Im going to commit some steroid sins...

[tadpoleboyy]

Guess what? Im going against some of the most commonly given advice here.

Im running a Deca cycle with no test. Yep. And 2 orals. omg!

Deca 500mg, for the first 2 weeks, and 300 mg for the next 11 or so.
Im also running 75mg of H-drol( so called "prohormone," whatever anyone who has used it knows its a legit steroid .) for 6 weeks, and 30 mg of epistane(another "prohormone" which is also legit) for 3 weeks.

Why? because those two orals are dirt cheap, legal, and still effective as any others. And they do not aromatize. And i got a great deal on the deca.

For what purpose? I plan on playing soccer, but i still want to cycle. Deca will supposedly help my joints, and the other two, why not. I dont want any water weight as it makes it very hard to run for an hour. And at 300mg/week, i highly doubt deca will cause significant water retention.

SO... I will let you know if my dick shrivels inside out or whatever, and if my liver implodes and kills 5 people within a 10 foot radius of me. Actually, i wont let you know if that happens, you just wont hear from me again. But i believe liver toxicity is largely exaggerated, and from looking at various peoples bloodwork, hdrol is very mild in that sense.

Until then, consider me the guinea pig. Alas, if i do get deca dick, i will prob. pick up some test, so its not a big worry. Plus, its kind of funny in a sadistic way when you go soft while having sex, because the woman gets all self concious and starts thinking that she is not attractive enough or fat or ugly. Haha.

[Phate]

Guess what? Im going against some of the most commonly given advice here.

Im running a Deca cycle with no test. Yep. And 2 orals. omg!

Deca 500mg, for the first 2 weeks, and 300 mg for the next 11 or so.
Im also running 75mg of H-drol( so called "prohormone," whatever anyone who has used it knows its a legit steroid .) for 6 weeks, and 30 mg of epistane(another "prohormone" which is also legit) for 3 weeks.

Why? because those two orals are dirt cheap, legal, and still effective as any others. And they do not aromatize. And i got a great deal on the deca.

For what purpose? I plan on playing soccer, but i still want to cycle. Deca will supposedly help my joints, and the other two, why not. I dont want any water weight as it makes it very hard to run for an hour. And at 300mg/week, i highly doubt deca will cause significant water retention.

SO... I will let you know if my dick shrivels inside out or whatever, and if my liver implodes and kills 5 people within a 10 foot radius of me. Actually, i wont let you know if that happens, you just wont hear from me again. But i believe liver toxicity is largely exaggerated, and from looking at various peoples bloodwork, hdrol is very mild in that sense.

Until then, consider me the guinea pig. Alas, if i do get deca dick, i will prob. pick up some test, so its not a big worry. Plus, its kind of funny in a sadistic way when you go soft while having sex, because the woman gets all self concious and starts thinking that she is not attractive enough or fat or ugly. Haha.

okay.........

[lord henry]

thats all i have to say about that cycle.

[Browns4Life86]

Gay post...your body dude...deca dick sucks more than you know and you will find out soon enough

[Browns4Life86]

Gayest post EVER!!! Bragging about your dumb cycle?? WTF??? lol

[Big]

...Plus, its kind of funny in a sadistic way when you go soft while having sex, because the woman gets all self concious and starts thinking that she is not attractive enough or fat or ugly. Haha.

yeah, then she finds someone else just to see if it's her or not, good times lol.
seriously though, keep us posted...

[XD40]

Hey its an experiment that we are not willing to take on....lets hear about it. keep us updated. im interested.

[lord henry]

at least use a hrt dose of test man for your own sake ,it cant hurt .

[Immortal Soldier]

Guess what? Im going against some of the most commonly given advice here.

Im running a Deca cycle with no test. Yep. And 2 orals. omg!

Deca 500mg, for the first 2 weeks, and 300 mg for the next 11 or so.
Im also running 75mg of H-drol( so called "prohormone," whatever anyone who has used it knows its a legit steroid.) for 6 weeks, and 30 mg of epistane(another "prohormone" which is also legit) for 3 weeks.

Why? because those two orals are dirt cheap, legal, and still effective as any others. And they do not aromatize. And i got a great deal on the deca.

