Gains from prop

**liftw8t** · 04-03-2010, 10:22 AM

What are your gains like from using prop usually and are they more solid than long esters? I really don't like the lose of gains after a long ester 8+ plus week cycle, i mean you take 8 weeks to gain all that weight but only takes 4 to lose it quite frustrating. So I hope with prop I have better luck.

**mad dogs** · 04-03-2010, 10:29 AM

lean/fast/keepable for me

8-10 weeks cycle at 100-150mgs very day gives me some very good gains indeed (around 15lbs lean)

**liftw8t** · 04-03-2010, 10:50 AM

nice and hardly any water retention either?

**mad dogs** · 04-03-2010, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by liftw8t

nice and hardly any water retention either?

nope ,keep the diet clean and there will be no warter ,make sure you get a painless prop man as it can be a bitch if useing a painfull prop.

**liftw8t** · 04-03-2010, 11:06 AM

oh didnt know they made a painless prop i planned to follow up with a b12 shot

**mad dogs** · 04-03-2010, 11:16 AM

most ugl,s dont beacsue there to tight to get eo ,any good brewer can make prop painless at 150mgs/ml this is how ugl,s should work but they dont.

**liftw8t** · 04-03-2010, 11:34 AM

yeah i notice most UG are 100mg/ml. Anyone else care to share there prop experience

**AlphaGenetics** · 04-03-2010, 11:46 AM

Prop is my favorite test. Gains and recovery are quick. I run it for 8 weeks. I brew my own and its mostly painless.

**liftw8t** · 04-03-2010, 11:48 AM

do you shut down easy on prop, would HCG be needed and also how effective would a 4wk cycle be?

**mad dogs** · 04-03-2010, 11:50 AM

4 week cycle is cutting it fine bud i would say 6 week min with prop at arond 100mgs per day ,hcg is not needed imo,shutdown for me is not too bad at all a simple nolvadex and clomid pct for 3-4 week and am right as rain after.

**AlphaGenetics** · 04-03-2010, 11:58 AM

I wouldnt run hcg for a short prop cycle. You will be shut down but recovery is usually quick with nolva/clomid.

**liftw8t** · 04-03-2010, 12:04 PM

is an AI needed or is aromatization less likely that with test e

**mad dogs** · 04-03-2010, 12:15 PM

Originally Posted by liftw8t

is an AI needed or is aromatization less likely that with test e

no ai needed for me on prop , if your gyno prone you can use adex o cycle ,this wil keep of any bloat (minimul anyway) and keep all gyno at bay,or just good old nolvadex at 20mg every day on cycle for gyno probs.