What is the down side to starting using steroids at a low weight?

[anabolictonic]

Yer you would be able to keep it, probly because youd still be below your genetic max. but just as a comparison i have a mate who is 6'6 and weighs 202lbs at 9% bf and lifts weights about once a month. and hes not very muscular. If you cant add mass now at 165lbs you will still struggle when on steroids because something isnt right. At 2 times a week you shouldnt be over training. maybe you have hyperthyroidism?? or your kidneys/liver are struggling to break down protien ( wouldnt be surprised if they got damaged 25 egg whites in a sitting is rediculous), Id probly go to the doc and get your test levels checked your thyroid checked and metabolites in your piss checked to see if your kidneys/liver are functioning properly. thats my 2 cents

[jamyjamjr]

eating 125g of protien in one sitting is horrible dieting...

your protien intake should be equaly divided through the day....

i still dont see how you can be eating soo much and not gaining correct weight

[DEE151]

Considering i've been bodybuilding for 10 years. And know how to diet like a pro. And im 26. And my weight is 175lb @ %10 bf. And i know all there is to be known about steroids... What would be the down side to starting using steroids now?...before increasing my weight naturaly.

bro i hate to do this, but for your hight 6'5 175lbs your skinny as hell and steroids are not the answer. you say you been doing bb for 10yrs? well you shire in the hell dont know what your doing if your at 175lb at 6'5

[Twist]

what do you do other than workout? cardio? play sports? career? what else would make you burn calories? Seems like too much egg. I could eat 150 eggs a day. that shit goes right through me. what about lean steaks and more chicken? I like to break up my meals like start with your outlined breakfast, then 40 minutes later steak and potato, then fish meal then a lot of chicken. Like easy to digest meals followed by meals that take longer to digest. working for me

[Flex Columbo]

****in hell , just do a cycle , run a pct and run some hgh if u can , take full advantage of the fact you dont live in australia,nz canada etc and order some pct online get cortisol blockers, progesterone inhibitors and anything else you need , run prop and mast to help you get your weight up and keep it up and then you bi-pass all the bs

[Freefalling]

Look mr. know it all about steroids, if you know so much why you asking newbie q's? 165lbs is newbie status regardless of how long you been in the game. Grow naturally before hitting the juice.

when did i say i knew so much about steroids ????

I said "CONSIDERING" I know all about steroids! CONSIDERING! ...which makes it a hypothetical situation. I suggest you go learn some English so you dont end up in situations where you would be called a dumb a**. And if you cant answer the question that was asked...then go waste your time somewhere else posting sh** that is useless.

[Freefalling]

I hear ya! Back to my question thou...if i start cycling now and gained 25lbs...and i started eating correctly (even though i feel i am), what would be the problem?

[illwillogical]

I feel for you man. Some people have a lot harder time gaining than other's. The metabolism can be a mysterious thing. I come from a place with a lot of heavy drinker's. My roommate weighs about a buck twenty, drinks at least a case of beer a day, eats like a horse, and alway's stays about that weight no matter what he does.

I do believe in a good diet, and from what you are saying you are following it. I believe you, everyone is different.

Even if you use AAS though, you will probably still have a hard time gaining. You're body seems to be very resilient to gaining weight. But if you have been doing what you have been saying, and feel ready, it's up to you give it a shot.

[higherdesire]

Free falling, do not get distracted form the task bro. You ahve some clowns with meaningless posts mixed in with good sound advice on just about every thread. Jamyjam is one of the leading authorities on diet that we have so listen closoely to wha the says. get your routine up to because I promise it needs an overhaul too.

Once you get these fundementals tweaked you will be amazed at what you can accomplish both with and with out gear. Your body can only do what you make it do good or bad. You have dominion over it and while you think the protocol is right, you fristration is evidence that it is off. The godd news is we have all the help you need right here, so get the diet in full , and the routine up so we can help you get on the path to successful growth.

[Freefalling]

Free falling, do not get distracted form the task bro. You ahve some clowns with meaningless posts mixed in with good sound advice on just about every thread. Jamyjam is one of the leading authorities on diet that we have so listen closoely to wha the says. get your routine up to because I promise it needs an overhaul too.

Once you get these fundementals tweaked you will be amazed at what you can accomplish both with and with out gear. Your body can only do what you make it do good or bad. You have dominion over it and while you think the protocol is right, you fristration is evidence that it is off. The godd news is we have all the help you need right here, so get the diet in full , and the routine up so we can help you get on the path to successful growth.

