T400/TrenE cycle..need advice

**Redy4TC** · 02-25-2010, 06:48 PM

22 YO 185lbs 12% fat. did one test cyp/tren e cycle last year.

looking to go with this t400 stuff everyone is talkin about.
and some tren dosed at 200mg/ml

here is my ? about injections should i do:

1/2cc t400 & 1/2cc tren eod

or

1cc t400 & 1cc tren twice a week??

i wana keep it at about 800mg test a week and 400 mg tren a week..

have clomid and tamox on hand and have some decent knowledge on pct

**daem** · 02-25-2010, 06:57 PM

There really isn't any reason to run an Enanthate ester EOD...Hit the 1cc x 2/wk plan that you have and you'll spend less time injecting and also have less need to rotate injection sites.

Just curious...If you are 185 after a cycle of test + tren , what were you before that?

How tall are you? Perhaps it's time to tweak diet / splits before your gear regiment if you have not yet filled out your frame on AAS.

**Redy4TC** · 02-25-2010, 07:01 PM

well after my cycle i was damn near 200lbs...slacked off da gym fr almost a month dropped to about 189 and been tweakin my diet for the last month to lean out before i get on my aas again but before any gear i was at 178lbs..

the only reason i was thinkin of shootin eod with the t400 blend was because of the diff esters in the t400 blend

oh and by the way im 5'9" or jst right under

**flyspyder55** · 02-25-2010, 07:33 PM

Originally Posted by daem

There really isn't any reason to run an Enanthate ester EOD...Hit the 1cc x 2/wk plan that you have and you'll spend less time injecting and also have less need to rotate injection sites.

Just curious...If you are 185 after a cycle of test + tren , what were you before that?

How tall are you? Perhaps it's time to tweak diet / splits before your gear regiment if you have not yet filled out your frame on AAS.

you are absolutly wrong on injections. i dont know where this idea that long estered steroids need shot weekly and short esters need shot daily comes from.

regaurdless of how long the ester is, the more often you shoot the more consistent your blood levels are. shoot EVERYTHING ED or EOD. needles are cheap... do whatever you can to be safer every cycle/

i do agree on a diet/workout change may be what you need.

**daem** · 02-25-2010, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by flyspyder55

you are absolutly wrong on injections. i dont know where this idea that long estered steroids need shot weekly and short esters need shot daily comes from.

regaurdless of how long the ester is, the more often you shoot the more consistent your blood levels are. shoot EVERYTHING ED or EOD. needles are cheap... do whatever you can to be safer every cycle/

i do agree on a diet/workout change may be what you need.

It's not a matter of NEED, it's a matter of convenience. In this case, he saves pins, prevents more scar tissue build up in sites, and decreases the risk for an abcess. Yes, the volume of gear is small, but the chances still exist if he isn't rotating sites.

This topic of shooting an enanthate ester ED or EOD are old and beaten up...All you need to do is check out half lives to understand that there is no tangible benefit to running that ester ED or EOD compared to twice weekly.

The weight of the ester influences the uptake into the system, which is NOT increased via ED or EOD injections of enanthate.

**Redy4TC** · 02-25-2010, 09:07 PM

So which is better?

**daem** · 02-25-2010, 09:23 PM

You can take the advice of someone with 5 posts that joined this month, or someone like me that has been on this site helping thousands of people since 2002.

The choice is yours!

**Redy4TC** · 02-25-2010, 09:45 PM

Thanks daem!!

**Redy4TC** · 02-26-2010, 02:02 AM

what kind of gains can i expect?

**Redy4TC** · 03-03-2010, 11:02 AM

As for pct do I need tamox, clomid, and adex?
Does adex need to be taken during cycle to prevent gyno?
Also heard it's good to throw in some cabergoline. What will this do? Andis it neccesary?

**pilotR1** · 03-03-2010, 11:34 AM

I was thinking about the similar cycle for lean bulking, will it make sense to add any tabs to this combo?

**TwoGuns** · 03-03-2010, 11:47 AM

a common pct looks like this
clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20

Does adex need to be taken during cycle to prevent gyno?

alot of people will start with 10mgs ED or EOD and go from there.

The caber is for the prolactin sides from the tren .

**redz** · 03-03-2010, 12:07 PM

I can`t belive how much bad advice is being handed out advice today. 10mgs ed or eod of adex is way way too much, try .25mg eod.

**Redy4TC** · 03-03-2010, 12:35 PM

thanks redz! but is pct proper protocol??

clomid 100/50/50/50
nolva 40/20/20/20

and how should caber be taken?

**RANA** · 03-03-2010, 12:37 PM

Originally Posted by redz

I can`t belive how much bad advice is being handed out advice today. 10mgs ed or eod of adex is way way too much, try .25mg eod.

Damn, nice catch

**redz** · 03-03-2010, 12:38 PM

I take caber 500mcg twice per week if I do but sometimes I just keep it on hand in case I need it. That pct looks ok I run mine a bit different but most go with higher dosing then me.

Nolva 40,40,20,20
Clomid 50,50,25,25

I just found the higher doses of clomid made me too emotional.

**TwoGuns** · 03-03-2010, 12:41 PM

sorry ment .10 mgs eod then if needed more .10 ed. this is what i have have read in these forums. sorry if i am wrong.

**Redy4TC** · 03-03-2010, 05:18 PM

Ok sweet thanks alot guys. One last question. If I wanted to run sum anavar , would u suggest running it 4-6 weeks, beggining, middle or end of cycle??

**daem** · 03-03-2010, 05:46 PM

Hit the end of the cycle when you are likely your leanest (hopefully).

**RANA** · 03-03-2010, 06:15 PM

Originally Posted by daem

Hit the end of the cycle when you are likely your leanest (hopefully).

I agree^^^^^^

**Redy4TC** · 03-08-2010, 12:02 AM

What would be the benefits of running 400mg of test compared to 800 mg of test?? or vice versa?

**E Police 183** · 03-08-2010, 01:02 AM

Here my problem with this thread and lost of threads lately. People who have done proper research and what not shouldn't have all these questions. It should be the basic.."here my cycle, any critiques" or "Heres my cycle, any minor tweaks?" You should pretty much have you PCT down, thats the most important thing. You should def know what each ester and substance does, and for the most part should know ur dosages. Alo leaning out at 178? bro thats to small, you wanna lean out at somewhere around 195-200 at your height.

Also to the person who said "You can take the advice of someone with 5 posts that joined this month, or someone like me that has been on this site helping thousands of people since 2002.
The choice is yours!"
I didnt look back at any of his posts but just because someone is a new member to the site doesn't mean that he has no clue what he's talking about. Frankly someone who just joined may have more knowledge then half the people on here they just may be new to this site. It can always be the other way around, nothing against either poster just saying.