Deca

**mg0922** · 12-25-2010, 11:12 AM

Im going to research the fact, but im curious to see what others say about This...

So if Deca is in my cycle and i stop it at wk ten, run the tes to 12wks , by the time pct is ready to go, I am aloud to take Nolva!! I hear so many ppl say dont take deca with nolva, they must be talking about during cycle?

MG

**HawaiianPride.** · 12-25-2010, 11:35 AM

Yes the are more than likely referring to while your "on". But it's a load of crap IMO. I personally have yet to come across any evidence showing that tamox upregulates PgR in the breast.

***D7M*** · 12-25-2010, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

Yes the are more than likely referring to while your "on". But it's a load of crap IMO. I personally have yet to come across any evidence showing that tamox upregulates PgR in the breast.

^Yep.

It's completely fine to use Nolva with 19nors.

**MBMETC** · 12-25-2010, 12:26 PM

I would run a 14 week cycle stopping deca at week 12, followed by pct at week 16 providing this is not a first cycle.
What is your planned cycle and pct

**mg0922** · 12-25-2010, 02:26 PM

i am not running a 14 wk cycle man sorry. This is my third cycle and this is how its gonna roll
first stats

age-25
height-5'10
weight -189
bf- 11-12% (havent tested in about a month)
years training - 5 years

first cycle - test e 250wk
second - test e 250wk deca 250wk

first cycle being at 24 didnt do a damn pct cuz im a dumdass and thought i was invisible.Lets just say from then on, ive done my homework!!! ANyways got blood work done a few times and everything is g2g!!

Third cycle-

*******
wks 1-4 dbol 40mg ed
wks 1-10 Deca 250mg wk
wks1-12 test e 500mg wk
wks 8-right up to PCT)(which is going to be 10 days after last shot of test) HCG 250ius 2x a wk (Which gives me about 5wks on HCG before PCT

PCT- Clomid 50/50/30/30
nolva 40/40/20/10
Also for the first 21 days of my pct im adding D-aspartic Acid to raise natty test.

***Not starting until i get my diet completely set up and ready to go. I have all my gear AND PCT layed out ready to go!

One more thing. I had absolutely NO sides during both cycles and recovered very well. I will have arimidex on hand ,but hopefully i dont need it. Being new to dbol, i will be ready to take it

**mg0922** · 12-25-2010, 02:29 PM

oh and thanks for the clear up guys on the nolva, not like im taking it during my cycle anyways. ive researched it also, idk why ppl say that..

**HawaiianPride.** · 12-25-2010, 03:13 PM

D-AA doesn't need to be taken post-PCT honestly. Your T-levels should be g2g 21 days after the last administration of your pct.

**Ashop** · 12-25-2010, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by mg0922

Im going to research the fact, but im curious to see what others say about This...

So if Deca is in my cycle and i stop it at wk ten, run the tes to 12wks , by the time pct is ready to go, I am aloud to take Nolva!! I hear so many ppl say dont take deca with nolva, they must be talking about during cycle?

MG

Yes you can run the NOLVA in your PCT. No problem.

**Oz82** · 12-25-2010, 03:26 PM

I have not see anything wrong to use nolva for pct after using deca .... I have done it many times and works fine.

cycle
1000 mg Test E week
1000 mg Deca week
500 mg EQ week
50 mg d bol ED for the first 12 weeks
50 mg winny last 12 weeks
AR arimedex 1mg ED

**mg0922** · 12-25-2010, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by HawaiianPride.

D-AA doesn't need to be taken post-PCT honestly. Your T-levels should be g2g 21 days after the last administration of your pct.

So your saying it would be completley unaffective?? Why exactly? just curious?

What i meant just so were clear Is ten days after my last shot, Im going to take DA_A for three weeks. Not start pct for three weeks than take it.

**mg0922** · 12-25-2010, 03:46 PM

OZ- did you seriously take 50mg of dbol for 12 weeks???

IM ACTUALLY A LITTLE CONFUSED OZ, IT THAT A CYCLE YOU DID ,THAT YOU JUST RANDOMLY DECIDED TO THROW UP THERE?

**HawaiianPride.** · 12-25-2010, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by mg0922

So your saying it would be completley unaffective?? Why exactly? just curious?

What i meant just so were clear Is ten days after my last shot, Im going to take DA_A for three weeks. Not start pct for three weeks than take it.

Ah gotcha. With 2 SERMS underway you really don't need to be supplementing an OTC product that claims to actually raise natty test but I can see it being useful for a libido boost since this is what most people claim it does in the reviews. Your call though.

**mg0922** · 12-26-2010, 01:10 AM

its actually not over the counter lol. But i understand what your saying.

thx for the tip.

How does the cycle look to you?

**MBMETC** · 12-26-2010, 07:32 AM

I'm glad to hear you had no sides on your first cycles but it was more than likely due to the low doses of compounds. I don't see 250mgs a week of deca being too effective, sorry jm2c. If you really want to run deca in your cycle consider running a higher dose of deca, say 500mgs and 250-300 mgs test allowing the deca to do the work.

**Bonaparte** · 12-26-2010, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by mg0922

its actually not over the counter lol. But i understand what your saying.

thx for the tip.

How does the cycle look to you?

DAA is the hot new test booster supplement. How is it not OTC?

**cro** · 12-26-2010, 08:40 AM

good 2 know

Originally Posted by ****

Yes you can run the NOLVA in your PCT. No problem.