Good lookin out man! Really appreciate all the help...everyone!

I dont mean to sound thick headed but i just cant understand what exactly the problem is with starting with steroids now....at low body weight.
I mean, i understand if its because ppl think that if a person is inexperiened enough on the subject of nutrition and bodybuilding to get his weight up naturaly, then he definately does not have enough knowledge to maintain the muscle he would gain from steroids. But what would be the problem if this person was very educated in nutrition and bodybuilding...meaning that he would eat and exercise according what is required?? Now in this case, wouldnt he be able to keep what he gains from steroids??...despite having started at low body weight.

Really need to be enlightened in this matter. Thanks a mill!

[T-MOS]

Its a combination of everything that was already posted here for you.

also, keep in mind that If you ARE under weight, then you jump on steroids , you stand a MUCH higher chance of injuries to your joints, ligaments and connective tissue as they won't be strong enough to take the sudden jump in strength since you are so far below your Natural Potential.

[Juturna]

^x2.

I hear ya! Back to my question thou...if i start cycling now and gained 25lbs...and i started eating correctly (even though i feel i am), what would be the problem?

You need to post your diet (INCLUDING MACROS!!!!) in the Diet Forum. Eating 125g protein in one sitting is not only bad nutrition - but your body also cannot process that much protein at once, so essentially - 65g of that is unusable and turns to fat - which is probably why you have 10%BF but still can't gain weight.

If you want MORE details on why your diet is bad and HOW to FIX IT, head to the Diet Forum and ask. Your going to notice that you know a lot less than you think you do, and it's only going to help you to get a proper diet in your goal to gain - not steroids .

[Freefalling]

Still didnt get an answer to my above question :|

[fitfreak]

Maybe the issue isn't just diet related. I think you need to change your training. Two days per week of lifting aren't going to speed up your results.

Try lifting four days per week, training one body part per week. Your split could look something like this:
Sunday: Rest
Monday: Shoulders, abs
Tuesday: Back/Biceps
Wed: Rest or 20-30 min. low impact cardio
Thurs: Legs
Fri: Chest/Triceps
Sat: Rest or 20-30 min. low impact cardio

Now instead of changing your lifting routine every 12 weeks, change it every 2-3 weeks. Your body will completely adapt to a new routine within about 4 weeks. When you change your routine, you should always change your rep range.

What do you consume post workout? This is extremely important.

[jackjackson]

Simply sounds like you really need to tweak your diet still AND you seem to have a fast metabolism so normally you would have known this by now and have increased calories and monitored your weight to see if the calorie increase is making any difference....

Seems like your eco to me

The ECTOMORPH

• Definitive "Hard Gainer"
• Delicate Built Body
• Flat Chest
• Fragile
• Lean
• Lightly Muscled
• Small Shouldered
• Takes Longer to Gain Muscle
• Thin

I also agree you should learn how to eat before doing AAS.
You should listen to the members of this forum, I can vouch for this boards help in my years.....

[chuckt12345]

if your over 25 then you natural weight is pretty much what you weigh on a normal diet, your metabolism should pretty much be steady at that age. If you wanna call it "natural potential" meaning no-steroids then yea you can get that weight up but i dont consider eating 4500 calories a day 8 times a day natural. Im always bigger on genetics than diet when it comes to how much we will ever weigh or what we can get to just by eating food. I really dont see much of a prb for someone to run a simple test cycle whos been training 10 yrs and still hasnt gained weight. JMO

[illwillogical]

if your over 25 then you natural weight is pretty much what you weigh on a normal diet, your metabolism should pretty much be steady at that age. If you wanna call it "natural potential" meaning no-steroids then yea you can get that weight up but i dont consider eating 4500 calories a day 8 times a day natural. Im always bigger on genetics than diet when it comes to how much we will ever weigh or what we can get to just by eating food. I really dont see much of a prb for someone to run a simple test cycle whos been training 10 yrs and still hasnt gained weight. JMO

I agree with chuckt, all these ass jockey's touting natural potential don't know this guy personally. Everyone is saying your diet is off, 90 percent who give this advice do not have pics of themselves. If it was as easy as just upping the calories, everyone that trains would be walking around at 300 plus with 8% bodyfat.

Another guy above stated that you are an ectomorph, which I would definitely agree with. If you want to do a cycle, do a dang cycle. In the end it's all up to you.

[T-MOS]

Still didnt get an answer to my above question :|

actually ALL your questions have been answered, you just didn't get the answer you want to hear !!

