375mg test enth cycle????

**awms** · 05-25-2009, 10:19 AM

It will be my first cycle and I want to run somthing that will yield good results but with little to no sides. I will be running 375mg test enth (1.5 mL a week)what can I expect gains wise? side effects? Im looking to put on about 10-15clean bloat free punds and loose 1-2% bf.

CYCLE: 375mg enth a week for 12 weeks

Nolva 20mg eod and then 40mg week every day weeks 14-18

**awms** · 05-25-2009, 10:23 AM

and yes I know 500mg a week would be better but I dont see the point in jumping into such a large dose my first time. I also dont want to blow up like a blow fish and then loose 10lbs a of water when I go off....slow and steady wins the race lol

***El Diablo*** · 05-25-2009, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by awms

It will be my first cycle and I want to run somthing that will yield good results but with little to no sides. I will be running 375mg test enth (1.5 mL a week)what can I expect gains wise? side effects? Im looking to put on about 10-15clean bloat free punds and loose 1-2% bf.

CYCLE: 375mg enth a week for 12 weeks

Nolva 20mg eod and then 40mg week every day weeks 14-18

Whats ur Stat's.. Age.. training experience etc.

**amateur88** · 05-25-2009, 10:29 AM

yea stick your stats up bro! let the vets have a peek into your training and diet etc!

**sigman roid** · 05-25-2009, 10:48 AM

stats please!!

**awms** · 05-25-2009, 10:53 AM

Im 21 and have been training for about 7 years.

180lbs about 10-11% bf

Diet on the cycle is going to look somthing like this

2 sccops whey
1/3 cup oats
1/2 cup blue berries
4 fish oil tabs
multi vitamin

2 chicken breast
1/2 cup broccoli
1/3 cup almonds

1 cup ground lean beef
10 stocks asparagus

3 scoops whey
1 banana
1 cup orange juice
(this is post work out)

2 chicken breast
12 baby carrots
1/3 cups brown rice

2 scoops whey
2tbs udo's 369 (250 cals)

Im trying to keep my diet lower in carbs but still keep the cals on the high side so that 1# I can loose a small amount of fat and two i dont bloat.

Goals: gain 10-15 clean solid pounds
add about 1.5-2 inches to my arms
Grow my chest! lol

**awms** · 05-25-2009, 10:55 AM

I work at a nutrtion store so thats why I am going to eat so much whey lol plus I am a student so it saves me alot of cash!

***El Diablo*** · 05-25-2009, 10:58 AM

Originally Posted by awms

Im 21 and have been training for about 7 years.

180lbs about 10-11% bf

Diet on the cycle is going to look somthing like this

2 sccops whey
1/3 cup oats
1/2 cup blue berries
4 fish oil tabs
multi vitamin

2 chicken breast
1/2 cup broccoli
1/3 cup almonds

1 cup ground lean beef
10 stocks asparagus

3 scoops whey
1 banana
1 cup orange juice
(this is post work out)

2 chicken breast
12 baby carrots
1/3 cups brown rice

2 scoops whey
2tbs udo's 369 (250 cals)

Im trying to keep my diet lower in carbs but still keep the cals on the high side so that 1# I can loose a small amount of fat and two i dont bloat.

Goals: gain 10-15 clean solid pounds
add about 1.5-2 inches to my arms
Grow my chest! lol

I dont see an issue for now, and it will be to hard to really say what gains you will get, but as long as eat clean and train hard, id say you are good to go. Keep it plain and simple, also, dont try replace your food with Whey... its not a substitute but a supplement for food.

**awms** · 05-25-2009, 01:51 PM

should I see many sides at this dose? also what do you guts think the avg person with good training and diet could gain on a cycle like this? strangth wise and size?

**jackjackson** · 05-25-2009, 05:51 PM

I see one problem, at more whole foods in there, honestly put your diet up for review in the section.
DO NOT JUST RELY ON SHAKES
No offense but where are your complex carbs to fuel your workouts?
You still need a nice influx of simple carbs PWO at least 70-80g, your muscles will absorb it.
Even when Im cutting i have 72g waxy maize.
You will be running yourself very very low on glycogen.

You been training since you were 14?

FYI, not trying to be a dick.

**awms** · 05-26-2009, 01:20 AM

Yes I have been training since I was 14...started at my house doing push ups and sit ups and by the time I was 15 I was hitin the gym every day...by grade 12 I was the largest kid in my school lol

Ye I was thinking I should up my carbs a small amount...its wierd because it seems like you can bulk and still loose fat when your on sauce.

**amateur88** · 05-26-2009, 01:30 AM

yea you need a few more carbs pre work-out tbh! u need to fuel your body! also its difficult to loose bodyfat whilst bulking, thats what the cutting phase is for!

