02-08-2009, 11:48 PM

still no ED problems or depression or anything bad. Just the usual irritability any cycle gives me. about 4 weeks in. Also started 400mg/wk boldenone about a week ago.

**Z-Ro** · 02-09-2009, 09:32 AM

Originally Posted by tadpoleboyy

still no ED problems or depression or anything bad. Just the usual irritability any cycle gives me. about 4 weeks in. Also started 400mg/wk boldenone about a week ago.

Good luck dude.

Do you have Prop or anything on hand just incase you want to add a little test?

IMO, the cycle is pretty odd w/o even a little test but I am not going to flame.

**BuckFosten** · 02-09-2009, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by tadpoleboyy

yes, because a cycle can have a sexual orientation. Nice double post saying essentially the same thing, too. Awesome.

Bragging? Perhaps. Mostly sarcasm though. In reality, my aim is to see if there is any merit to all the parroting about deca dick and death by "more that one oral." If i do get deca dick, i will start with test, not a big deal. I can live a while without sex, in fact, many people in the army do that for extended periods of time overseas.

No one else will do this, as XD40 stated, so maybe this can be a learning experience for all instead of a flame fest.

I have done quite a few cycles, using test, deca, eq, dbol , tbol, superdrol, hdrol, winstrol , and so forth, so i have a pretty good idea about how things affect my body. I will tell you that hdrol is about as effective as tbol, in my experience. So i would not consider it dumb. Plus, who puts the final say on what is or isnt an "official" steroid ? I see no chemists in here. I have never seen dbol as cheap as hdrol, and it aromatizes, which i do not want. I started off using only real gear, but after using hdrol and superdrol and seeing great results, i decided that the whole "prohormone" label meant very little (not in all cases, however). If you think this cycle is "gay" or whatever, cool, because i am very concerned about your oppinion.

I will say that I have never ran a cycle without test, however. Thus i am as curious as most of you as to how this will pan out.

dude, deca dick is no joke. I;m not gunna argue or call u gay for it, but just honestly realize everyone on here who says run test with deca is saying that for a reason, theyve tried it and know. I dont care what other sources say online, first hand knowledge will show you how serious deca dick is.

**tadpoleboyy** · 02-16-2009, 09:42 AM

so... on week five. No ed problems at all. Just some aggressive/violent thoughts and dreams, nothing that i would actually act on, however. Gains are great, and a lot more lean. Up about 6 lbs already.

**(1*)** · 02-16-2009, 10:18 AM

my first cycle was deca only. didn't have any ed while on cycle but after the cycle was over it hit me bad. would be fine right before gettn it on and then when it came time to perform he would turtle up.. EMBARRASSING! and the worst part about it is that this took place for months. good luck.

**MMArmour** · 02-16-2009, 01:33 PM

I know EQ is said to not be so supressive as test or 19nor etc (tho all AAS are suppresive) i feel for the sake of the experiment you should not have run EQ along side it. So maintain the priciple of "deca only" cycles in your trials. jmo

Tho EQ is obviously not test.

**tadpoleboyy** · 02-16-2009, 03:36 PM

I see what you're saying, but my intention was never to make this an experiment per se. I just wanted to try a cycle without test, after doing so many with it. And i figured while im at it, i might as well let people know if the whole "deca dick" or no test thing is really as bad as people chalk it up to be, at least in my case. Others may respond differently. As for deca only, most people were sayin that the lack of testosterone is what is causing ED, and that deca is not enough to alleviate this. Not that deca itself causes ED. Or at least thats how i understand it. So adding eq shouldnt detract too much from this, as i should still be testosterone deficient.

Mainly, i just see a lot of hype how a cycle isnt a cycle without test, or that you NEED test in everycycle, and so on. And a lot of the people preaching have have not even cycled, or have ran test every cycle so they could not really tell you what no test is actually like (although some have done no test and had negative reactions, i respect their oppionion seeing as they have actually done it). So im letting you all know how a no test cycle turns out.

Ideally, im hoping that the extra 2 weeks with eq will allow the deca to clear my system enough that the only significantly suppressive drugs is the eq, and im hoping that it is mild enough that i can begin my pct on the last week of it, have some success, and not have to go so abruptly into a catabolic state, which would probably happen if i just ran the deca. I guess im trying to even it out and bridge it more, if that makes sense. That and eq should help with the whole endurance thing for soccer. At least more than a load of test.

**Beef27** · 02-26-2009, 08:58 PM

I once run a deca 300 and test 50 cycle..Great results even if you dont want a high test dose...50 mg weekly isn't strong by no means, but it is a shot in the butt- so to speak..lmao

**GauchB** · 02-26-2009, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by tadpoleboyy

Guess what? Im going against some of the most commonly given advice here.