**layeazy** · 12-26-2010, 03:14 PM

MBMETC why are u suggesting he run such a higher dose of deca in that case he could get the dreaded deca dick lol the cycle seems fine however i would probably agree if it your third cycle that the dosages might be a bit low however those dosages will give you limited sides so might be worth it...

**MBMETC** · 12-26-2010, 07:26 PM

Originally Posted by layeazy

MBMETC why are u suggesting he run such a higher dose of deca in that case he could get the dreaded deca dick lol the cycle seems fine however i would probably agree if it your third cycle that the dosages might be a bit low however those dosages will give you limited sides so might be worth it...

He can deffinately run a lower dose of test over deca and not experience deca dick. I don't see any point in running 250mgs of deca I think op will be disappointed, that's all. Jm2c

**eGGz** · 12-26-2010, 07:38 PM

I'd bump the Deca up to 400mg per week
Also recommend some caber, or bromo or prami.

**hankdiesel** · 12-26-2010, 08:00 PM

Originally Posted by mg0922

i am not running a 14 wk cycle man sorry. This is my third cycle and this is how its gonna roll
first stats

age-25
height-5'10
weight -189
bf- 11-12% (havent tested in about a month)
years training - 5 years

first cycle - test e 250wk
second - test e 250wk deca 250wk

first cycle being at 24 didnt do a damn pct cuz im a dumdass and thought i was invisible.Lets just say from then on, ive done my homework!!! ANyways got blood work done a few times and everything is g2g!!

Third cycle-

*******
wks 1-4 dbol 40mg ed
wks 1-10 Deca 250mg wk
wks1-12 test e 500mg wk
wks 8-right up to PCT)(which is going to be 10 days after last shot of test) HCG 250ius 2x a wk (Which gives me about 5wks on HCG before PCT

PCT- Clomid 50/50/30/30
nolva 40/40/20/10
Also for the first 21 days of my pct im adding D-aspartic Acid to raise natty test.

***Not starting until i get my diet completely set up and ready to go. I have all my gear AND PCT layed out ready to go!

One more thing. I had absolutely NO sides during both cycles and recovered very well. I will have arimidex on hand ,but hopefully i dont need it. Being new to dbol, i will be ready to take it

You sound like you've done youe homework and have your ducks in order. I'd up the deca dose to 400mg but other than that I like it. Imo no need for the 14 week cycle either bro. Stay where you're at.

**The Hyena** · 12-26-2010, 11:25 PM

Can i ask a stupid question..... ???

Why 400mg's of Deca a week ??
why is that the norm ? what if you did 200mg's a week ?? would it be pointless and why ?
So what he is saying is:
500mg test enan
200mg's Deca
dbol kickstart

why change it to 400 ????
Thanks guys

**layeazy** · 12-26-2010, 11:30 PM

400mg of deca is a good amount for some decent mass gains and strength gains also its low sides for the gains and MBMETC is right in upping the dose he will definately get greater gains that way.

**The Hyena** · 12-27-2010, 12:01 AM

perfect because i just planned out my next cycle and it looks almost EXACTLY the same

**Bonaparte** · 12-27-2010, 12:05 AM

Originally Posted by The Hyena

Can i ask a stupid question..... ???

Why 400mg's of Deca a week ??
why is that the norm ? what if you did 200mg's a week ?? would it be pointless and why ?
So what he is saying is:
500mg test enan
200mg's Deca
dbol kickstart

why change it to 400 ????
Thanks guys

That just seems to be the sweet-spot for most (especially for a first run). Many compounds have a certain approximate dose where the benefits:side effects ratio is most favorable. 200mg isn't going to contribute enough anabolism to warrant the inclusion of such a suppressive compound, IMO.

**The Hyena** · 12-27-2010, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

That just seems to be the sweet-spot for most (especially for a first run). Many compounds have a certain approximate dose where the benefits:side effects ratio is most favorable. 200mg isn't going to contribute enough anabolism to warrant the inclusion of such a suppressive compound, IMO.

Now that is a great answer !! thanks man

**cro** · 12-27-2010, 11:52 AM

bonaparte to the rescue......

Originally Posted by The Hyena

Now that is a great answer !! thanks man

**mg0922** · 12-27-2010, 06:05 PM

THX FOR THE ADVICE EVERYONE.

First off i will def not be running more deca in MG than test in MG. NO WAY!!

So if i run test e for 12wks at 500mg and deca at 400mg for ten weeks. Is the 400mg of deca going to create any problems for me? libido? deca dick? Ive had good results with the deca at 250mg believe it or not, and the test always seemed to overide the deca with no problems at all. I think bumping it up to 400mg could be benficial to me as long as it wont mess me up.

**MBMETC** · 12-27-2010, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by mg0922

THX FOR THE ADVICE EVERYONE.

First off i will def not be running more deca in MG than test in MG. NO WAY!!

So if i run test e for 12wks at 500mg and deca at 400mg for ten weeks. Is the 400mg of deca going to create any problems for me? libido? deca dick? Ive had good results with the deca at 250mg believe it or not, and the test always seemed to overide the deca with no problems at all. I think bumping it up to 400mg could be benficial to me as long as it wont mess me up.

I doubt you would have deca dick if you ran only 250mgs of test and 400mgs deca, so I say you will have no problems
Good luck the cycle

Btw I ran 500/500 and was as horny as ever and my junk worked just fine