powerful steroid alternatives

**fitguy** · 02-15-2009, 07:33 AM

i think i know the answer for this question,my question is there any steroid that wouldnt cause hpta inhibiton and inhibition of natural testosterone ???if there aint what would be one best bet to add mass without steroid use ?and not prohormones for sure i would rather run aas,any supplements out there that help with mass gains along with a good diet,training and rest..

**johnnybigguns** · 02-15-2009, 10:29 AM

Nothin like the real thing

***FireGuy*** · 02-15-2009, 10:50 AM

Proper nutrition will do exactly what you are asking.

**blake.varhaug** · 02-15-2009, 11:09 AM

Disciplined diet.....train hard

**tinytom777** · 02-15-2009, 11:18 AM

Ditto, there is no magic pill!!!!

**peump** · 02-15-2009, 11:38 AM

SARMs

**ARMY_OF_1** · 02-15-2009, 11:44 AM

supps forum?

**fitguy** · 02-15-2009, 11:47 AM

i really dont get how all steroids no matter their doses or structure inhibit hpta? i mean each steroid has its medical use so do guys using aas for medical purposes do pct?at least to restore their natural test production,doesnt make much sense to me

**HuntMan** · 02-15-2009, 12:22 PM

Most all steroids are derived from Testosterone , which inhibits Hpta.

**fitguy** · 02-15-2009, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by HuntMan

Most all steroids are derived from Testosterone, which inhibits Hpta.

what about my question

**breakbones** · 02-15-2009, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by FireGuy1

Proper nutrition will do exactly what you are asking.

YUP

**Phate** · 02-15-2009, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by HuntMan

Most all steroids are derived from Testosterone, which inhibits Hpta.

Originally Posted by fitguy

what about my question

that answers your question for the most part, SARMs in the future could do this or gene doping, but right now your best bet is solid diet and training

**fitguy** · 02-15-2009, 10:27 PM

what about people using aas for medical purposes,do they do pct?

**Lemonada8** · 02-15-2009, 11:42 PM

no because they do a 'blast and cruise'.... its called HRT and you have to shoot urself every so often depending on the esterfied test being used...

but if one was to come off artificial test and try to get back balanced, then a PCT is a must

**Randall6** · 02-16-2009, 12:15 AM

pro hormones?

**fitguy** · 02-16-2009, 04:08 AM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

no because they do a 'blast and cruise'.... its called HRT and you have to shoot urself every so often depending on the esterfied test being used...

but if one was to come off artificial test and try to get back balanced, then a PCT is a must

does that mean that using aas in a blast and cruise way wont get me shutdown??

**ottomaddox** · 02-16-2009, 04:59 AM

Your question makes no sense.
1. If you are on HRT, thast means you don't make any testosterone in your body and you have to supplement with injections/creams etc...
2. Those of us on TRT, blast and cruise because we don't care if we get shut down, because we are already Shutdown, that's why we are on HRT.
3. Get it yet?

Originally Posted by fitguy

does that mean that using aas in a blast and cruise way wont get me shutdown??

**fitguy** · 02-16-2009, 08:19 AM

aas aint only used for blast and cruise purposes for ex deca is used for joint healing,anadrol in some cases of anemia and in muscle wasting diseases,steroids have many medical uses not only a hormone replacement

**MMArmour** · 02-16-2009, 11:53 AM

cruise and blasting will defintely KICK THE SHIT out of your hpta. Its for the older aas vets on hrt, whove already had all the kids they care to have and have been around and are experienced. Not for noobs or the younger lads. Altho, many pros do it at younger ages, and our very own maverick is on a 1year cruise and blast. personally...**** that. And no i would imagine that for medical usage a pct is not used being as they are looking to fight a symptom of something else and no interested in muscular gains or retention. I could be wrong. But there it is.

**fitguy** · 02-16-2009, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by MMArmour

cruise and blasting will defintely KICK THE SHIT out of your hpta. Its for the older aas vets on hrt, whove already had all the kids they care to have and have been around and are experienced. Not for noobs or the younger lads. Altho, many pros do it at younger ages, and our very own maverick is on a 1year cruise and blast. personally...**** that. And no i would imagine that for medical usage a pct is not used being as they are looking to fight a symptom of something else and no interested in muscular gains or retention. I could be wrong. But there it is.

pct is not only done to keep gains,restoring natural testosterone is a must for anyone using steroids so lets say basically someone is prescribed deca for his joints at low doses maybe like 100mg every 3rd week or so,will he be shutdown?? do they do pct??

**DSM4Life** · 02-16-2009, 12:16 PM

Originally Posted by fitguy

i think i know the answer for this question,my question is there any steroid that wouldnt cause hpta inhibiton and inhibition of natural testosterone ???if there aint what would be one best bet to add mass without steroid use ?and not prohormones for sure i would rather run aas,any supplements out there that help with mass gains along with a good diet,training and rest..

Hard work.

**Big** · 02-16-2009, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by fitguy

pct is not only done to keep gains,restoring natural testosterone is a must for anyone using steroids so lets say basically someone is prescribed deca for his joints at low doses maybe like 100mg every 3rd week or so,will he be shutdown?? do they do pct??

no one in their right mind would do deca only for medical purposes, and of course they would be completely shut down. your questions and statements in this thread really don't make much sense to me. you don't seem to have any understanding of hrt/trt.