Im running a Deca cycle with no test. Yep. And 2 orals. omg!

Deca 500mg, for the first 2 weeks, and 300 mg for the next 11 or so.
Im also running 75mg of H-drol( so called "prohormone," whatever anyone who has used it knows its a legit steroid .) for 6 weeks, and 30 mg of epistane(another "prohormone" which is also legit) for 3 weeks.

Why? because those two orals are dirt cheap, legal, and still effective as any others. And they do not aromatize. And i got a great deal on the deca.

For what purpose? I plan on playing soccer, but i still want to cycle. Deca will supposedly help my joints, and the other two, why not. I dont want any water weight as it makes it very hard to run for an hour. And at 300mg/week, i highly doubt deca will cause significant water retention.

SO... I will let you know if my dick shrivels inside out or whatever, and if my liver implodes and kills 5 people within a 10 foot radius of me. Actually, i wont let you know if that happens, you just wont hear from me again. But i believe liver toxicity is largely exaggerated, and from looking at various peoples bloodwork, hdrol is very mild in that sense.

Until then, consider me the guinea pig. Alas, if i do get deca dick, i will prob. pick up some test, so its not a big worry. Plus, its kind of funny in a sadistic way when you go soft while having sex, because the woman gets all self concious and starts thinking that she is not attractive enough or fat or ugly. Haha.

Good luck with that shit son!!!

**tadpoleboyy** · 03-01-2009, 02:26 PM

still no problems having sex. Up about 10 lbs too. Im pretty satisfied with this cycle, and a lot less aggressive and irritable than previous cycles that included test.

**braer4** · 03-01-2009, 03:09 PM

how many days into it now?

**tadpoleboyy** · 03-01-2009, 03:13 PM

about 6 weeks. I am no longer using the epistane, but still using the hdrol. And eq @ 600mg/wk

**tadpoleboyy** · 03-10-2009, 09:01 PM

Well, im up about 15 lbs so far. I have had no problems with sex, although it doesnt seem as intense. In the same sense, i have had some problems with aggression and drive lately. Aggression in the gym is hit or miss, and i feel almost lethargic and unmotivated with regards to daily things i have to do (work, school, etc). So overall i would say that this cycle was a success in terms of muscle gain, but ive had enough of the mental state im in from it. While its not that bad, i do enjoy the rawness test brings.

So for the last 2 weeks of this cycle, plus 2 more after my last deca & eq injection, im running test prop 50-100mg EOD. I have never used prop before, so i will adjust the dose as i feel necessary. I am doing this mainly so i have something in my system while the deca is metabolized, and because i want to cut up by the the time im done, as i am above the weight i was shooting for anyway. I may add in superdrol (sdrol) for the last 3 weeks too, as that stuff is great for cutting up.

CONCLUSION: Deca with no test (but with eq and hdrol), did not give me "deca-dick", but made me feel less aggressive and kind of unmotivated. Workouts were still great, dont get me wrong, but sometimes could be better. This could be a plus if you want to cycle but are a very aggressive person and worried about it. Overall i got great results, regardless. No acne, no balding. Moral of the story - steroids have side effects.

I will take some pics soon, and post up how the rest of the cycle goes.

**Dobie-BOY** · 03-14-2009, 09:12 AM

I like mavericks. Good job bud. I get so sick of hearin people act like steroids are gonna kill you "if you do this or that". Get real people!!! It was an experiment!! So what if he got deca dick? Like its not correctable?? I commend you for going against the grain. You know you were not putting your health at risk and that any sides were completely reversible. GOOD JOB!!!!

**tripmachine** · 03-14-2009, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by lord henry

thats all i have to say about that cycle.

x2^ lolol funny ass retard hahaha

**The Deuce** · 03-14-2009, 02:08 PM

This was very interesting read... Glad to hear you didn't get DECA dick... that woulda sucked on your part... nice experiment... I PERSONALLY NEVER WOULD HAVE EVEN CONSIDERED THE NOTION OF RUNNIN' A cycle without TEST but thats just me. Props to you... Hope you are doing a vigorous PCT.

**JACKEDnTan** · 03-14-2009, 02:13 PM

I ran a deca (250mgs) n oral winny cycle and it messed my junk up bad. My balls shrank n I couldn't get it up even if megan fox was standing infront of me hot n ready.More power to you but you better have a beasty pct so you can get ur natty test up and ur balls back (if they shrink). I ran clomid at 200mgs for the 1st week then 100mgs for 4 more along with 20mgs of nolva n 2.5mgs of letro b/c gyno showed up. HCG too for two weeks at 1000ius 2x week. Looks like u had no problems tho. you are lucky lol

**chess** · 03-15-2009, 08:27 PM

many pros never ran test.