For what purpose? I plan on playing soccer, but i still want to cycle. Deca will supposedly help my joints, and the other two, why not. I dont want any water weight as it makes it very hard to run for an hour. And at 300mg/week, i highly doubt deca will cause significant water retention.

SO... I will let you know if my dick shrivels inside out or whatever, and if my liver implodes and kills 5 people within a 10 foot radius of me. Actually, i wont let you know if that happens, you just wont hear from me again. But i believe liver toxicity is largely exaggerated, and from looking at various peoples bloodwork, hdrol is very mild in that sense.

Until then, consider me the guinea pig. Alas, if i do get deca dick, i will prob. pick up some test, so its not a big worry. Plus, its kind of funny in a sadistic way when you go soft while having sex, because the woman gets all self concious and starts thinking that she is not attractive enough or fat or ugly. Haha.

I remember reading this a while back when I was into pro-hormones.

A pro-hormone is a something that the body needs to turn into a "steroid " or better terms a synthetic hormone. It is based off a parent steroid.

However, when the body converts the pro-hormone into the active form it loses alot of potency and after it passes the liver twice the amount actually absorbed is probably 8-15% the power of the parent steroid.

So in reality while people make reasonably good gains of it, its not on the same playing field as actual steroids . Because with pro-hormones you get less gains and more sides (due to being an oral and having to be methylated or in some cases tri-meythlated in superdrol's case to survive the liver breakdown process) compared to the real stuff.


Nonetheless, more experienced members can tell you the risks of this cycle better than I can since I don't have experience with deca.

[Hazard]

i don't understand..... why not just run some test with it? The fact that you mention taking H-drol and epistane because it's cheap and "legal" is...... well...... dumb. your running Deca with them..... LOL. On top of that..... Dbol is cheap *shrugs*


Listen man..... i ran deca by itself for my 1st cycle. I didn't know any better..... didn't even know about this site. The one thing i found out...... was that deca dick was real and it sucked. You knew going into this what our reactions were going to be..... i guess do what you want..... but i'm definately suggesting you ATLEAST pick up test and run it with your deca.

~Haz~

[tadpoleboyy]

Gay post...your body dude...deca dick sucks more than you know and you will find out soon enough

yes, because a cycle can have a sexual orientation. Nice double post saying essentially the same thing, too. Awesome.

Bragging? Perhaps. Mostly sarcasm though. In reality, my aim is to see if there is any merit to all the parroting about deca dick and death by "more that one oral." If i do get deca dick, i will start with test, not a big deal. I can live a while without sex, in fact, many people in the army do that for extended periods of time overseas.

No one else will do this, as XD40 stated, so maybe this can be a learning experience for all instead of a flame fest.

I have done quite a few cycles, using test, deca, eq, dbol , tbol, superdrol, hdrol, winstrol , and so forth, so i have a pretty good idea about how things affect my body. I will tell you that hdrol is about as effective as tbol, in my experience. So i would not consider it dumb. Plus, who puts the final say on what is or isnt an "official" steroid ? I see no chemists in here. I have never seen dbol as cheap as hdrol, and it aromatizes, which i do not want. I started off using only real gear, but after using hdrol and superdrol and seeing great results, i decided that the whole "prohormone" label meant very little (not in all cases, however). If you think this cycle is "gay" or whatever, cool, because i am very concerned about your oppinion.


I will say that I have never ran a cycle without test, however. Thus i am as curious as most of you as to how this will pan out.

[jimmyinkedup]

wow the John Wayne of the steroid world ....cause no one has ever run a deca only cycle right? Or deca/ oral winny etc ...
Oh wait they have THATS why they recommend throwing in test....*L*
Anyway best of luck to you...

[jbm]

[tadpoleboyy]

im sure someone has.

[Immortal Soldier]

im sure n00bs who knew nothing about steroids have.

Correction your basically on the same level as the guy from "My New Haircut Video"

[tadpoleboyy]

that actually is me in the video..

[Pittsteel321]

dude i havent done my first cycle yet....but i can tell your a moron.

1. i have seen dbol as cheap as hdrol.

2. i can tell you hdrol is not as good as tbol...ive done ph cycles...(epistane and pheraplex. not at the same time) so i know something about it.

