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    Great News today...BUT PLEASE ADVISE

    Got a call from my endo today


    said he researched the affects of Tren over the week and believes that my issue is related to the weaker action dihydronandrolone in the penis since DHT is a sexual modulator

    wants me to come back in and get my DHT levels checked...one of the only things weve never tested

    just out of curioisoty

    if Tren did negatively affect DHT...is there a fix for that or is he gonna tell me to just wait it out...

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    Dht

    Quote Originally Posted by DRAMBRO;56****9
    Got a call from my endo today


    said he researched the affects of Tren over the week and believes that my issue is related to the weaker action dihydronandrolone in the penis since DHT is a sexual modulator

    wants me to come back in and get my DHT levels checked...one of the only things weve never tested

    just out of curioisoty

    if Tren did negatively affect DHT...is there a fix for that or is he gonna tell me to just wait it out...

    ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT DHT??

    even though my test is back in normal range

    can DHT still be messed up

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    Yes the body works in mysterious ways! When you play with hormones it can really mess with your body and it can take some time for your body to go back to the way it was pre cycle...Somtimes it never does!

    If DHT is to high they might put you on a dht inhibitor or perhaps monitor you with more blood test over the next few months to see if your body turns things around on it own.

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    Whats the issue? is it sexual problems you are having or what? why are they worried about DHT?

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    Quote Originally Posted by awms View Post
    Whats the issue? is it sexual problems you are having or what? why are they worried about DHT?
    im having both a HUGE loss in libido and "ED"


    my dick has been flacid for 6 months now..

    i occasionally gett a morning woood but for the most part,,,,tren gave me ED
    and i still havent recovetred

    cialis doesnt eeevn help

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    Tren needs to be ran with some form of DHT, at least that's what I have always read. I ran the PH version of Tren during a couple of cycles along with AndroHard and I never noticed any decrease in libido really (negligible if anything). DHT suppression can cause issues exactly like what you are experiencing, DHT is basically what gives us our manhood. Try running some Proviron , Masteron , or the new version of AndroHard and see how that helps. Are you using anything like Propecia? That can cause a detrimental effect on DHT and subsequently libido/ED.
    Last edited by TestAce; 05-27-2011 at 03:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TestAce View Post
    Tren needs to be ran with some form of DHT, at least that's what I have always read. I ran the PH version of Tren during a couple of cycles along with AndroHard and I never noticed any decrease in libido really (negligible if anything). Try running some Proviron, Masteron, or the new version of AndroHard and see how that helps. Are you using anything like Propecia? That can cause a detrimental effect on DHT and subsequently libido/ED.
    ugh he doesnt need to try running something else now

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    ugh he doesnt need to try running something else now
    I'm basing this off personal experience. I went through something like what he is experiencing and DHT derivatives helped me. He needs to get his DHT levels checked first.

    DRAM: what were you running when you were using Tren ?

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    LIsten dude.. I know you're freaked out.. I can tell with all your posts and I dont even browse that often any more..

    But I will tell you this.. Give it some time.. Sure 6 months seems like it forever.. but I bet you're worried about it ALL THE TIME!! Stressing yourself out to no end..

    Go through the motions of the testing.. But relax a little.. Are you working out?? Seriously.. are you?

    Cardio?

    Relax and before you know it...girls will be spinning like a top.. on you agian..



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    Quote Originally Posted by mustang331 View Post
    LIsten dude.. I know you're freaked out.. I can tell with all your posts and I dont even browse that often any more..

    But I will tell you this.. Give it some time.. Sure 6 months seems like it forever.. but I bet you're worried about it ALL THE TIME!! Stressing yourself out to no end..

    Go through the motions of the testing.. But relax a little.. Are you working out?? Seriously.. are you?

    Cardio?

    Relax and before you know it...girls will be spinning like a top.. on you agian..


    workin out 6 days a week

    3 days lifting..
    3 days cardio


    feeel great other that my nuts are always sore..lol

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    tren

    Quote Originally Posted by DRAMBRO View Post
    workin out 6 days a week

    3 days lifting..
    3 days cardio


    feeel great other that my nuts are always sore..lol

    I belive the tren caused some type of DHT/receptor issue which is causing my libido to be down and have weak erections..anyone have any experience with this issue

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    hey

    Quote Originally Posted by DRAMBRO View Post
    I belive the tren caused some type of DHT/receptor issue which is causing my libido to be down and have weak erections..anyone have any experience with this issue
    someone please help!

    6 months after PCT

    libido still down

    erections not as hard

    but blooodwork comes up nornmal...whats happening...def not mental as i can get hard..its just not as hard as it was precycle

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    Dihydronandrolone is not from tren . That is from Nandrolone aka durabolin . Tren isnt affected by aromatase nor 5 alpha reductase.

    and DHNandro has a lower affinity for the receptor than DHT does thats why you can run 1/3 test 2/3 deca and be fine.

    did u ever get DHT levels checked?

    Tren downregulates transcription/lation, thats why its so harsh and used for beef.


    andractrim is a DHT cream, it would be a temp solution for boners..


    Tissue selectivity and potential clinical applications of trenbolone (17β-hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one): A potent anabolic steroid with reduced androgenic and estrogenic activity

    ... Compared to testosterone , 17β-TBOH appears to induce less growth in androgen-sensitive organs which highly express the 5α reductase enzyme (e.g., prostate tissue and accessory sex organs). The reduced androgenic effects result from the fact that 17β-TBOH is metabolized to less potent androgens in vivo; while testosterone undergoes tissue-specific biotransformation to more potent steroids , dihydrotestosterone and 17β-estradiol, via the 5α-reductase and aromatase enzymes, respectively...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonada8 View Post
    Dihydronandrolone is not from tren . That is from Nandrolone aka durabolin . Tren isnt affected by aromatase nor 5 alpha reductase.

    and DHNandro has a lower affinity for the receptor than DHT does thats why you can run 1/3 test 2/3 deca and be fine.

    did u ever get DHT levels checked?

    Tren downregulates transcription/lation, thats why its so harsh and used for beef.


    andractrim is a DHT cream, it would be a temp solution for boners..


    Tissue selectivity and potential clinical applications of trenbolone (17β-hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one): A potent anabolic steroid with reduced androgenic and estrogenic activity

    ... Compared to testosterone, 17β-TBOH appears to induce less growth in androgen-sensitive organs which highly express the 5α reductase enzyme (e.g., prostate tissue and accessory sex organs). The reduced androgenic effects result from the fact that 17β-TBOH is metabolized to less potent androgens in vivo; while testosterone undergoes tissue-specific biotransformation to more potent steroids, dihydrotestosterone and 17β-estradiol, via the 5α-reductase and aromatase enzymes, respectively...
    I appreciate ur feedback but for someone who isnt as clinical as u,,,
    please tell me in simple man terms what i should have the endo test this time around and what do u think is the isssue


    the last thing i wana do is another cycle...but any chance 8 weeks of test cyp or test ethanate followed by hcg n clomid/nolva would correct this issue...

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    You arent making enough DHT. Ur doc is on the right, I was just correcting the DHnandro.

    Andractim is a DHT cream, similar to androgel is a test cream.

    Ive been looking at steroid induced 5alpha reductase suppresion, but cant really find much/.. i have no idea keep me updated though

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