opinions on my next cycle

**cloud_strife** · 03-06-2009, 05:53 PM

my data
28 yo
80 kg
15% bf
somewhat gyno-prone (well at least with sustanon )

Desired result
lean mass & strength

DATE:
cycle from 2/4/2009 to 28/5/2008
PCT from 29/5/2009 to 26/6/2008

DON't READ THIS, see the update below
ITEMS:
primobolan depot, 2 ampoules (one a. = 10ml, 100mg/ml)
androgel , 30 pieces (one piece = 50mg)
winstrol , 56 tablets (one tablet = 10mg)
clomid, 14 tablets (one tablet = 50mg)
proviron , 28 tablets (one t. = 50mg)
nolvadex , 14 tablets (one t. = 10mg)

Weeks 1-6
primobolan depot(250mg/week) - first week frontload 500mg
androgel(25mg/day)

3000 kcal/day diet (zone 30-40-30) the first 4 weeks, 3500 kcal diet 5th and 6th week
postworkout drink is not included in calorie counting(so on wo days real kcal = 3300 or 3800)

workout first 4 weeks: 4 days per week, 3-split (...)
workout 5th and 6th week: 5 days per week, 3-split (...)

Weeks 7-8
primobolan depot(250mg/week)
androgel(25mg/day)
winstrol tabs(20mg/day)

3500 kcal diet
workout : 5 days per week, 3-split (...)

Weeks 9-10
winstrol tabs(20mg/day)
clomid(only 1 week)100mg for 7 days on the 10th week
nolvadex 10mg per day
proviron 50mg per day

3000 kcal diet
wo 4 days per week, 3-split

Weeks 11-12
proviron50mg per day

3000 kcal
wo 4 days per week, 3-split

post-cycle
return to 2500 kcal

OTHER:
multivitamin, creatine, glutammine all the time

**Gears** · 03-06-2009, 06:04 PM

Bro, you've got your PCT all wrong. Winny will keep you shut down, why would you run that would your PCT, also proviron won't restart your HPTA. Also, 1 week of PCT isin't going to do jack for you, it needs to be ran at 4 weeks min imo. Also, if you're on androgel does that mean you're on TRT? Because if thats the case, there really is no need to PCT, just cruise and blast.

**Gears** · 03-06-2009, 06:06 PM

I forgot to add, 176lbs at 15% bf is pretty bad. You can make a ton of progress without AAS in this case. How tall are you?

**MMArmour** · 03-06-2009, 06:10 PM

Holy ****. Where to begin.

250mg/wk of Primo is not going to do anything for you bro. Period.
Same with 20mgs/ed of winstrol .

Youll need to run the primo @ 600mg/wk and up
And winny @ 50mg/ed and up.

Do not run the winstrol with with PCT items. Wintrol is still a supressive compound and will keep you shut down.

Do not pyramid doses.

PCT is VERY WEAK. Needs alot of work.

Proviron will not help get you back up and running in terms of HPTA.

This cycle is relatively useless bro. For cutting or bulking. You dont have enough gear to run these compounds correctly.

back to the drawing board bro.

Im not sure on your height but your stats arent very good either.

***T-MOS*** · 03-06-2009, 06:23 PM

Originally Posted by MMArmour

Holy ****. Where to begin.

250mg/wk of Primo is not going to do anything for you bro. Period.
Same with 20mgs/ed of winstrol .

Youll need to run the primo @ 600mg/wk and up
And winny @ 50mg/ed and up.

Do not run the winstrol with with PCT items. Wintrol is still a supressive compound and will keep you shut down.

Do not pyramid doses.

PCT is VERY WEAK. Needs alot of work.

Proviron will not help get you back up and running in terms of HPTA.

This cycle is relatively useless bro. For cutting or bulking. You dont have enough gear to run these compounds correctly.

back to the drawing board bro.

Im not sure on your height but your stats arent very good either.

Thanks MM

I took one look at this thread and just starting shaking my head. I just didn't have it in me to even try to get started here....lolol

**MMArmour** · 03-06-2009, 06:28 PM

haha it took me alot of time of staring at his post shaking my head to even understand it!

