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10-13-2009, 03:49 PM #81
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Why do you kep talking about getting another doctor?? I saw the bloodwork she did nothing wrong! All the tsts for lipids and my LFT's were all well within range when I asked about them! It was nothing to do with my docotor! It just went south after the tests the stress of the orals must have finally took their toll! I do not like having to take all the meds trust me! the Methadone also makes D-bol work like shit and makes me feel like crappola instead of great like it used to! But If I switch to a different type of pain med, then lose my insurance I will just have to switch back! Trust me i have been plaugued with this dilemma for wuite some time and I am not at all happy about it either!
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10-13-2009, 03:51 PM #82
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Thanks bro I appreciate it! I try a lot of different methods so I do not have to take all my prescibed dosae everyday! Lidocaine patches, Heating pad, Icy Hot, Long sokes in the tub, Stretching etc. etc. As i said, if i am not doing much, i try and not take as much but basically, when I need it, I need it! Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland
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10-13-2009, 03:59 PM #83
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if the discs are not next to each other, they would not do a 10" incision, they would do separate incisions. I understand your apprehension, but I had back surgery several years ago thanks to one of my motorcycle accidents, and I made a full recovery. Before the surgery I had chronic pain, and if I moved wrong my legs would just give out and I would fall like a rag doll. I've busted myself up pretty well over the years, and have had multiple surgeries, and I'm good as (or better than) new. you really should consider letting them fix you, the pain is the symptom of the problem, it's always better to address the problem itself rather than addressing the symptom.
good luck.
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10-13-2009, 04:13 PM #84
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Originally Posted by ninesecz
this is why i keep bringing up getting seen by someone else.
im sorry u hurt man, but u are a walking chemistry experiement.
Eyes are nice and yellow from the orals
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10-13-2009, 05:05 PM #85
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That's the key here. Originally Posted by Mooseman33
You're medicating for the short term. But in reality you're just screwing yourself in the long run. Do you think prolonged use of barbiturates, pain meds, and sedatives has no implications?
You're on a concoction of multiple oral medications... all which are considered to impact liver function greatly...
There's no doubt in my mind how you got jaundice...
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10-13-2009, 05:19 PM #86
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I agree I would not even consider oral steroids with that kind of meds and would prob have to take a step back and reevaluate the whole thing myself. Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man
That's the key here.
You're medicating for the short term. But in reality you're just screwing yourself in the long run. Do you think prolonged use of barbiturates, pain meds, and sedatives has no implications?
You're on a concoction of multiple oral medications... all which are considered to impact liver function greatly...
There's no doubt in my mind how you got jaundice...
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10-13-2009, 05:36 PM #87
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Ok we need an internet intervention here or what? Someone get A&E on the phone...
Nine, bro do the right thing. We support you bro.
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10-13-2009, 06:36 PM #88
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Big I appreciate the insight My discs are L-5 L-3 S-1 and S-2 is starting to go! I know surgery is the right thing to do and I have thought about it several times.. Everytime I do I think this.. I am going to wake up and hear Beep... Beep.. Beep and then go to sit up and have no feeling from the waist down.. I scream and the Doc comes in and says Mr. Ninesecz, We had some complications and there is a chance you may never walk again! I just will not risk that right now! I yhave never broken a bone and only had stitches in my ear when it got bit! I have crashed a drag car at 135Mph Been in 50+ fights ( Was a bouncer for years) crashed downhill on mountain bikes crashed skiing and almost cut myself in half going down the power lines on a snowmobile when I fell off the side off the R.R. bed and missed a steel bridge support by 2" ! I have been pretty lucky with not being seriously hurt with some serious crashes!
