First cycle (Sustanon 250)

**fixUPlookSHARP** · 06-05-2009, 01:21 AM

Originally Posted by Reed

Nolva is a SERM buddy it blocks the estro from binding to the sites but will not decrease estro in the blood, estro will still circulate with no place to go

I don't know what you don't understand about a exogenous hormone shutting down your natural production. Your dose of 250mg will shut down your HPTA and you will need a PCT, thats why we use PCT to recover the HPTA. I just don't get it, what do you think PCT is for

so if i take my sust 250mg/week EOD for 8 weeks...that's out of the way. what pct plan should i follow to recover the HPTA. i was thinking clomid, will it suffice? i guess i misunderstood the HPTA, i didn't know it was completely shut down once androgen levels start to elevate. and i think it's clear i know the purpose of a pct, i was just ignorant on the whole shutting down COMPLETELY ordeal. i don't want bad blood with anyone here on the forums, i'm here for some help.

***T-MOS*** · 06-05-2009, 01:22 AM

Originally Posted by fixUPlookSHARP

seriously, if i'm talking out of my ass then i'm misinformed. aren't you guys in these forums to help? i don't get all of this attitude, sorry that i came off arrogant? i didn't intend on that. i'm trying to be as polite and as sincere as possible but all i'm getting is "PISS OFF"

NO ONE here is telling you to piss off !! you got some VERY knowledgeable guys here trying to help you.......

if we didn't want to help you , we would quit posting in your thread!!

***T-MOS*** · 06-05-2009, 01:24 AM

Originally Posted by fixUPlookSHARP

so if i take my sust 250mg/week EOD for 8 weeks...that's out of the way. what pct plan should i follow to recover the HPTA. i was thinking clomid, will it suffice? i guess i misunderstood the HPTA, i didn't know it was completely shut down once androgen levels start to elevate. and i think it's clear i know the purpose of a pct, i was just ignorant on the whole shutting down COMPLETELY ordeal. i don't want bad blood with anyone here on the forums, i'm here for some help.

Please re read this thread. I already told you that 8 weeks of SUST is NOT long enough

it has LONG ESTERS that will not even kick in for 4-6 weeks, so you will be stopping it right when its at its peak

If you want a short cycle , then you have to use SHORT esters like prop

prop by itself will be VERY painful

**WARMachine** · 06-05-2009, 01:25 AM

Originally Posted by fixUPlookSHARP

so if i take my sust 250mg/week EOD for 8 weeks...that's out of the way. what pct plan should i follow to recover the HPTA. i was thinking clomid, will it suffice? i guess i misunderstood the HPTA, i didn't know it was completely shut down once androgen levels start to elevate. and i think it's clear i know the purpose of a pct, i was just ignorant on the whole shutting down COMPLETELY ordeal. i don't want bad blood with anyone here on the forums, i'm here for some help.

Clomid is NOT enough.

"Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT by WARMachine"
"Estrogen Control, Treatment, and PCT by WARMachine"

Read this. It is stickied for a reason. Make sure to go to post #4.

Also check out Swiftos PCT which is linked in my thread.

**fixUPlookSHARP** · 06-05-2009, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by T-MOS

Please re read this thread. I already told you that 8 weeks of SUST is NOT long enough

it has LONG ESTERS that will not even kick in for 4-6 weeks, so you will be stopping it right when its at its peak

If you want a short cycle , then you have to use SHORT esters like prop

prop by itself will be VERY painful

how long do you suggest then? again, thanks for everything..i appreciate it. do you have a brief PCT program?

**Reed** · 06-05-2009, 01:26 AM

Originally Posted by fixUPlookSHARP

so if i take my sust 250mg/week EOD for 8 weeks...that's out of the way. what pct plan should i follow to recover the HPTA. i was thinking clomid, will it suffice? i guess i misunderstood the HPTA, i didn't know it was completely shut down once androgen levels start to elevate. and i think it's clear i know the purpose of a pct, i was just ignorant on the whole shutting down COMPLETELY ordeal. i don't want bad blood with anyone here on the forums, i'm here for some help.