GOOD LUCK on your cycle and your future health !!

[cfiler]

Maybe you have a medical condition, because on that diet you should not be that skinny. Have you had a check-up lately? I am alittle shorter (6'3") and on one of my medications to treat chron's disease I lost alot of muscle and got down to 180lbs @7% bf. At that weight I looked and felt sickly.

With your height you should weight alot more naturally, especially with the ammount of callories you eat on that diet.

I would never wish a digestive disorder upon anyone, but if you do have something it is much better to be diagnosed earlier than later.

[seriousmass]

Another guy above stated that you are an ectomorph, which I would definitely agree with. If you want to do a cycle, do a dang cycle. In the end it's all up to you.

That's basically what it boils down to.

I bet if half the people who REGULARLY give advice in the Q & A posted up their pics up for critique they would be laughed out of here.

I'm still waiting to see one persons in particular.. but too no avail... name starts with a "C" ends with a "5"...

Maybe you have a medical condition, because on that diet you should not be that skinny.

This is what I was thinking. I'm not an MD or anything.. but honestly that sounds like hyper-thyroid...

You may want to go to the doctor, and ask him to check your thyroid values with a basic blood-test OP...

[cfiler]

That's basically what it boils down to.

I bet if half the people who REGULARLY give advice in the Q & A posted up their pics up for critique they would be laughed out of here.

I'm still waiting to see one persons in particular.. but too no avail... name starts with a "C" ends with a "5"...



This is what I was thinking. I'm not an MD or anything.. but honestly that sounds like hyper-thyroid...

You may want to go to the doctor, and ask him to check your thyroid values with a basic blood-test OP...

Yup definately could be, if you've been to another country you might have a tapeworm, suprisingly those are very common still today.

[_CrossroadS_]

Does anyone else want to see pictures of someone 6'5 and 175?

I was a twig at 6'1 170.............

[seriousmass]

I was a twig at 6'1 170.............

I was 6'2 and 169 pounds aboutt.... 7 months ago. Now I'm bordering 200. But I couldn't agree more, 170 @ 6'5 would HAVE to mean your BF is like 5.25%

[Freefalling]

I will quote myself and ask the question again... The question which happens to also be the title of this thread.

Im getting replies and answers to the question "why am i not gaining weight?"...a question i did not ask. Nonetheless, i got some interesting answers anyway. Appreciate that.

BUT the question remains:

I dont mean to sound thick headed but i just cant understand what exactly the problem is with starting with steroids now....at low body weight.
I mean, i understand if its because ppl think that if a person is inexperiened enough on the subject of nutrition and bodybuilding to get his weight up naturaly, then he definately does not have enough knowledge to maintain the muscle he would gain from steroids. But what would be the problem if this person was very educated in nutrition and bodybuilding...meaning that he would eat and exercise according what is required?? Now in this case, wouldnt he be able to keep what he gains from steroids??...despite having started at low body weight.

Really need to be enlightened in this matter. Thanks a mill!

[chuckt12345]

I was 6'2 and 169 pounds aboutt.... 7 months ago. Now I'm bordering 200. But I couldn't agree more, 170 @ 6'5 would HAVE to mean your BF is like 5.25%

im 6'2" and 210 at the moment at about 10 to 12%,, ive never said one time i was a big person and i could honestly give a rats asss how much you weighed when you started juice. I just called you out for other obvious reasons.

[musclehead1]

get your thyroid and test levels checked along with AM cortisol. A simple check (but not 100%) to check if you have hyperthyroid is to put your hands out infront of you and if they have a shake to them then chances are your thyroid is in overdrive. Remember that check isnt 100% fool proof.

Also the chances of you doing a cycle and putting on 25lbs and keeping it is very slim.

Increase the carbs even if you are sensitive to carbs, Iv noticed that when i dont eat enough carbs on certain training days I have a shitty workout (strength wise). The other thing is its alot easier to shed fat away than to gain muscle. The average person can gain approx. 10-15 lbs of muscle each year if everything is in check (diet, training, rest).

Now for your question, you have to make sure your tendons and legiments are strong enough to handle the increase in strength or at least be smart about your training. You should also educate yourself on PCT. I see one problem though for you to start juicing and that is WHY are you not gaining any weight, you really need to figure this out. Think of AAS as a fuel for a fire, but if you can't even start the fire the fuel is just wasted. If you end up not growing you just shut down your natural test for no reason. What are you proposing for a cycle.

