1st cycle thread, Test E + Dbol: Please critique/advise

**Lets_Go** · 05-20-2011, 08:26 PM

Stats
Age: 24 (25 first week of July)
Height: 5’10
Weight: ~185
BF%: 11-12 (estimated using plastic calliper and others users’ pictures)
Cycle Exp: First time user
PCT Knowledge: First time user
Training Exp: Age ~21.5 - current, solid routine 4 or 5 times per-week. Age ~20 - ~21.5, 1 or 2 times per-week basic routine
Diet: For this cycle I will eat 400-500 calories above maintenance. As it stands, Protein = 40%; Carbs = 45%; Fat = 15%. I eat five clean meals per-day and consume two protein shakes (1.5 scoops post-workout, 1 scoop Casein before bed). I also take Orange Triad, Fish Oil, Flax Oil, and have begun taking Milk Thistle.

Purpose
The purpose of the cycle is to gain as much mass as possible. I have no issues eating on a deficit/cutting when the cycle is over, so I am not interested in attempting to “bulk while staying cut”.

Cycle
Week 1 - 10 Test E at 500 mg/week (250 mg every 3.5 days)
Week 1 - 4 Dbol at 25 mg/day (Hopefully taken in three of four portions depending on how I can cut it)
Week 1 – 10 Arimidex at 25 mg/day OR Aromison at 12.5 mg/day. Recommendations? Does it matter which? I am sorry, but I could not find a definitive answer to this.

PCT
I will start PCT 14 days after the final Test E injection.
Nolvadex at 40/40/20/20
Clomid at 50/50/50/50

Injections
I will follow all of the instructions in the thread titled “How to Inject” and the recommended injection web site, specifically for glutes and thighs.

I have spent nearly five weeks reading the forum and I think I have a pretty good handle on things, but to be sure I’ve made this thread. When it comes down to it, I would rather be safe than sorry. I know many people recommend Dbol not be taken during a first cycle, but I would like to get a boost at the beginning, which is why I went against that advice. Anyways, I would really appreciate any feedback I can get whether it’s in the form of advice, criticism, or even just a “looks good to go”.
Thank you.

**Bigd89** · 05-20-2011, 08:49 PM

Looks good to me. Post some pics

**buffgator** · 05-20-2011, 08:52 PM

I think you look good to go. The only thing I would recommend is not taking an ai during the cycle unless you have to youll get better gains that way. If you do start to get gyno I would try nolva first than an ai second

**buffgator** · 05-20-2011, 08:53 PM

big thats the second time you have beet me to a post in like 3 minutes

**Bigd89** · 05-20-2011, 08:54 PM

Lmao my phone is pretty fast

**Braveone** · 05-20-2011, 08:57 PM

I'm starting the same cycle in a week. I'm in for the ride. Same set up for cycle and pct. Except for the ai. I have it but am prone to dry joints so I don't want to kill all the estro. Good luck. Smash some weights!

**gymfu** · 05-20-2011, 08:58 PM

Looks good, the only two things I would change: If your not worried about gaining a little fat I would up the cals to 1000 above maintenance, add a meal or two to get those cals, I think 6 is the absolute minimun, and bump your clomid to 100mg for the first two weeks.

**cssaddict17** · 05-20-2011, 09:05 PM

Hey can someone translate this for me "Nolvadex at 40/40/20/20 Clomid at 50/50/50/50"? I don't know what that means 40/40/20/20.

**Bigd89** · 05-20-2011, 09:08 PM

There just short for weeks.

**gymfu** · 05-20-2011, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by cssaddict17

Hey can someone translate this for me "Nolvadex at 40/40/20/20 Clomid at 50/50/50/50"? I don't know what that means 40/40/20/20.

Those are the doeses in mg per day for each week.

**cssaddict17** · 05-20-2011, 09:34 PM

Okay so week 1= 40mg ed
week 2 = 40mg ed
week 3 = 20mg ed
week4 = 20mg ed

And you would start on the day you have your last injection right?

**Bigd89** · 05-20-2011, 09:39 PM

Your hijacking the OP's thread, bro.

**cssaddict17** · 05-20-2011, 09:56 PM

sorry man and sorry "lets go"

**sdmlsu1** · 05-20-2011, 10:35 PM

I would run Test only first cycle to see how your body reacts and keep the AI on hand but you shouldn't need it with that cycle. You shouldn't use an AI to control bloat there is nothing wrong with some bloat and if your diet is solid you won't bloat that much plus there isn't anything wrong with some amount of bloat. I know many competitors that cut with Test E/C because their diet is in check. If your worried about gyno run 10mgs/day of Nolva throughout your cycle but you really shouldn't need anything unless your predisposed to gyno.

**werms** · 05-20-2011, 11:17 PM

Id go 30mg ED for Dbol and 10mg EOD of Stane

**Lets_Go** · 05-23-2011, 03:17 PM

Originally Posted by Bigd89

Looks good to me. Post some pics

Thanks man. Will do.

Originally Posted by buffgator

I think you look good to go. The only thing I would recommend is not taking an ai during the cycle unless you have to youll get better gains that way. If you do start to get gyno I would try nolva first than an ai second

Thanks for the advice. I will have it on hand but not take it unless needed.

Originally Posted by Braveone

I'm starting the same cycle in a week. I'm in for the ride. Same set up for cycle and pct. Except for the ai. I have it but am prone to dry joints so I don't want to kill all the estro. Good luck. Smash some weights!

Good luck bro! I'm excited. Lift huge!

Originally Posted by gymfu

Looks good, the only two things I would change: If your not worried about gaining a little fat I would up the cals to 1000 above maintenance, add a meal or two to get those cals, I think 6 is the absolute minimun, and bump your clomid to 100mg for the first two weeks.

Thanks man. I kind of figured that much but wasn't sure. I will bump up the cals accordingly.

Originally Posted by sdmlsu1

I would run Test only first cycle to see how your body reacts and keep the AI on hand but you shouldn't need it with that cycle. You shouldn't use an AI to control bloat there is nothing wrong with some bloat and if your diet is solid you won't bloat that much plus there isn't anything wrong with some amount of bloat. I know many competitors that cut with Test E/C because their diet is in check. If your worried about gyno run 10mgs/day of Nolva throughout your cycle but you really shouldn't need anything unless your predisposed to gyno.

Thanks for the post. I'm gonna stick with the Dbol and see how it goes, but I'll definitely cut the AI.

**TOkidd** · 05-23-2011, 03:58 PM

I'm thinking of running the exact same cycle in a few months (I'm trying to decide whether to run Anadrol or D-bol) so I'm eager to see how you do, even though my body type, age, and everything else is way different. Nonetheless, please keep us posted.
Also, for those who know, do you recommend keeping both Nolvadex and an AI like Arimidex handy in case of gyno? What if gyno was the only side you were really worried about? Would that change this recommendation?

peace

TOkidd