3. i hear the new hdrol is not nearly as good as the original by gaspari (it was spiked with DMT)

3. y dont you just not buy epistane and hdrol and buy tbol???

y would you wait till you get deca dick to add in the test? You will get deca dick and test will only add to the the gains and prevent it....wtf is the purpose of not running it????

maybe maybe if you couldnt get test but it sounds like you can

[bloodlines]

Buddy ....I'M a Hardcore Deca user it's like my bitch
and according to you and the way you are going to work the compound
STAY AWAY FROM DECA ..JUST KEEP AWAY
IT'S NOT A GOOD STEROID

[tadpoleboyy]

1. prices vary, considering dbol is sold on the black market illegally.
2. tbol cost a lot
3. i am on a budget
4. show me a scientifically sound study on the effects of nandrolone decanoate of the ability of the male to maintain an erection. Heresay is not equivalent to fact.

Example: I crashed my car while driving, therefore, everyone who drives will crash.

This is a flawed arguement.

Furthermore, can anyone actually tell me by what mechanism one would get "deca dick"? Is it from lack of endogenous test? Or DHT? They are not the same. Perhaps it is from a overall lack of agonism of the androgen receptor? Perhaps it is from nandrolones status as a progestin?

I guess i am a legitimate moron, but not a parrot. A lot of people seem to be biochem experts here... especially ones who have never even cycled

Ill be back in a few weeks to let you know the results, this is all i have to say for now

[lord henry]

deca is a 19 nor and will shut your natty test down hard ,you go for your silly little deca cycle and you will learn the hard way.

[laduem88]

dude i wouldn't even run h-drol and epi togther because they are both mythl...let alone adding deca into the equation...if you dont have the money to do something right then dont do it

[Pittsteel321]

n May issue of the US journal of Urology


"A commisioned study recently completed by Hartcourt and James at Johns Hopkins University has come out with evidence that approximately 35-40% of male users under the age of 40 of the penile vasodialation drug Alprostadil (under the brand name Caverject) are men that frequently use the androgenic hormonal steroid Nandrolone . Nandrolone is a potent androgen used to prevent wasting in subjects who suffer from a number of illnesses, including HIV. While it has few undesirable side effects at low doses, Nandralone does effect the nerve cells responsible for erectile function and often results in complete inability to perform sexually. It is proposed that one of the primary contributing factors of the high correlation of use is the apparent widespread abuse of Nandrolone as a recreational drug in body building, where it is also known as Deca -Durabolin - nandrolone decanoate - . The second part of the study will be completed in October and is focused on the expected high correlation of use between male users of Nandralone supplementation and users of the por penile vasodialation drug Sildenafil Citrate (brand name Viagra)."


i didnt say i was a biochemist and i admitted that i hadnt cycled.

i found this in a second thru google..... i guess it causes deca dick because it effects the nerve cells responsible for erectile function.

it probably doesnt help that ur natty test production will be shut down

[Pittsteel321]

dude i wouldn't even run h-drol and epi togther because they are both mythl...let alone adding deca into the equation...if you dont have the money to do something right then dont do it

right bro

this is y i havent cycled yet. cuz i want to do it right and not screw my hormones up. i regret the PH cycles i did and i dont want to regret my first steriod cycle.

tadpoleguy u should just run the test from the start...do u have any reason not too? y not drop the PHs and run deca and test? y not do something that ppl actually recommend rather than something your clearly getting flamed for suggesting

[tadpoleboyy]

I commend you on actually digging deeper on this issue and seeking knowledge. That does not state what a low dose is, although that seems to only be the abstract and the whole article probably does. I will check that out when i have time.

But, one cannot rely on one study, as it i common for studies to contradict each other. So i would suggest reading into a few.

[Hazard]

deca is a 19 nor and will shut your natty test down hard ,you go for your silly little deca cycle and you will learn the hard way.

With everyone telling him he's going to get deca dick..... he's now not going to report back that he did LOL

Listen man..... a bunch of people are just trying to warn you from their past experience. If you choose not to follow it - thats your call. It's not my life..... or dick for that matter. No.... maybe a chemist has not logged on here to give you the "proof" that deca dick exists..... but jesus man..... you could throw a dart at the members list on this site and i'm willing to bet they've had deca dick before.....