[sveinbi]

I will quote myself and ask the question again... The question which happens to also be the title of this thread.

Im getting replies and answers to the question "why am i not gaining weight?"...a question i did not ask. Nonetheless, i got some interesting answers anyway. Appreciate that.

BUT the question remains:

the downside is that your diet and/or training are not good enough if you're only 175lbs @ 6'5"... so everything you gain from using steroids you will lose.

If you fix your diet and/or training you will gain weight without steroids
you can then reach you max potential. and after that use steroids to help you get even bigger (if thats what you want.)

you're only 175lbs. and you say you cant gain more just with training and eating. why do you think that you can maintain what you gain from using steroids?

[higherdesire]

Free Falling,
Bro I told in one of my posts the reason you want to get your shit straight before starting, IMHO, is that you will get results from the juice, then loose the results without the juice. Your body will be on roller coaster and your emotions will follow. It will not be the fixer upper you are looking for long term. Learning these other areas first will be the key to great longevity in your gains. If you do not get the diet and work out routine tweaked and dialed in first then you will not benefit long term.

But if you insist, then get you some test enenthate and inject 250mg 2x every 3.5 days. If you can get your hands on some dbol , use 30-50mgs ED split into two doses 12hrs apart for the first 6 weeks of the cycle. Run the test e for 14 weeks, and two weeks after your last shot jump on your PCT.

Let us k hear back from you in 5 months please. Good luck, I want your stats 3 months after coming off your cycle.

[ninesecz]

As I say to everyone, diet is not something you just write up one night in an hour and thats it. you need to researcha proper diet. well for BB and weightlifting purposes anyway! There is a lot to learn about a diet and in my opinion takes months in order to make sure the siet yiou have designed for yourself is actually doing what you want it to do

[Freefalling]

Free Falling,
you will get results from the juice, then loose the results without the juice.

if i will be eating, lets say, 6000 calories a day, then how and why will i loose the gains???

Now plz try to answer that without thinking "why dont you eat that much now and gain muscle naturally?"...as that will not answer the question.

Here i will list the numbers where the reasons go because 1st, so i could make it clearer for you to understand what i REALLY want to know. 2nd to simplify matters for you...

Reasons you wont be able to keep your gains after you get off the cycle:

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Etc...

[RedBaron]

What everyone has been trying to say is that the problem with cycling at a low weight in a person who is finding it impossible to grow without steroids is going to also find it impossible to maintain any gains that might be achieved from a cycle. You have to solve the underlying problem before you are going to make any significant progress with or without steroids.

All you have to do is look around at what the forums have become. About every other discussion that you see these days is how I have cycled for the last 10 years every year and i'm now at 175 ... hmmm ... think there is a problem with that? Many pro's haven't cycled as much as some of the younger crowd around here that are still sub 200. Genetics factors in somewhat, but it isn't nearly as big a factor as it has been made out to be ... it is too many times used as a scapegoat.

The difference is the pros have taken the time to unravel what they need to do, while what I am seeing as the internet community is a whole lot of people looking for a shortcut that doesn't require any brain work or any great amount of effort. It is a depressing proposition and one that has driven most serious competitors away from having to much to do with big forums other than an occasion drop in to see if the tide has changed. The government has had a major hard-on to squelch steroids and the like because they have become used a little too widely and and lot too irresponsibly.

If you have to perpetually cycle just to get to and maintain a normal weight, then you are going to have to just be one of those who stays on cycle to maintain a normal weight ... not a good trap to get yourself into, and a ticket to TRT and HRT for life and a host of heart and circulation problems. What you have to do to succeed with or without steroids is to solve the underlying issues for you as an individual before you are going to make any significant progress.

What every person needs to do that is concerned with fitness, bodybuilding, and the like is to unlock the mystery of their own body. Everyone's is different, everyone's responds differently to different eating and exercise schedules, but by and large if you will experiment enough with an open mind, you will find what works for you and you will grow to your potential.

Once you get past all of the false build up of the potential of steroids, you find the reality. If you are a professional athlete that needs to recover quickly due to some nagging injuries, if you are a already accomplished athlete of some sort who has achieved his / her natural potential, or if you have a medical condition then steroids are a real benefit. If you are just using them to somehow shortcut finding out how you tick and/or as a substitute to some real work and dedication, you will end up just another face on a forums somewhere talking about your 20th cycle and how you're sure you're going to break 185 this time.