**jackjackson** · 05-26-2009, 06:08 AM

You at least need your gloygen half full, based on what I see I don't even think your getting that let alone full to allow you to train to full capacity.
At night add casein or cottage cheese, add veggies, remove the whey, whey will not fuel you for 6-8 hours even if you add fat.
Add more veggies to each of your meals, except PWO and wake up there equally important
What are your macros at?
Also whats your height?
Focus on cutting or bulking don't try and be superman and do both.
Bodybuilding is a marathon not a sprint.

**RANA** · 05-26-2009, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by amateur88

yea you need a few more carbs pre work-out tbh! u need to fuel your body! also its difficult to loose bodyfat whilst bulking, thats what the cutting phase is for!

^^^Agree^^^
If you're eating clean then complex carbs will be benifical for you and wont hinder your gains. Too many people think carbs are bad.
You also need some natural fats such as Almond butter.
You diet is ok, you need a few adjustments.

**amateur88** · 05-26-2009, 09:50 AM

yea almond butter or natural peanut butter bought from health food shops! its all good sh!t!

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 10:04 AM

Originally Posted by awms

Im 21 and have been training for about 7 years.

180lbs about 10-11% bf

Diet on the cycle is going to look somthing like this

2 sccops whey
1/3 cup oats
1/2 cup blue berries
4 fish oil tabs
multi vitamin
no sub for food, 8-10 egg whites here, elminate blueberries

2 chicken breast
1/2 cup broccoli
1/3 cup almonds
ok, my preference is the oils personally, what are macros? BMR? ACTUALLY ITS NOT OK! lol

1 cup ground lean beef
10 stocks asparagus
you measure beef in cups?? what is the oz/grams?

3 scoops whey
1 banana
1 cup orange juice
(this is post work out)
i think its too much whey i doubt you digest 3 scoops. dont liek carb sources for PWO either. stick to a 2:1 ratio of carbs to protein and refeed 45 minutes later with whole foods. so like 50g carbs and 25g whey wtih a 45 minute complex carb low GI and protein source refeed..

2 chicken breast
12 baby carrots
1/3 cups brown rice
this would be your refeed lol, although i would go 1 cup brown rice

2 scoops whey
2tbs udo's 369 (250 cals)

this will do you no service as the whey will process throguh your system quickly. you need a slow digesting protein source like casein (if you want to supplemennt), or even better london broil. you see, your going to be in a fasted state of say 8 hours or so, so you need good slow digesting protein soruce to keep you as anabolic as possible!

Im trying to keep my diet lower in carbs but still keep the cals on the high side so that 1# I can loose a small amount of fat and two i dont bloat.

Goals: gain 10-15 clean solid pounds
add about 1.5-2 inches to my arms
Grow my chest! lol

we first need your BMR to actually tell how much you NEED to eat....

Another way to calculate BMR BMR CALCULATIONS

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 10:06 AM

^^ oh yea and we need macros for all meals/day and caloric intake of each meal/day... try to follow a 40/40/20 split as well..

**oak2429** · 05-26-2009, 10:28 AM

whats the point with 20mgs of nolva eod on cycle?

**chuckt12345** · 05-26-2009, 10:29 AM

Originally Posted by oak2429

whats the point with 20mgs of nolva eod on cycle?

blocks estrogen,, people who tend to get gyno take it during

**LexusIS09** · 05-26-2009, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by awms

Yes I have been training since I was 14...started at my house doing push ups and sit ups and by the time I was 15 I was hitin the gym every day...by grade 12 I was the largest kid in my school lol

Ye I was thinking I should up my carbs a small amount...its wierd because it seems like you can bulk and still loose fat when your on sauce.

... So you were the biggest kid at your school... and you weigh 180 pounds.. did you go to an all-girls school or what? LOL

**RANA** · 05-26-2009, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

blocks estrogen,, people who tend to get gyno take it during

He should hold off since this is his 1st cycle and if he starts getting gyno then he can us it.

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by LexusIS09

... So you were the biggest kid at your school... and you weigh 180 pounds.. did you go to an all-girls school or what? LOL

haha thats exactly what i was thinking.

**RANA** · 05-26-2009, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by LexusIS09

... So you were the biggest kid at your school... and you weigh 180 pounds.. did you go to an all-girls school or what? LOL

LOL, he was home schooled...sorry just had to chime in

**LexusIS09** · 05-26-2009, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by eatrainrest

haha thats exactly what i was thinking.

lol.. i'm hoping to hear some story now about how he was 230 in grade 12.. but then cut down 50 pounds, and dropped 14% BF..

I actually hate exaggerations, they're so useless.

**LexusIS09** · 05-26-2009, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by RANA

LOL, he was home schooled...sorry just had to chime in

hahahahahahahahaha!!!

pose-downs: me vs. my mom in the mirror

... "i'm the biggest!!!" wooot

k i kinda took this thread off topic, i'm out! haha sorry.