**Big** · 03-15-2009, 08:29 PM

Originally Posted by chess

many pros never ran test.

never huh?

**InsaneInTheMembrane** · 03-15-2009, 11:32 PM

I just stay away from deca ... period

It had me shut down for 6 months even after a good PCT a couple yrs back.... NPP is a much better alternative IMO

hey, that's just me... to each his own

**tadpoleboyy** · 03-16-2009, 07:13 PM

yea i may try NPP. I really like deca , but goddamn that shit makes me lactate and all sort s of weird sides. Although i have had much more success running it at 300mg than 400 per week. I never had problems recovering tho...

**SGTNICK** · 03-16-2009, 09:36 PM

I'm pretty sure you're mentally retarded

**tadpoleboyy** · 03-17-2009, 01:14 AM

oh really? how so? Do i not use enough cutesy emoticons for you in my anonymous online forum postings? Man i love to make fun of people i have never and will never meet over the internet... its takes balls, really

**Mammon** · 03-17-2009, 01:21 AM

believe this is the reason for "deca dick".
deca, as well as tren ,strongly suppress testosterone and consequently DHT levels. DHT has been shown to be the androgen responsible for initiating and maintaining the erectile response . a drop in DHT levels leads to a drop in nitric oxide synthase in the penis. NOS produces nitric oxide, the vasodilator that allows the corpus cavernosum to fill with blood.

**skeldno** · 03-17-2009, 12:02 PM

Well mate i take my hat of to ya!!!

You have big balls admitting that cycle on here (big balls wont be for long) lol

Well keep us posted mate on your results

**tadpoleboyy** · 03-17-2009, 03:59 PM

For those who dont actually read the whole thread- I am using test prop for the last 2 weeks of the deca , and 2 weeks after my last injection. Im a week in. Getting some very nice acne, bloat, and gyno. Had to start adex. This is why i did not want to use test. The whole deca and eq thing gave me no gyno, no acne, and minimal bloat campared to test. I still gained as much as i would during any of my previous cycles with test, also

**MMArmour** · 03-17-2009, 04:19 PM

crazy to me that youre so gyno prone bro!

**Hazard** · 03-17-2009, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by tadpoleboyy

For those who dont actually read the whole thread- I am using test prop for the last 2 weeks of the deca, and 2 weeks after my last injection. Im a week in. Getting some very nice acne, bloat, and gyno. Had to start adex. This is why i did not want to use test. The whole deca and eq thing gave me no gyno, no acne, and minimal bloat campared to test. I still gained as much as i would during any of my previous cycles with test, also

You could be getting those sides because it doesn't sound like your hormone levels were stable AT ALL during this cycle. You started at 500mg's deca ..... then 400..... then 300..... then added EQ...... then added test..... i'm not a rocket scientist or an endocrinologist for that matter..... but one would think what you ran or how you ran it was enough to bring out sides in anyone.

Lastly..... deca dick, in my experience, didn't happen in the beginning of the cycle. It starts about 3/4 of the way and then through PCT..... but since you're running test now..... who knows.

thanks for updating everyone. Glad you stuck with it.

~Haz~

**tadpoleboyy** · 03-17-2009, 10:12 PM

Yes, i would say im pretty gyno prone, even 250mg/wk test e gives my gyno symptoms. The reason for starting the deca high was to do a half ass frontload, but i tapered down to 300 due to prolactin sides. I can say the eq brought about ZERO sides, which is why i love the stuff. After i tapered down all sides ended, besides a tiny bit of prolactin here and there, not enough to sweat over.

Testosterone was easily the most androgenic thing in this mix, so im not surprised by the sides, and having used it many times, i was aware of what they would be. I am using 75mg/eod. Yea, maybe this was an odd cycle, but i have done a few "bread and butter" cycles by the book or whatever you call it, and equally if not more impressed by the gains from this cycle. I would say that after this, a lower dose of deca and eq is ideal if you want to avoid side affects, like if you were a model of something. If you're worried about having no test in you, but still dont want sides, 50-100mg/wk would do the job i would have to say.