(couple car accidents too!) I just have this weird intuition that after all those non planned accidents and walking away without a scratch, if I go under the knife planned I will come out screwed up! I know I would probably feel great But i am just not a firm beleiver in medicine! as I said my Aunt, my Grandma, and On top of it my mothers Doctor, who she had for 20 years, never tested her for rhumetoid Arthritis and she lived with it fpor 4 years untreated until her doc moved and the new doc diagnosed it at the inital consultation! Maybe when I get into my mid 40's I will have the cut and paste done, for know, I will live on Pain killers and know 100% I will wake up the next Day Walking.. Hey look What just happened to my Boy Adam Goldstein (DJ A.M.) Lied to all of us that he was still clean and then O.D. This is about the 15th person I have personally known that has O.D. on Pills! That keeps me from ever taking more than, or even close to what I am prescribed! I actually Know a family that lost 2 brothers and a sister all to heroin within 24 months! Oldest brother Died... Then 9months later the younger brother, then 10 months later three Sister got a loaded dose! Mom lost all 3 kids in 2 years!
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10-13-2009, 10:23 PM #89
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Originally Posted by ninesecz
Where do you get your information?
Suboxone is "25-40x" stronger then morphine at relieving pain. In the aspect of pain relief, suboxone is one of the most powerful meds available.
Suboxone does not create the euphoria that takes peoples awareness off the pain, and because of this people THINK its not good at what it does. Pain is very emotionally subjective. When you get shot, you're too shocked to feel pain. When you're on morphine, you're too high to feel pain.(till you grow a tolerance) But biologically speaking, suboxone does a much better job blocking nerve messages up the spine.
If you didn't respond to it, thats because all opiates are underprescribed (dosage wise). But if you take 400mg of morphine, youd prob live. If you took that much of subox your heart would stop.
If you're getting tired of pain look into some ethnobotanicals like Kratom. Keep it by your side it will become a good friend and it works just as good as most opiates if not better.
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There is no S-2 disc unless your a 16 year old kid. Originally Posted by ninesecz
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10-13-2009, 10:42 PM #91
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Something about your posts just never seems to add up.... Originally Posted by ninesecz
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10-13-2009, 10:45 PM #92
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^^^^x2
All of this stuff seems a little too crazy
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10-13-2009, 10:49 PM #93
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This is the problem with giving out medical advice online... It's VERY dangerous. (I'm not trying to call you out here Bo... I'm just thinking out-loud.) Originally Posted by Bojangles69
Nine is on a LOT of medication. Suboxone is a very effective drug you're right... but I'm pretty sure Nine is taking tranquilizers... as I'm sure you know from your psych degree, Suboxone + tranquilizers = death. (very severe overdose).
If one elects to take suboxone they should rid themselves of all other "pain" related meds. (don't want to mess with buprenorphine!!!!) haha.
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10-13-2009, 11:16 PM #94
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No absolutely I understand. Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man
I just hate how bup gets such a bad wrap. If anyone knows anything about bup and sees you with a bottle first thing they'll prob think is you're a drug addict.
And then you have masses of people who don't like it cause its not a "happy pill" & won't give you any sort of euphoria. But when you look at the momentum of pharmaceutical technology, creating drugs that are stronger at relieving pain, and weaker at creating addiction, is something I consider a VERY positive change.
So it just irritates me a bit when people overlook that fact.
But I hear yah loud and clear
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Something isnt right here !! Originally Posted by ninesecz
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10-14-2009, 03:12 AM #96
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The Lumbar region of the spine is the weight bearing area, especially L3-5. Thats why your in so much pain. Originally Posted by ninesecz
There is no way they would make a "10 inch" cut, to operate on both the lumbar and sacral regions. Not a chance my friend.
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10-14-2009, 03:15 AM #97
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....... Originally Posted by marcus300
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Just in case anyone missed it the first time. Originally Posted by MuscleScience;4***872
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10-14-2009, 10:52 AM #99
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now it makes sense....
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10-14-2009, 11:45 AM #100
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LOLLL. Originally Posted by MuscleScience
M.S. I love how you called it like 2 - 3 days ago.
I knew ninesecz was a liar, but these testimonies are just starting to get ridiculous. I haven't raised this flag in ages... but this is a suitable situation, lol
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10-14-2009, 11:46 AM #101
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10-14-2009, 11:57 AM #102
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hahaha Originally Posted by ninesecz
BTW, traditional lumbar is generally the only form of fusion surgery that would require an 8- to 10-inch incision. Nowadays, doctors are leaning towards endoscopic surgery (requiring a 2 - 3 inch incision).