I know you are. nolva/clomid therapy would be a best bet.... are you a drug tested athlete however?? and if so when does your "season" so to say start back up

**WARMachine** · 06-05-2009, 01:28 AM

Originally Posted by fixUPlookSHARP

how long do you suggest then? again, thanks for everything..i appreciate it. do you have a brief PCT program?

I already linked you to mine.

***T-MOS*** · 06-05-2009, 01:30 AM

long estered compounds should be run for 10-12 weeks minimum

**fixUPlookSHARP** · 06-05-2009, 01:41 AM

Originally Posted by WARMachine

I already linked you to mine.

just finished reading your PCT section, very very very informative. thank you for that.

PCT

*Tamox - 40/40/20/20 --(Until Blood Results have confirmed the HPTA has indeed began to recover.)
*Clomid - 100/100/50/50 --(Above)
*Tormifene - 60/40/40/40 -- (Above)
**Aromasin - 20/20/20/20 --(Above)

*Use 2 SERMs, not all 3. I prefer Tamox and Clomid, but only because im yet to use Tormifene. From what i hear, Tormifene has recently been reported to be the best SERM at restarting an inhibited HPTA.(I will talk more about it later, just waiting on some info from Swifto.)

just clearing up cause i've read a bunch of other PCT PROGRAMS...for clomid week one is 100mg PER DAY for 7 days, week two is 100mg PER DAY for 7 days, week three is 50mg PER DAY for 7 days, etc etc. and if i can only get my hands on novladex, how should i take that with clomid cause it says use 2 SERMS

***T-MOS*** · 06-05-2009, 01:44 AM

so, despite all the advice against, you are gonna do this no matter what huh??

**WARMachine** · 06-05-2009, 01:44 AM

You need to use both SERMS.

You can find them both at AR-R .com.

They are our board sponsers, and are 100% legit.

This is the ONLY source we can talk about here. So please dont ask where to buy gear.

Some MODS/VETS do source checks after a certain amount of days of membership/posts.

Im not one of those.

**WARMachine** · 06-05-2009, 01:46 AM

Originally Posted by T-MOS

so, despite all the advice against, you are gonna do this no matter what huh??

You didnt see this coming?

***T-MOS*** · 06-05-2009, 01:48 AM

Originally Posted by WARMachine

You didnt see this coming?

hahahhaha, I am sleep deprived remember?....LOLOL

YEA i knew he was gonna do it from his FIRST post. just thought maybe we talked some SENSE into him.....oh well, we can only do so much....

GOOD LUCK TO YOU OP

**WARMachine** · 06-05-2009, 01:49 AM

^ Yeah well, you cant save them all.

Im outta here, tired. Ready to coach tomorrow.

Night TMos. Catch ya tomorrow.

***T-MOS*** · 06-05-2009, 02:00 AM

Night Night

**Chopperbox** · 06-05-2009, 02:06 AM

funny he is arguing if such a low dose will shut his hormones......

Dude! you need a whole lot of reading to do fella! If you wan mess yourself up is up to you!

Im going to bed now as well, staying up way too late now days... or nights..... wake up at 2-3pm!

night my fellow meatheads

**Nicotine** · 06-05-2009, 02:51 AM

Originally Posted by fixUPlookSHARP

seriously, if i'm talking out of my ass then i'm misinformed. aren't you guys in these forums to help? i don't get all of this attitude, sorry that i came off arrogant? i didn't intend on that. i'm trying to be as polite and as sincere as possible but all i'm getting is "PISS OFF"

you're getting attitude, because you

a) don't listen

and

b) don't listen

...simple as that.

and sust 250 EOD for 8 weeks?

as in, 250mg EOD? some week's you'd hit 1000mg (1g)...thats nuts for beginner....

figure what dose you wanna run in a week (lets say 500mg)

SPLIT THAT UP into even doses.