Coming off after 1 week?

**bruary17** · 02-05-2011, 12:35 PM

Monkey bars creep me out. By the slide.

**MBMETC** · 02-05-2011, 12:36 PM

Originally Posted by lex57

is that really all you have bro. i know steroids trust me. so are you telling me that i can take test e and sust or npp and deca at the same time intervals same dosages and expect the same results from them equally???????? no they are all different because of the ester bro. come on you understand that dont you? is that really all you got

when did i ever say that. you said you took npp not deca i was saying the sides are associated to the steroid (nandralone) and not the ester attached. when was gyno ever caused by an ester.

**MBMETC** · 02-05-2011, 12:40 PM

Originally Posted by lex57

so in your statement here, you just ran the ester deca? no nandrolone with it? just wondering......you see how how ridiculous your statement was now. you cant have it both ways bro. it was a reach and you burned yourself. that was too easy.

nice try but you cant flip it 99% of people call nandralone decaonate deca c'mon now your reaching

**lex57** · 02-05-2011, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

when did i ever say that. you said you took npp not deca i was saying the sides are associated to the steroid (nandralone) and not the ester attached. when was gyno ever caused by an ester.

bro you are really showing a lack of knowledge now. most sides are directly related to the ester attached to the steroid , why do you think you get less bloat from say test p versus test cyp? or more directly npp versus deca ? it because of the ester, i dont think anyone will back you here if so i am eager to hear this.

**lex57** · 02-05-2011, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

isn't nandralone nandralone no matter the ester attatched to it. i was unaware deca was a steroid i thought it was an abbreviation for deconate an ester attached to the steroid. thanks for more of your old school knowladge

then what the hell are you trying to say here then?

**lex57** · 02-05-2011, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

nice try but you cant flip it 99% of people call nandralone decaonate deca c'mon now your reaching

??????????? can you please explain these two quotes, you are directly contradicting each one.

**MBMETC** · 02-05-2011, 01:00 PM

i agree the ester helps to limit sides but it doesn't mean you wont get sides effects. so based on your statement i cant get gyno from test prop are you serious! because this arguement started over gyno not water or acne

**lex57** · 02-05-2011, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

when did i ever say that. you said you took npp not deca i was saying the sides are associated to the steroid (nandralone) and not the ester attached. when was gyno ever caused by an ester.

then you say,"i agree the ester helps to limit sides but it doesn't mean you wont get sides effects."

**MBMETC** · 02-05-2011, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by lex57

then you say,"i agree the ester helps to limit sides but it doesn't mean you wont get sides effects."

you keep partialy quoting me ,do you work for the media because like them you take things out of context

**lex57** · 02-05-2011, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

i agree the ester helps to limit sides but it doesn't mean you wont get sides effects. so based on your statement i cant get gyno from test prop are you serious! because this arguement started over gyno not water or acne

and please tell me where i say you cant get gyno from test p......youre delusional bro. i was explaining that less sides typically occur with steroids with shorter esters versus those with longer esters.

**lex57** · 02-05-2011, 01:11 PM

Originally Posted by MBMETC

you keep partialy quoting me ,do you work for the media because like them you take things out of context

really bro thats all you got. what quote would you like me to include all of?here

first quote:
"when did i ever say that. you said you took npp not deca i was saying the sides are associated to the steroid (nandralone) and not the ester attached. when was gyno ever caused by an ester.'

seond quote,"i agree the ester helps to limit sides but it doesn't mean you wont get sides effects. so based on your statement i cant get gyno from test prop are you serious! because this arguement started over gyno not water or acne "

dont worry bro its a vast right wing conspiracy.

**MBMETC** · 02-05-2011, 01:17 PM

i agree the ester helps to limit sides but it doesn't mean you wont get sides effects. so based on your statement i cant get gyno from test prop are you serious! because this arguement started over gyno not water or acne
Last edited by MBMETC; Today at 02:02 PM.

no here is my qoute

**MBMETC** · 02-05-2011, 01:19 PM

i need to go to the gym lets just leave it at we agree to disagree...peace

**Bonaparte** · 02-05-2011, 03:19 PM

Holy shit, what happened here while I was sleeping?????