I got your back brotha

**cloud_strife** · 03-07-2009, 08:25 AM

Thank you for all your replies.

I don't weight much because I have very thin frame, when I began training i was 58kg. I am 1,77 m tall. I can't make further progress naturally, but I can make good progress on low steroid cycles (that is why I use androgel instead of sustanon , androgel is enough for me)

I made some modifications

-anavar (don't change HPTA much) instead of winstrol
-clomid for 4 weeks

I think it's enough considering that primobolan and anavar don't shut down HTPA completely.

I put anavar during the first weeks of the PCT because I think that this way I will not lose much during/after the PCT, but I accept suggestions.

I am not on TRT, I think that androgel is "lighter" than sustanon...

QUOTE 250mg/wk of Primo is not going to do anything for you bro. Period.

You sure? I made some strenght progress last year with a cycle composed only of winstrol 20mg/day for 1 month, so I though to use the minimum dosages and see what happens (I never used primobolan before)

I read on this forum about frontloading, it isn't piramiding actually...

I didn't get the gear anyway... I am still planning ;D

the second version is

Desired result
lean mass & strength

DATE:
cycle from 2/4/2009 to 28/5/2008
PCT from 29/5/2009 to 26/6/2008

ITEMS:
primobolan depot, 2 ampoules (one a. = 10ml, 100mg/ml) MARCA: ?? &b
androgel, 30 pieces (one piece = 50mg)
anavar, 56 tablets (one tablet = 10mg)
clomid, 42 tablets (one tablet = 50mg)
proviron , 28 tablets (one t. = 50mg)
nolvadex , 14 tablets (one t. = 10mg)

Weeks 1-6
primobolan depot(250mg/week) - first week frontload 500mg
androgel(25mg/day)

3000 kcal/day diet (zone 30-40-30) the first 4 weeks, 3500 kcal diet 5th and 6th week
postworkout drink is not included in calorie counting(so on wo days real kcal = 3300 or 3800)

workout first 4 weeks: 4 days per week, 3-split (...)
workout 5th and 6th week: 5 days per week, 3-split (...)

Weeks 7-8
primobolan depot(250mg/week)
androgel(25mg/day)
anavar(20mg/day)

3500 kcal diet
workout : 5 days per week, 3-split (...)

Weeks 9-10
anavar(20mg/day)
clomid 100mg/day
nolvadex 10mg per day
proviron 50mg per day

3000 kcal diet
wo 4 days per week, 3-split

Weeks 11-12
clomid 50mg
proviron50mg per day

3000 kcal
wo 4 days per week, 3-split

**cloud_strife** · 03-07-2009, 08:28 AM

sorry the forum in Italy suggests different methods than you do

**MMArmour** · 03-07-2009, 04:37 PM

ya i know what frontloading is. saw the 500mg and then the 250mg and assumed a pyramid. Didnt read the frontload. My mistake. This still a mess imo. Is this a pretty standard cycle of people in italy?!?

**daem** · 03-07-2009, 05:10 PM

Bro, you have way too little gear and are taking dosages that won't add up to much.

Primo should be at least 500mg a week
Anavar should be at least 50mg every day
Androgel should be at least 75mg every day

You shouldn't run nolva and clomid during cycle...You use them to recover when you finish your gear.

You are not planning to run enough gear to make this worth your while, and your plan is a bag of hurt.

Come back with a better plan that utilizes real world dosages and we can help you.

**Mammon** · 03-07-2009, 05:51 PM

yeah.. i dont like it..

**cloud_strife** · 03-08-2009, 02:51 PM

Originally Posted by MMArmour

ya i know what frontloading is. saw the 500mg and then the 250mg and assumed a pyramid. Didnt read the frontload. My mistake. This still a mess imo. Is this a pretty standard cycle of people in italy?!?

the cycle, yes

the recovery no, is my mess, because....

well I just want to find a way to mantain results after cycle, so I though some anavar during or after the recovery would work...