The advice that everyone has been trying to give you is really all related to your question ... solve your problem first, cycle after you have it figured out and dialed in. that way you will be on the way to your goal. Otherwise, you are destined to become a sub 200 pin-cushion for life.

Best of luck to you. If you haven't already done so, I would go see an endocrinologist and have him pull a hormone panel on you. There may be a medical reason behind your current struggles. If your thyroid or other gland is firing out of whack, you will burn through muscle tissue much faster than you could ever dream of building it. Same with a few other conditions. In any event, solve the underlying issue, and you will be on the way to your goal.

[seriousmass]

Red Baron, I've never really seen you on this forum, but honestly the last 4 post I've read from you have been the some of the most thorough, and well-said comments that I have ever read on this site. Props bro!

[RedBaron]

Red Baron, I've never really seen you on this forum, but honestly the last 4 post I've read from you have been the some of the most thorough, and well-said comments that I have ever read on this site. Props bro!

Thanks Seriousmass

I have been around forever, but for the most part I hang around the peptide areas. There are tons of folks that can handle the steroid issues, but not quite as many in the peptide areas, so since I usually find myself with limited time to do much posting, I just check in there.

Of late, it just seems that increasingly steroids have been demonized by our collective irresponsible use of them. Used wisely and in the right circumstances, I think they are a great benefit. Used the way I see them increasing used today, they are a blight on society. Hopefully we will collectively wise up before the government succeeds in the demonizing campaign. We need to get that message out far and wide.

[T-MOS]

if i will be eating, lets say, 6000 calories a day, then how and why will i loose the gains???

Now plz try to answer that without thinking "why dont you eat that much now and gain muscle naturally?"...as that will not answer the question.

Here i will list the numbers where the reasons go because 1st, so i could make it clearer for you to understand what i REALLY want to know. 2nd to simplify matters for you...

Reasons you wont be able to keep your gains after you get off the cycle:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
Etc...

I suggest if you want ANY more help, you lose the condescending attitude !!!

[higherdesire]

THanks Tmos, x2 man.

[TractionIssues]

The smaller your natural weight before steroids , the higher the chances that you greatly reduce your max potential... You can only grow so much from steroids, and if you use them when your small, your max potential will probably be only that of an average person. Learn the ins and outs of training, dieting, and what works best for you, and then you will make much better gains, you will keep more of them, and you will be more educated and more successful in what you do.

Good luck, and do it the right way.

[RedBaron]

The funny thing is this ... if you do eat 6000 calories a day and merely maintain your current 165-175, let's turn the question around. What the heck makes you think that if that number of calories is merely maintaining that weight that it would suddenly maintain a higher weight? Sorry to break the news, but the body doesn't work that way.

I seriously suspect a medical condition (thyroid?) or the like behind your woes. If you can eat 5-6k calories a day and stay at 170 pounds at your height ... something is rotten in denmark. If you can't gain muscle or weight eating and training the way you have set forth as your routine, then there is NO WAY you are going to hold onto any gains that a cycle might provide.

Again, the best advice anyone can offer - solve the problem ... and you will start to grow.

[higherdesire]

My suspicion here is that we are not dealing with truth to begin with. I do not believe the 4500 cals a day and do not believe the 10 yrs experience. The more I think about the less I believe we even have an adult here.

[sveinbi]

if i will be eating, lets say, 6000 calories a day, then how and why will i loose the gains???

i'm not expert, but you probably wont lose all the gains that way. but why dont you eat 6000cal now and gain without steroids ?

Now plz try to answer that without thinking "why dont you eat that much now and gain muscle naturally?"...as that will not answer the question.

But the answer is that a person that starts at low weight taking steroids isnt eating enough. why do you think you can eat enough when you start the steroids, because its obvious you cant now.

Here i will list the numbers where the reasons go because 1st, so i could make it clearer for you to understand what i REALLY want to know. 2nd to simplify matters for you...

Reasons you wont be able to keep your gains after you get off the cycle:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
Etc...

1. your diet isnt working or its your training that isnt working.
2. you say you can change diet when you start a cycle, but why cant you do it before you start?

[TractionIssues]

WAIT GUYS I FOUND THE PROBLEM!!!!

This kid thinks steroids are something called... "THE MAGIC SOLUTION!!!!" *Magical sound effects* And that you can simply take them and have the body of Adonis himelf BAM! I mean havn't you seen all the other sub 200lbs kids on here that took them too early and now go how come I can't gain anymore?