**fitguy** · 02-16-2009, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Big

no one in their right mind would do deca only for medical purposes, and of course they would be completely shut down. your questions and statements in this thread really don't make much sense to me. you don't seem to have any understanding of hrt/trt.

i am not even talking about hrt or trt and i used deca as an ex you can pick any other steroid equipoise ,anadrol it doesnt matter,of course taking exogenous test in a blast and cruise method will shut down your natural test but what i dont really get how come every aas whatever the dosage used shuts you down and i always wondered if pct is only done for people using aas for bodybuilding purposes or those using it for therapy<not hrt> ever do a pct

**MMArmour** · 02-16-2009, 01:27 PM

i gave you my two cents and my guess is that NO. they wouldnt.

**chuckt12345** · 02-16-2009, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by fitguy

i am not even talking about hrt or trt and i used deca as an ex you can pick any other steroid equipoise,anadrol it doesnt matter,of course taking exogenous test in a blast and cruise method will shut down your natural test but what i dont really get how come every aas whatever the dosage used shuts you down and i always wondered if pct is only done for people using aas for bodybuilding purposes or those using it for therapy<not hrt> ever do a pct

if your legitametly doing HRT/TRT than your body is not making enough test naturally. So when you get off a pct would not help regardless. People on HRT usually stay on for life. Some doctors will try pct drugs to help get your bodys system back to normal but that would prb be done prior to starting a HRT protocol.

**chuckt12345** · 02-16-2009, 04:07 PM

Originally Posted by Big

no one in their right mind would do deca only for medical purposes, and of course they would be completely shut down. your questions and statements in this thread really don't make much sense to me. you don't seem to have any understanding of hrt/trt.

umm deca is prescribe in the medical profession by itself for anemia.

**fitguy** · 02-16-2009, 06:25 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

umm deca is prescribe in the medical profession by itself for anemia.

thats what i mean,all you guys are talking about is the use of aas as hrt/trt that is one of the uses of steroids in the medical field and you are just assuming that all the people using aas are doing it as a replcament therapy

**Big** · 02-16-2009, 06:41 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

umm deca is prescribe in the medical profession by itself for anemia.

Interesting, I've never heard of that. But then I'm not a doc. I just did a google search for anemia treatments and didn't find any cases where deca only was a recommended treatment, but anything is possible I guess. Do you have any studies showing the results of deca only treatment for anemia? are there any ed issues and such?

**fitguy** · 02-17-2009, 02:05 AM

Originally Posted by Big

Interesting, I've never heard of that. But then I'm not a doc. I just did a google search for anemia treatments and didn't find any cases where deca only was a recommended treatment, but anything is possible I guess. Do you have any studies showing the results of deca only treatment for anemia? are there any ed issues and such?

well i dont have studies or anything to show but i was actually prescribed deca to gain weight when i first started but didnt take it when i saw the sides of the stuff,didnt know anything at that time

**legobricks** · 02-17-2009, 03:27 AM

Also never heard of Deca or Anadrol being prescirbed as medicinal uses since YEARS ago. Deca was nolonger prescribed from my udnerstanding for HRT as nandrolone deficiancy is so small that there is not need for it. Once again im not a doc either but all AAS inhibit your HPTA to a certain extent.

Any AAS needs a PCT when you come off of it. For the simple fact of helping to restore your already inhibited or shut down endogenous testosterone . When prescribed for medicinal purposes there is always something to help out if there are dangers of hurting or inhibiting something else. A Doc prescribing shit should know what the hell he is giving to you and how it will affect you and the after effects from using the steroid . If he does not then i suggest you see a different doctor.

Lastly,

How old are you? And what are your stats?

**legobricks** · 02-17-2009, 03:29 AM

Originally Posted by fitguy

i think i know the answer for this question,my question is there any steroid that wouldnt cause hpta inhibiton and inhibition of natural testosterone ???if there aint what would be one best bet to add mass without steroid use ?and not prohormones for sure i would rather run aas,any supplements out there that help with mass gains along with a good diet,training and rest..

And the only answer to this question would be SARMS (which from my understanding are still not 100%), and in the future gene doping.

Any AAS will inhibit your endogenous test production.

**JiGGaMaN** · 02-17-2009, 04:00 AM

Originally Posted by fitguy

well i dont have studies or anything to show but i was actually prescribed deca to gain weight when i first started but didnt take it when i saw the sides of the stuff,didnt know anything at that time

you were, but you arent now. its discontinued in canada/us. everything outside of test/hgh is being phased out. luckily, there will be many piss poor countries who will produce it.

**fitguy** · 02-17-2009, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by legobricks

And the only answer to this question would be SARMS (which from my understanding are still not 100%), and in the future gene doping.

Any AAS will inhibit your endogenous test production.

what are sarms???ok one more question guys does all aas have the same effect on hpta in terms of shutdown no matter what is it or at what doses??of course time is a big factor but i am excluding it

**chuckt12345** · 02-17-2009, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Big

Interesting, I've never heard of that. But then I'm not a doc. I just did a google search for anemia treatments and didn't find any cases where deca only was a recommended treatment, but anything is possible I guess. Do you have any studies showing the results of deca only treatment for anemia? are there any ed issues and such?

I didnt look for studies, i was just reading on Web MD that it was prescribed for sickle cell anemia, low red blood cell counts by kidney failure and even breast cancer.
Just list the side effects which are pretty consitant with any steroid .