Ok, let me clear some stuff up:
Lex, it has been shown in studies that a single 200mg shot of nandrolone will shut down the HPTA for an average of 12 weeks, if I recall.
And that old Pgr and Nolva upregulation theory is bunk and little more than bro-science. The theory was developed some years back by some guy from studies on endometrial tissue, not breast tissue. And even if men had euteruses (euteri?), it wouldn't be a big deal. Progesterone depends on high estrogen levels to work. Blocking estrogen in breast tissue completely outweighs any possible upregulation of the Pgr receptor.
Do you actually know anyone who has had issues taking Nolva and Nandrolone? Because I have never heard of a single person with this issue in real life, or in any study or medical case. However, I know/know of plenty of guys who have used Nolva to treat gyno while running Deca and it cured their symptoms.
And what's more: the Nolva Pgr theory only applied to individuals who were already experiencing progestigenic gyno symptoms.

So OP: if you want to play it safe just take a SERM for 1 month, starting 3 weeks after your shot of Deca.

**yungone501** · 02-05-2011, 04:05 PM

My god, you guys are still arguing about this...

This was soooo 7 hours ago!

**Hazard** · 02-05-2011, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

Holy shit, what happened here while I was sleeping?????

Ok, let me clear some stuff up:
Lex, it has been shown in studies that a single 200mg shot of nandrolone will shut down the HPTA for an average of 12 weeks, if I recall.
And that old Pgr and Nolva upregulation theory is bunk and little more than bro-science. The theory was developed some years back by some guy from studies on endometrial tissue, not breast tissue. And even if men had euteruses (euteri?), it wouldn't be a big deal. Progesterone depends on high estrogen levels to work. Blocking estrogen in breast tissue completely outweighs any possible upregulation of the Pgr receptor.
Do you actually know anyone who has had issues taking Nolva and Nandrolone? Because I have never heard of a single person with this issue in real life, or in any study or medical case. However, I know/know of plenty of guys who have used Nolva to treat gyno while running Deca and it cured their symptoms.
And what's more: the Nolva Pgr theory only applied to individuals who were already experiencing progestigenic gyno symptoms.

So OP: if you want to play it safe just take a SERM for 1 month, starting 3 weeks after your shot of Deca.

I'm with Bonaparte on this issue..... I've run nolva and tren together a few times and never had an issue. I've also seen that study but can't remember where I saw it now. Maybe swifto posted it?

~Haz~

**Bonaparte** · 02-05-2011, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by Hazard

I'm with Bonaparte on this issue..... I've run nolva and tren together a few times and never had an issue. I've also seen that study but can't remember where I saw it now. Maybe swifto posted it?

~Haz~

Yeah, Swifto did largely debunk that theory by himself.

**cro** · 02-06-2011, 08:46 AM

ok bro .thers no doubt to me that you seem knowledgable and we like to take in knowledge and learn ,lets all be buds ..lolololol

Originally Posted by lex57

is that really all you have bro. i know steroids trust me. so are you telling me that i can take test e and sust or npp and deca at the same time intervals same dosages and expect the same results from them equally???????? no they are all different because of the ester bro. come on you understand that dont you? is that really all you got

**cro** · 02-06-2011, 08:50 AM

bru ,whats up bro been a bit ,hows the shoulder re hab?

Originally Posted by bruary17

lex57, your just straight up annoying. I've read some of your responses to peoples posts and you seem to be quite the cocky douche bag. No one here knows you so were not going to take advice from bruce wayne. You got to earn your keep. Bonaparte is on point and knows his shit. Don't come here poppin' off at the mouth talking trash when your a nobody. You pissing people off

***D7M*** · 02-06-2011, 09:19 AM

Some of Swifto's thoughts on the subject of nolva with 19nors:

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...33-tren-nolva&

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-idea-but-why&

^It's a moot point anyway, since they OP will be taking Nolva during PCT, after the ester has cleared, but that at least clears it up.

**MBMETC** · 02-06-2011, 09:53 AM

Thank you d7m swifts points were the exact same point I made in my post #13 on this subject swift is just better at wording it. And I also agree with your statement and it dawned on me this morning if the ester has cleared what's the problem.
Thank you for your post.