Trenbolone & Test First Cycle

**dec11** · 08-03-2011, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

Guess i dont believe in a ballpark weight,, what someone can put on naturally at a certain height may be 25lbs different than the next guy. Im sure this guy can put on some weight with a great diet but why spend 10 times the money and time to get there with diet when he can do it with a simple test cycle. Because as soon as he stops that diet hes gonna lose the weight just as he will when he comes off cycle. I only apply this scenario to older guys whos metabolism is more stable. If hes young than i agree to try adding just with food. I agree diet is very important but AAS always trumps that in my book. JMO

thats what we need to get through to these guys, he has to maintain the diet for aslong as he wants to live this lifestyle, its a commitment not just a quick increase in muscle and forget it

**gixxerboy1** · 08-03-2011, 12:59 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

Guess i dont believe in a ballpark weight,, what someone can put on naturally at a certain height may be 25lbs different than the next guy. Im sure this guy can put on some weight with a great diet but why spend 10 times the money and time to get there with diet when he can do it with a simple test cycle. Because as soon as he stops that diet hes gonna lose the weight just as he will when he comes off cycle. I only apply this scenario to older guys whos metabolism is more stable. If hes young than i agree to try adding just with food. I agree diet is very important but AAS always trumps that in my book. JMO

why would he stop the diet? You have to stop the cycle. So if he starts eating right he will gain and keep it. And he isnt effecting his hormones and no side effects to doing it properly.

**chuckt12345** · 08-03-2011, 01:34 PM

Im sure if everyone that comes on here would keep a strict diet they could get alot further than they were before but the majority of users arent looking to eat a perfect 4000 calorie meal for the next 5 years to put on 10 15 20lbs etc. Were here because we want to cheat our bodies into becoming bigger with the use of AAS. I think its great that most of the vets push diet before the use of AAS to get further (especially on younger kids) but to tell someone its ok to use AAS because your 5'10 and 200lb and then tell someone else who is 5'10 175lbs they cant doesnt always make since to me. Anyways i dont mean to jack the thread and i respect you guys advice, i just like to speak my opinions sometimes.

**dec11** · 08-03-2011, 01:43 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

Im sure if everyone that comes on here would keep a strict diet they could get alot further than they were before but the majority of users arent looking to eat a perfect 4000 calorie meal for the next 5 years to put on 10 15 20lbs etc. Were here because we want to cheat our bodies into becoming bigger with the use of AAS. I think its great that most of the vets push diet before the use of AAS to get further (especially on younger kids) but to tell someone its ok to use AAS because your 5'10 and 200lb and then tell someone else who is 5'10 175lbs they cant doesnt always make since to me. Anyways i dont mean to jack the thread and i respect you guys advice, i just like to speak my opinions sometimes.

thts fair enough, but every case should be judged on its merit, someone who is arrogant and wont listen to good advice is just doomed to failure and would be best persuaded to re-think, and tbh honest the OP sounds like a disaster waiting to happen

**brad1986** · 08-03-2011, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by chuckt12345

Guess i dont believe in a ballpark weight,, what someone can put on naturally at a certain height may be 25lbs different than the next guy. Im sure this guy can put on some weight with a great diet but why spend 10 times the money and time to get there with diet when he can do it with a simple test cycle. Because as soon as he stops that diet hes gonna lose the weight just as he will when he comes off cycle. I only apply this scenario to older guys whos metabolism is more stable. If hes young than i agree to try adding just with food. I agree diet is very important but AAS always trumps that in my book. JMO

That is whats wrong with the attitude of alot of guys on here.Truth is if his diet is lacking none of his (roid) weight will even stay on him. Steroids are no magic drug. Training and diet is still 80% of it all. If Diet and excersise isnt somthing your willing to invest the time and money into then steroids def are not for you