~Haz~

[Pittsteel321]

lol hes convinced it doesnt exist

[bloodlines]

add Test to the gear
And buddy you're one of a kind
wanna a study !!
go search for a one
all we do here is sharing experiences ,and the best way to avoid problems is to listen,the best way to get problems is to be stone headed..
I Can see the pointless of the thread you started
peace

[tadpoleboyy]

I never said it doesnt exist, or that anyone that had it is lying. But from the way everyone speaks, it would seem that I have a 100% chance of getting it. And that is what i challenge. That is why i post, to let you all know the results, in real time (kind of).

I am not saying that i wont get it. Regardless of whether i do or dont, i will let you all know.

And why not run test and deca ? because ive done that already, and want to try something new. You can relate to that. no?

[Big]

I've known some who run deca only without issue, although they are in the minority, that doesn't mean it won't work for you. I wouldn't stack the pro-hormones, but that's just me. regardless I hope you keep us posted.

[Big]

I've known some who run deca only without issue, although they are in the minority, that doesn't mean it won't work for you. I wouldn't stack the pro-hormones, but that's just me. regardless I hope you keep us posted.

[Big]

also guys, this isn't some noob coming here saying "my brothers neighbor's uncle ran deca and he's huge, so I'm going to run it". the OP already stated that he knows this isn't the common popular choice and he's still willing to run it to see how it works for him, give him a break.

[MuscleScience]

I say pick up some test, run your deca only if sexual sides develop just go on an HRT type dosage of 100 or 200 mg a week. Nothing says you have to run lots of Test with deca. Hell at 150 mg of test a week you have probably 2 or 3 times as much test in you than normal.

Good luck to you and dont let others get you down.

[Nicotine]

the thing is, your idea's are based off "i've seen other peoples bloodwork, and it isnt that bad"

thing is, your body is going to be different and react differently than mine, or anyone elses, etc...

and, you said you believe the toxicity in the liver is over exaderated (sp?) - the thing is, you can run this cycle and not "see" any sides - but because you arnt pissing blood or coughing up your liver doesn't mean there isn't damage done....

at LEAST go for bloodwork before and after and get your over all health checked out.

as much as this is for vanity - your health and the long term risks are also a huge issue...

best of luck!

[MMArmour]

I like how you came right out swinging right off the bat. You've designed an experiment with the test subject as yourself. Youre not original. Besides that, this whole thread of yours was worded such as to ellicit response from people in a negative manner. It was never meant to be constructive. No one ever said your liver would EXPLODE, or your dick shrivel inside out. If you want to be matter-of-fact or have some level of professionalism for your GROUND BREAKING RESEARCH then I think we can all do without the gross over-exaggerations, other wise, you look like some bratty little child that no one will care to take seriously. Good luck.

[Pittsteel321]

[Fire Man]

why not run TEST at a HRT dose 100mg-200mg/week. It wont harm you it will make you function better as a MALE because its the main male hormone. The only reason that i see someone not runin test atleast at a HRT dose is, someone who has no knowledge of steroids , or someone who is a women or who wants to be like a woman and not perform out male needs lol. Even if the deca does not effects you that much and does not give you those sides why not take test to make you feel even better because we know what test does for out bodies

[juicy_brucy]

Some people don't run test. I personally like a low dose of test in my cycles....
Keep us updated.

[tadpoleboyy]

Fireman, you are close, but not correct. I actually know nothing about steroids AND want to be a woman. That is why i am talking supraphysiologic doses of a male hormone.

I am a little more than 5 days into this cycle, as i started it 3 days before i first posted. I still have "morning wood" like usual. According to the graph found on this site about the effects of 100mg deca on testosterone plasma concentrations, i should be experiencing rather low levels of test in my system due to being shut down. Except i took 500mg my first shot. I am experiencing a notcible increase in acne.

[Nicotine]

at LEAST get your bloodwork done - if you have issues ALREADY going in, you can cause some serious problems.

get:
kidney
liver
petuitary (LH and FSH)
chloestoral
sugars
vitamin levels
testicular functions

i'd run the whole gammit...as much as this is for vanity, dont destroy your health over gaining 10lbs of muscle

[Angel of death]

I'm not judging you at all I'm just curious, why don't you like test?