HELP! My first cycle.

**turborx7s** · 01-27-2010, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by Phate

you won't be saying that if you keep running oral cycles, you're going to desiccate your liver, not to mention the hundreds of other processes you are screwing with that you don't even know about

He's absolutely right. At the very very minimum, go get a work up done. Check your liver and kidney's too. I have a dr. friend who has told me he has seen on more than once occasion mid-20's guys that have had the livers of 60 year old alcoholics from oral usage. And the best part is, you prob. won't even know it until it's too late!

**Phate** · 01-27-2010, 05:36 PM

Originally Posted by turborx7s

He's absolutely right. At the very very minimum, go get a work up done. Check your liver and kidney's too. I have a dr. friend who has told me he has seen on more than once occasion mid-20's guys that have had the livers of 60 year old alcoholics from oral usage. And the best part is, you prob. won't even know it until it's too late!

so true, btw, in case anyone want to know, the very first sign of jaundice that you can actually see is when your sublingual frenulum(if you lift your tongue to the room of your mouth it's the piece under your tongue connecting it to your mandible) turns yellow, after that the eyes turn yellow and so on and so forth

but the first sign is the frenulum

**Brian McClay** · 01-27-2010, 06:32 PM

im down for the help! from all, without sounding like making excuses couple years is along time, which am willing to wait if i can see improvement soon and regular my concern and reason for the dbol , i was affraid of all pain and no gain im pretty slim with no fat to turn to muscle (if thats how it works) i will post some pics then let you guys decide p.s thanks everyone

**Brian McClay** · 01-27-2010, 06:36 PM

I think that the above says it all . put down the steroids concentrate on diet and trainning and in the meantime do a lot of research READ FIRST CYCLE sticky and you will be much better off

**sammyss74** · 01-29-2010, 10:00 PM

im totally with you on this phate! i changed my diet completely taking shakes at night and mornings, but with all do respect to your knowledge i kinda agree with the guy saying it helps, i guess you can say motivates him. im willing to put fourth the effort but for my own mind set I NEED RESULTS fast i really really have to lose the gut! Even if i requires me to ad other stuff to the dbol but would like to try without any of it

**Phate** · 01-29-2010, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by sammyss74

im totally with you on this phate! i changed my diet completely taking shakes at night and mornings, but with all do respect to your knowledge i kinda agree with the guy saying it helps, i guess you can say motivates him. im willing to put fourth the effort but for my own mind set I NEED RESULTS fast i really really have to lose the gut! Even if i requires me to ad other stuff to the dbol but would like to try without any of it

why? i've waited 4 years to start my first cycle, so if i can wait 4 years why can't you wait a fraction of that?

**wsraiders** · 02-01-2010, 07:50 AM

oh yeah! maybe if you read before you reply you would see i said i don't want to do any juice long term. You could say the same thing about alcohol if you abuse it, so what's you point! It works to get the ball rolling in the right direction, not everyone wants to look like over grown brute, some of us just want to improve strength to can get bigger on are own with out any juice! so Mr know it all, stop hating on the D-bol it works!!! and about the 100 hundred effect it has on the body get over yourself with that bs, you can say that about anything. I LOVE D-BOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

**bjohnson1968** · 02-01-2010, 08:21 AM

bro your way out of line with your attitude and your thought process Phate is one of the most knowledgable guys I've talked with...I haven't seen himewrite at all that dbol doesnt work!!!! you need to loose your attitude and do a little research yourself before giving misguided advice just imho!!!!

**lexruger** · 02-01-2010, 08:23 AM

hey dbol dude, do you have a pct planned? You sound like you dont know what dbol even stands for. Dont pretend like this dbol only shit is just a one time thing, it never usually is, because as soon as you lost everything you "gained" your gonna need some more magic pills to make you big! Plus, if your definition of being bigger is water bloat then you have a lot to learn. Ever wonder why dbol is a kickstart and not "just" the cycle? IF Dbol was so great and proven to be great by itself dont you think people would do it more and it would be suggested by vets? Why dont you chill on that dumb shit and learn something without opening your mouth to talk about things that you have no idea about?

**lexruger** · 02-01-2010, 08:26 AM

Originally Posted by wsraiders

oh yeah! maybe if you read before you reply you not everyone wants to look like over grown brute, some of us just want to improve strength to can get bigger on are own with out any juice! ..... I LOVE D-BOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

This guys a smart one...

**PistolStarta** · 02-01-2010, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by lexruger

This guys a smart one...

well its true pills arent liquid form lol....Still juice though.

**turborx7s** · 02-01-2010, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by wsraiders

oh yeah! maybe if you read before you reply you would see i said i don't want to do any juice long term. You could say the same thing about alcohol if you abuse it, so what's you point! It works to get the ball rolling in the right direction, not everyone wants to look like over grown brute, some of us just want to improve strength to can get bigger on are own with out any juice! so Mr know it all, stop hating on the D-bol it works!!! and about the 100 hundred effect it has on the body get over yourself with that bs, you can say that about anything. I LOVE D-BOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

**Fetch** · 02-01-2010, 09:05 AM

My first cycle was DBol only at 40Mgs a day for 10 weeks, with Clomid/Tamox PCT for 6 weeks coming off. I put on 30 lbs during cycle, kept around 6-7 pounds.

I wish I had used half the amount of that DBol as a kickstart with some Test. The prime benefit of DBol is that it is a feel good steroid . It helps you get strong fast, and you feel more confidence as a result. Unfortunately, the balloon pops when you stop taking them, which is why people suggest taking it in combination with a longer lasting steroid.

**PuzzyFalker** · 02-01-2010, 09:34 AM

Here's my two cents. If you started a real cycle right now, before your ready, heres what might happen. You will see huge gains but right when your starting to get big you might tear a ligament or tendon. You need to train for years before taking aas because those body parts need to be strong and aas dosent strengthen them. Everybody else has covered all other areas so I had to find something. heh