Ketotifen/Benadryl War Thread

[durak]

tballz: up front i have no medical knowledge. so clen makes you shake. whatever you choose ben or ket should be validated if you continue to get the shakes.... if it did not work then the clen would be ineffective and no shakes...

just a really really simple thought.

[scrappydoo]

Im glad this thread came up. I started another thread asking about this. Ive been on the ECA stack so long I was wondering if my receptors were shot. Ive been taking Benydryl. The symptoms with Clen I have is shakes, headache and cramping. But I dont feel any warmer and im not sweating... Is my Clen working? I didnt take my temp. before I started so
I dont have a baseline.

[tballz]

Usually the shakes are caused by the adrenaline and that is how the stuff works but if the "thermogenic" process is slowed or stopped you may still get that. Thats a nervous system effect and seperate from fatty acid oxidation.

B2's excite the adrenal glands to produce, but the receptor lock and key mechanism can still be downgraded, so adrenaline releases but the receptors are not then working to initiate the fat oxidation.

This answered this:

tballz: up front i have no medical knowledge. so clen makes you shake. whatever you choose ben or ket should be validated if you continue to get the shakes.... if it did not work then the clen would be ineffective and no shakes...

just a really really simple thought.

[Phate]

Im glad this thread came up. I started another thread asking about this. Ive been on the ECA stack so long I was wondering if my receptors were shot. Ive been taking Benydryl. The symptoms with Clen I have is shakes, headache and cramping. But I dont feel any warmer and im not sweating... Is my Clen working? I didnt take my temp. before I started so
I dont have a baseline.

ECA or ECY can be run over 26 weeks with no decrease in efficiency

[durak]

tballz: so are you rightfully calling me out for not reading all the posts? score +1 for tballz.

[scrappydoo]

ECA or ECY can be run over 26 weeks with no decrease in efficiency

thank you sir, but is my Clen working? or do i have the symptoms but not fat oxidization because im not sweating?

[Phate]

thank you sir, but is my Clen working? or do i have the symptoms but not fat oxidization because im not sweating?

hold up, are you taking ephedrine and clen ? if so that's pointless, not to mention dangerous

[scrappydoo]

sorry if I wasnt clear. I WAS on ECA, stopped. Started on Benydrl for 7 days then started Clen

[toothache]

I would not use eca with clen . Can you say tachycardia

[RoadToRecovery]

It was already established that he did not.

[toothache]

It was already established that he did not.

Right....I was just saying for anyone else that are thinking about it.

[RoadToRecovery]

Is the war over now?

[ZoomyR6]

Well I have been on clen for 2 weeks now and started keto 3 nights ago and still not feeling the clen anymore. I took 140mcg today and going to go for 160 tomorrow to see if I still feel it. Anyone know how long the keto takes to go into effect and to start feeling the clen again?

[bigpapabuff]

your body may be adjusting, I am sure the clen is still working, especially with that dose. Personally I would be happy to get the clen effects without the shakes and the sweats.

[jasperhup]

thanks. I know they do, but it take a few weeks to make it to me in Canada. I just thought if the pharmacy had it, it would be quicker.

i'm in toronto and just got a load from arr here quick and fast. pretty legit service, but i wish the alcohol wipes had the lion logo on it like they did in the picture!

[tballz]

tballz: so are you rightfully calling me out for not reading all the posts? score +1 for tballz.

hahaa....i'll take that point! Thanks!

[Walnutz]

Copy/Paste from another board

Ketotifen
Ketotifen is an anti-histamine used medically to treat bronchial asthma and allergies. It has a sedative and depressant effect on the brain. It acts by decreasing the release of histamine which is a chemical released when an allergic reaction occurs. Ketotifen blocks the action of histamine on special histamine receptors and reduces the nerve response when an allergic reaction occurs.

Histamine is the chemical in the body that causes the symptoms of an allergic (hypersensitivity) reaction. These can include inflammation of the skin, airways or tissues, rashes, itching and of the skin, eyes or nose, nasal congestion and narrowing of the airways. By blocking the actions of histamine, ketotifen may prevent and relieve the narrowing of the airways that occurs in asthma due to allergies.

However, bodybuilders are interested in the drug as it has been shown to inhibit the down regulation of the beta receptors, including the beta 2s that clen stimulates. As long as you are taking ketotifen, it will continue to clean these receptors, never allowing them to downregulate, even while on a heavy clen cycle. That means you can continue to take clen indefinitely without having to cycle off to regenerate the receptors. A dose of 2-3mg daily can upregulate even severely shut down receptors within a week.

It also means that you don't need as much clen to get the same benefits. It seems you can take about 30-40% less clen and it be equally effective.

No studies have been done to find the most effective dose though most users should find 3-4mg daily ideal, which can be split or taken in one sitting. Higher doses are likely to cause (sometimes severe) drowsiness and increase appetite.

[Rocksteady316]

if you want can you just take keto every night instead of waiting till the 3rd week

also if u do wait till the 3rd week to take it, how long do u take it for??

[Walnutz]

I like to start taking it right away because it helps me get to sleep. 1mg/day at night. I take it as long as I'm on clen .

[Rocksteady316]

thanks wal, yeah iv been takin the benadryl just cuz im addicted to it when it comes to sleeping plus i itch at night, but if the keto is more powerful and does the same thing ill just switch it up...

[Walnutz]

I prefer ketotifen.

[RoadToRecovery]

keto is not more powerful and is more expensive.