20 Week Cycle Length ?

[oker]

Yes I do, check out my short cycle thread it will give you an idea what it consist of. I've used many systems but that's the one I've responded best to for gains vs sides. If you do it correctly the gains are amazing for sure.

Marcus - where is this "short cycle thread" you speak of? I looked for it in the threads you have listed here and on your public profile but can't seem to find it - very interested to read it.

Also, how long do you prime for before beginning your next cycle? Do you HRT/THT during that period or do you PCT?

Cheers in advance bro

[marcus300]

Marcus - where is this "short cycle thread" you speak of? I looked for it in the threads you have listed here and on your public profile but can't seem to find it - very interested to read it.

Also, how long do you prime for before beginning your next cycle? Do you HRT/THT during that period or do you PCT?

Cheers in advance bro

This the short burst cycle thread i wrote, it will give you more of an idea Short burst cycling- explained

[Bertuzzi]

I apologize, you're absolutely right, I read the thread you posted about priming. So in priming, the 3 days of lower carbs and 1 high carb day allows muscle to be spared because of the high carb day which is why its important to do it correctly and overcompensate on the high day or your loose muscle, but at the same time it allows your body to become more productive and storing carbs and glycogen and increases insulin sensitivity so when you do run another short cycle, you have dramatic gains? Wow that sounds even more amazing then ronnies STS. Especially because it allows HPTA recovery but not long enough to start losing gains if diet is on track. hmm...I think you've suddenly got me hooked Marcus. I was a little weary of ronnies system because i dont want to be on TRT this young and 20 week cycles increase the chances of needing it. So do you feel priming allows you to build muscle more quickly and retain it better than ANY other way of cycling?

Marcus - where is this "short cycle thread" you speak of? I looked for it in the threads you have listed here and on your public profile but can't seem to find it - very interested to read it.

Also, how long do you prime for before beginning your next cycle? Do you HRT/THT during that period or do you PCT?

Cheers in advance bro

Like I said.... This is what I used for my cycle and I have made insane gains. I will continue to cycle this way for sometime then try a few other ways just to see for myself.

Good Luck Guys, you will not regret spending the time to prime properly.

[Archangel.]

I'm a liar and my pics are about a year apart not wks not like have stated, sorry

[Archangel.]

I'm embarrassed now!!

[Swifto]

Just 'cause you're one of the big boys on this forum, doesn't mean you get the last word on an open thread. You're gonna try to "set me straight" publicly, then I'm gonna come right back and "publicly" put you in your place.

I think you should get the f*ck back in your place.

[Bertuzzi]

Just 'cause you're one of the big boys on this forum, doesn't mean you get the last word on an open thread. You're gonna try to "set me straight" publicly, then I'm gonna come right back and "publicly" put you in your place.

wow.... you need to chill it out....

and you did say 12 weeks...
Archangel.'s OFFICIAL Q & A Thread

Your walking down a dangerous path... maybe just keep your advice toyour own little "official" thread and no one will bother you....

[Bertuzzi]

I think you should get the f*ck back in your place.

You beat me too it... I was looking for his post where he said 12 weeks.

[marcus300]

I'm a liar and my pics are about a year apart not wks not like have stated, sorry

Ive told you before if you want to continue your silly lies little boy please pm me, keep this thread on topic, last warning

[Matt]

I'm a liar and my pics are about a year apart not wks not like have stated, sorry

Its good to see that you've finally come clean, liars are always caught out on here....

[Stiffmeister]

Agree with Marcus on this - and Ronnie defines the difference clearly between reload/deload/prime...short version: while on reload one uses ASS to their fullest potential or run at full cycle. On deload you have the choice of 1. lowering the dose, or 2. doing pct. The prime is something completely different whereby Ronnie suggests that you do NOT use any AAS, as Marcus has also said - to ad to that, Ronnie also goes on to mention that one should use the prime ONLY when u hit stagnation point, for example, burn-out or over-training. That is, you could stop training completely for a period of time or weight sets or work loads are reduced during the prime to make nuscles more responsive.

The STS is obviously for the experienced user or more specifically would be best suited for the BB doing TRT or HRT, or the professional, ‘competing’ BB. It should certainly NOT be recommended as a system to be used by the novice AAS user.

Nicely said. And I agree, it seems more and more obvious Ronnie's STS is for the advance user who never goes off anyways, not for the average 200lb bb who is under 25 (unless they are on TRT this young). I think many novices are reading his thread and thinking it's okay to cycle this way just because he mentions the TRAINING portion can be used by everyone, not the AAS use part.

Marcus, I honestly believe your priming method should be a sticky. Why? Because not only does it incorporate short cycles (8 weeks) which is great for a beginners or anybody's HPTA and recovery, but it allows maximum gains when you jump back on cycle. Who doesn't want that? And at the same time it forces us to have a consistent diet that is in check or else it won't work. Not only does it use short cycles, but short cycles means short off times which will limit or keep muscle loss to a minimum especially since all AAS are out of the body then.

I vote sticky!!!

[Swifto]

Ha ha ha....

[Archangel.]

I think you should get the f*ck back in your place.

LMAO, wow, you guys are sooo pathetic, I don't think the word actually does justice. Despite my arguing, I had a lot of respect for everyone of you, including marcus, until now. You guys are so insecure and up on your high ****ing horses that this the way you act. The ONLY reason I was ever defensive was when marcus and others called me an outright liar. I think any one of you would have been offended after the accomplishments you had made. Everyone on here has the right to their opinions, yes, but there's no need to call someone a liar, and say they're trying to deceive everyone just because THEY don't believe it.
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[marcus300]

Thread as been locked due to this baby crying , this thread will be unlocked when this issues as been reviewed.

Ive asked you 3 times to take it to pm but you didnt listen,

[marcus300]

Re-opened

[Swifto]

Gone.

[oker]

LMAO, wow, you guys are sooo pathetic, I don't think the word actually does justice. Despite my arguing, I had a lot of respect for everyone of you, including marcus, until now. You guys are so insecure and up on your high ****ing horses that this the way you act. The ONLY reason I was ever defensive was when marcus and others called me an outright liar. I think any one of you would have been offended after the accomplishments you had made. Everyone on here has the right to their opinions, yes, but there's no need to call someone a liar, and say they're trying to deceive everyone just because THEY don't believe it.
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His banning was imminent - like a cow to the slaughterhouse, and now minced burger meat…

[Sicko]

Great discussion men...Thanks for giving this attention w/ attached links to read...