What im getting at is that just because everyone says something, it is not neccesarily true for everyone. Sure, they say it for a reason, but dont believe everything on a whim. Not to knock anyone down or say that people are lying, but you should realize that you are using blackmarket(unless you get pharmies) steroids from who knows where (unless you brew it) and taking advice from a bunch of people you have never met on the internet, so perhaps not all things should be taken liek the word of god. Granted, i have learned a lot by reading peoples cycle logs, but my source was also very knowledgeable i would have to say. This weird ass cycle worked just fine for me. Furthermore, the hdrol and epistane was the best oral start ive had to a cycle ever, minimal sides, solid gains, no bloat or water weight. Yea dbol is nice too, but i liked this a LOT better. I probably wont buy blackmarket orals ever again as long as these "prohormones" are available.

**Hazard** · 03-19-2009, 02:40 PM

Originally Posted by tadpoleboyy

Yes, i would say im pretty gyno prone, even 250mg/wk test e gives my gyno symptoms. The reason for starting the deca high was to do a half ass frontload, but i tapered down to 300 due to prolactin sides. I can say the eq brought about ZERO sides, which is why i love the stuff. After i tapered down all sides ended, besides a tiny bit of prolactin here and there, not enough to sweat over.

Testosterone was easily the most androgenic thing in this mix, so im not surprised by the sides, and having used it many times, i was aware of what they would be. I am using 75mg/eod. Yea, maybe this was an odd cycle, but i have done a few "bread and butter" cycles by the book or whatever you call it, and equally if not more impressed by the gains from this cycle. I would say that after this, a lower dose of deca and eq is ideal if you want to avoid side affects, like if you were a model of something. If you're worried about having no test in you, but still dont want sides, 50-100mg/wk would do the job i would have to say.

What im getting at is that just because everyone says something, it is not neccesarily true for everyone. Sure, they say it for a reason, but dont believe everything on a whim. Not to knock anyone down or say that people are lying, but you should realize that you are using blackmarket(unless you get pharmies) steroids from who knows where (unless you brew it) and taking advice from a bunch of people you have never met on the internet, so perhaps not all things should be taken liek the word of god. Granted, i have learned a lot by reading peoples cycle logs, but my source was also very knowledgeable i would have to say. This weird ass cycle worked just fine for me. Furthermore, the hdrol and epistane was the best oral start ive had to a cycle ever, minimal sides, solid gains, no bloat or water weight. Yea dbol is nice too, but i liked this a LOT better. I probably wont buy blackmarket orals ever again as long as these "prohormones" are available.

Well..... I'm glad you were happy with the cycle and had good results. Also glad that you didn't have any major sides.

Just to touch on some things you said..... I agree with not always believing everything you hear on this board. This board is great tho because if you have a question - you post it.... and you can get 20+ responses from all different people. Sure there is some bad advice floating around on here..... but if you take time to research something..... you'll come up with the correct answers. The "must have test" rule of thumb is the general principle. After running non-test cycles.... i wont ever run another one. Are there exceptions for some of the "rules of thumb" everyone talks about here..... sure. There are exceptions for everything.....

Regarding the UG labs and their gear..... This is the chance many of us take. I prefer to homebrew myself..... I used to a while ago. We're all doing something "illegal" so this is the route you have to be willing to take. It's a risk/benefit thing..... but the good thing is..... there is a community of people here who have experience and knowledge with various brands of gear.

on that note..... good luck on your future cycles. Thanks for keeping the log.

~Haz~

**Schmidty** · 03-20-2009, 10:53 PM

any1who flames this guys a fvckn tool. I know more ppl that have ran deca only and not gotn deca dick then ppl that do get it. Infact i know a guy whos 46now been juicing a lot since he was 18 and hes a legitamite sex addict and a moster, the last sycle he ran was 900mg deca 1000mg eq and idk how much tren n winny but they were n the cycle and he kept his wife happy and his gfs on the side. Im the only person iv ever known o get deca dick. He swears up n down deca makes him horny, idk how but the dudes been juicin longer then i been alive n iv known him since i was 7 n hes got no reason to lie to me. again anyone who flames is just a loser n needs to quit thinkn they know everything because they read a "steroid profile"

**Schmidty** · 03-20-2009, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by tadpoleboyy

oh really? how so? Do i not use enough cutesy emoticons for you in my anonymous online forum postings? Man i love to make fun of people i have never and will never meet over the internet... its takes balls, really

lol u must have a huge internet penis

**Hunter** · 03-21-2009, 12:05 AM

why not run at least an hrt dose of test. You could run 125 mgs of test e which is pretty damn close to natural test levels in a young healthy male so that might be low enough to limit gyno and enough to keep everything running fine. However there are people who run deca alone and never get sides such as deca dick however I myself would not run that risk.