**amateur88** · 05-26-2009, 10:41 AM

LOL

**eatrainrest** · 05-26-2009, 10:52 AM

LOL, jokes aside, OP we got work to do! get those BMR calcs and to the diet forum you go.. make a thread and ill b there

**awms** · 05-26-2009, 11:06 AM

You guys are funnt guys...no I was 220 in highschool and I am now 180 because I cut. I didnt come here to be chirped by a bunch of guys who have never even met me or seen my body. I want advice so any one who is not helpful dont post.

**RANA** · 05-26-2009, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by awms

You guys are funnt guys...no I was 220 in highschool and I am now 180 because I cut. I didnt come here to be chirped by a bunch of guys who have never even met me or seen my body. I want advice so any one who is not helpful dont post.

As with most threads, people here read them closely. You have been on long enough to see that we all will try to give you sound advice, having said that we also like to have fun when someone catches something out of the ordinary. Trust me people here still make fun of me, so don’t take it personally.

**jackjackson** · 05-26-2009, 11:19 AM

O god, I can't stop laughing.
Trying to eat my boiled chicken right now.
Just make some changes to your diet.
Just because you work at a supp store, don't rely on supps alot.
You will short yourself in the long run.

**jackjackson** · 05-26-2009, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by RANA

As with most threads, people here read them closely. You have been on long enough to see that we all will try to give you sound advice, having said that we also like to have fun when someone catches something out of the ordinary. Trust me people here still make fun of me, so don’t take it personally.

Yeah, people break my balls about my dead cow in my photos.
Whose that guy that does that, DSM, the one with 2 guys frenching each other..... avatar

**awms** · 05-26-2009, 11:38 AM

1 can tunna
1/2 cup oats
1/2 cup blue berries
fish oil
multi-vit

2 chicken breast
veggies
1/3 cup almonds

(post work out)
3 scoops whey
1 banana
1 apple
1/3 cup oats
fish oil tabs
multi vit

8oz steak
veggies
1/3 cup brown rice

2 chicken breast
veggies

1 scoop casine
1 scoop whey
2 tbs MCT oil

**awms** · 05-26-2009, 11:40 AM

Im keeping my diet lean...high cals but not to the point wer im gunna put on loads of fat. I dont see that point in eating 5000cals at 180lbs....seem like over kill.

**RANA** · 05-26-2009, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by awms

1 can tunna Not enough protein
1/2 cup oats
1/2 cup blue berries Not needed
fish oil
multi-vit

2 chicken breast What is that in oz?
veggies How much veggies? A cup?
1/3 cup almonds

(post work out)
3 scoops whey Too much protein
1 banana Stick with one fruit
1 apple
1/3 cup oats IMO, not needed
fish oil tabs
multi vit

8oz steak
veggies
1/3 cup brown rice

2 chicken breast
veggies

1 scoop casine
1 scoop whey
2 tbs MCT oil

There is more I could add but you still need to make some adjustments

**awms** · 05-26-2009, 11:47 AM

Originally Posted by RANA

There is more I could add but you still need to make some adjustments

I just feel like people over eat and eat way to many carbs! I have enouph fat in their to add in the cals I need and I have over 300g of protein...prob around 4000cals so at 180lbs It should be more then enouph to help me add lean size with out any fat gain.

I see alot of guy blow up but they look like shit because they are taking in 6000cals and 500g of carbs a day....doesnt make alot of sens to me.

**awms** · 05-26-2009, 11:48 AM

If your body only needs 3500cals to put on size then why feed to 5000? so you can get fat? ther is a reason people put on fat and its over eating.

**jackjackson** · 05-26-2009, 11:49 AM

So you rather not put on muscle and undereat?
I go over a bit but clean, i rather put on some BF% than not earn muscle because I was scared of a little BF.
Just giving you are thoughts, but let us know how the gains go
Just my 2 cents

**awms** · 05-26-2009, 11:50 AM

I did the math I need to take in 3600cals when bulking at my weight....I figure on sauce you need a few more cals because most of what you take in will be going into muscle building so I upped it to around 4000.

**awms** · 05-26-2009, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by jackjackson

So you rather not put on muscle and undereat?
I go over a bit but clean, i rather but on some BF% than not earn muscle because I was scared of a little BF.
Just giving you are thoughts, but let us know how the gains go
Just my 2 cents

common bro....you and I both know that at 180 taking in 4000 cals is more then enouph! when im natural I bulk at about 3600cals a day and stay lean.

**awms** · 05-26-2009, 11:55 AM

heck my brother was cutting at 260lbs and only taking in about 3000cals a day on test and still put on muscle lol not alot but it just goes to show you how powerful it is.