You should really review your doctors advice with another medical professional. But, perhaps you're just self-diagnosing yourself, and spewing out a bunch of rubbish (which is really what it seems like to me.)
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10-15-2009, 07:48 AM #103
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Keep in mind that methadone will take a way your overall feeling of well being. You do not get a buzz from methadone like some of the other narcotics. It causes depression and brain fog. Bad stuff IMO.. Originally Posted by ninesecz
If they do surgery they will need to go ahead and remove the L-2
along with your L-3, L-4 and S-1. If they don't do it then odds are great you will need a second surgey later down the road to fix it.
In regards to having surgery the choice is yours. As BIG stated you could walk away virtually pain free but I have seen some get worse and have to take even more pain pills. They would have to do a multi-level fusion and if it were me I would go somewhere well known like the Texas Back Institute for something like this. Don't be afraid of all doctors because once your leg pain kicks in to the point you cannot sleep you will be ready to have surgery!
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Wow .... I just read this thread... One of the first things that comes to mind is that you didn't post what your free test levels are?? unless I missed that post ( Free test is more important than total test levels, when it comes to putting on mass.. ).. so what is your free test levels ?
You stated that you took your blood work at wk five .. Keep in mind that the 5 wk mark is only a general guideline ( that alot of Dr follow ) .. It does not mean you have definitely reached peak blood plasma levels ... You where using Cyp which is a long ester and is why you hear some guys say that they dont see gains until like week five or 6 ( when using a longer chained ester..) .. Also why you see peeps advise doing at least 10 wks when using cyp or test E.. Many do 12 to 16 weeks .. Which makes me think your diet and training are more than likely to be the culprit..
You also never mentioned if this is your first cycle ?? If not .. Did you do a proper pct ?? If so.. Did you wait the proper amount of time to recover ( back to baseline) ?? If not and you cycled again you would already have suppressed HPTA and that could be part of the problem .. Lots of stuff going on here so its kinda hard to say..Last edited by Merc.; 10-15-2009 at 09:23 AM.
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1400 isn't all that low
it's about 2x the likely high point in your life when you were producing the most test
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10-15-2009, 09:41 AM #106
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Nine is on TRT no need for PCT. Originally Posted by Merc.
This is no where near his first cycle.
Don't bother trying to re-read the whole thread; you'll just end up getting tangled in a web of his ever so.. umm... 'intricate' lies. LOL.
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Originally Posted by Kratos
TRUTH
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Yea He says TRT.. But using a 500 mg dose is not HRT.... You are right ^^^ .. Gotcha .. Thanks ... Originally Posted by Vitruvian-Man
Last edited by Merc.; 10-15-2009 at 09:53 AM.
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your doc is a quack for keeping you on that dose of narcs.
You don't have an S-2 disc, or rather you have a vistigal, non functional disc that wouldn't be breaking down or going.
L-3-4 or L2-3 is less likely to be causing your pain depending on which you are talking about.
That just leaves L5-S1.
You should see a qualified surgeon and see what your options are.
I worked in Spine for 8 years. You should take the chance with the level of Narcs you are on.
Btw, you can't get paralized from an operation of the Lumbar spine. The Nerves have already exited for walking. The worst thing that can happen is something called foot drop wherre you can't control the up and down motion of your foot. So, they have to wear a brace for your foot and it's limiting but not as limiting as not walking.
You can get L5-S1 fused minimally invasively. They can go in through your belly and throw a graft up front. Then put screws in the back with guide wires and you'll just have a series of bullet holes in your back. It sounds invasive, but it's really not. It doesn't take much muscle trauma to get into your belly.
Find out more about your surgical options.
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drug dependance at its finest
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Your boy? Originally Posted by ninesecz
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Yup, funny how addicts will deflect any & all of the blame towards externalities. This thread is a perfect example of an addictive mindset. Originally Posted by chuckt12345
500mg of test per week... NOT FOR EVERYONE!! Originally Posted by premedreject
Your boy?
lol. glad someone else noticed that.
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