375mg test enth cycle????

**RANA** · 05-26-2009, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by awms

common bro....you and I both know that at 180 taking in 4000 cals is more then enouph! when im natural I bulk at about 3600cals a day and stay lean.

I'm at 220lbs. 5'9" 10-11% bf, I normally eat about 2600 cals per day, out of that 330 g of protein, 200-220 g of carbs and about 60 g of fats.
Carbs will not get you fat if your eating clean and consistant.

You say when you are natural, but you still have not done your first cycle. Guys are trying to give you advice but you seem to get a bit defensive. Listen to what they have to say then you can make your choice.

**jackjackson** · 05-26-2009, 12:05 PM

Ok, well let me know how it goes.

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by RANA

I'm at 220lbs. 5'9" 10-11% bf, I normally eat about 2600 cals per day, out of that 330 g of protein, 200-220 g of carbs and about 60 g of fats.
Carbs will not get you fat if your eating clean and consistant.

You say when you are natural, but you still have not done your first cycle. Guys are trying to give you advice but you seem to get a bit defensive. Listen to what they have to say then you can make your choice.

agreed, although some people are more "carb sensitive" than others. unless you are an ectomorph and have an impossible time putting on weight thers no need unless your BMR + Activity demands that many kcals. me, as an endo-meso, my calc bmr is just about right when it comes to calories. and yea OP, listen.... youll regret it if you dont

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by awms

I just feel like people over eat and eat way to many carbs! I have enouph fat in their to add in the cals I need and I have over 300g of protein...prob around 4000cals so at 180lbs It should be more then enouph to help me add lean size with out any fat gain.

I see alot of guy blow up but they look like shit because they are taking in 6000cals and 500g of carbs a day....doesnt make alot of sens to me.

how do you know how much fat you hav ein your diet if you dont even have macros???fats should be 20-25% always

**awms** · 05-26-2009, 02:34 PM

Yeah I dont mean to come off as a dick but its just what I think...honestly alot of guys over feed their bodies. When I first started bodybuilding I would "bulk" which I dont even beleve in any more because IMO there is no reason to go over 12% bf year round....its all about nutrient manipulation. I read alot of charles poliquin and john berardi's stuff and threw away all of my old thought on how things should be dont....IMO the whole eat massive amounts of carbs and cals is not the best way to do things at all!

**awms** · 05-26-2009, 02:37 PM

The avg person burns 10 cals per lb of body weight a day if they wer to do nothing...just sit all day.

the avg athlete when bulking should take in around 20 cals per lb.

so me taking in 4000cals is around 25 cals per lb.

that should be more then enouph to make solid gains with no fat gain.