Starting Testosterone Questions. Help is Greatly Appreciated.

[Jake198599]

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[Times Roman]

Welcome to the board mate!
your profile says you are 22. I'd give it another couple of years, until your mid 20's, before considering a cycle. Your hormonal system is on the tail edge of finishing up development. Taking steroids now can truncate development and causing you problems later on. It's not worth it!

Goals you have are very specific. Doable for sure. But usually goals are more broadly construed, especially for the early years of training. A typical goal may be
Go from 18% to 12% body fat
increase weight from 180 to 210 lbs.

Why? Because these are foundation goals. Focus on getting your foundation in order first, then worry about fine tuning your asthetics.

Now, tell me about your stats:

Weight?
Height?
BF%
Years lifting experience?
Knowledge about nutrition?

Additionally, a routine consisting of three days a week is light, more of a maintenance routine. Most here will advise to go 4 or 5 days a week.

Adderall? Just take as your doc prescribed and don't worry about it. you shouldn't be cycleing now, anyways.

Questions about any of that?
---Roman

[gearbox]

listen to times roman...and do some research..many of your questions are answered all over this forum and in the intro reads with steroid profiles

[10nispro]

Stats would be nice but I saw on your profile you are 22. Continue to build natural and you will hit those goals. Why take the chance of causing irreversible damage to your developing endocrine system.

You should stick around read and learn and when you 25 you will be more than ready if you decide to do a cycle.

Also, you may want to edit your post, you are fishing for a source and its not allowed. And it will keep scammers off your back as well

[Jake198599]

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[Jake198599]

listen to times roman...and do some research..many of your questions are answered all over this forum and in the intro reads with steroid profiles

I read it all, I just wanted someone to review my overall information real quick with a few answers to my questions.

[Jake198599]

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[10nispro]

its not gear you need its getting a better diet.

and you want get an answer to that last question

[10nispro]

you can't just guess that your test levels are low. You need blood work done.

Plus you say you only want to do 1 cycle to obtain your goals, but you say you are pretty sure you should be on hrt. Can't have it both ways if so.

[Jake198599]

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[Jake198599]

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[10nispro]

go to educational threads and read young and steroids posted by Marcus 300

steroids are not magic and should and need to be taken serious. Read that post

[gearbox]

you are asking basic questions that show you need to read or re-read some of the intro stuff...and your desire to get 15.5 arms will come with just diet and lifting.

[gixxerboy1]

you may be done growing hieght wise but your endocryne system isnt fully developed.
Your diet is your issue. Running a cycle isnt gonig to make much of a difference with your diet. And you will not keep it.
You dont really have any foundation yet. Congrats on the results you have gotten but you need to work on your diet and training not drugs.

[Jake198599]

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[gixxerboy1]

What makes people think that I need to work on my diet when I didn't even give enough information about it to critique? What makes you think that my diet isnt perfected?

I've made great gains from my bulk, I just don't want to gain any more body fat so I am cutting.

Instead of doing a natural bulk after my cut, I was hoping to run a cycle to reach my goal faster without so much of the fat gain. Small cut from that, if needed, then maintain.

because your 6'2 and 170lbs after bulking

[Jake198599]

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[gixxerboy1]

6-8 month bulk from 132 pounds.

and thats good. but still at 6'2 and 170 there is no reason for steroids yet

[Jake198599]

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[gixxerboy1]

That can be a good point.

You feel that steroids only use is for pushing people beyond their genetic potential and don't believe in using it to reach "natural goals" quicker?

to a point yes. and no offense at your height and weight you are no were close your limit, if you only know how to eat to maintain the 170lbs you are now. then you will just return to 170lbs after. You need to eat for your goals.

i know with a proper diet and work out you can make your goal no problem and keep the results
i know if you keep doing what you are doing and cycle. You might get your goals and you will def loose it all after

[Jake198599]

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[Jake198599]

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[gixxerboy1]

It's not that I only know how to maintain 170lbs, it's that I am not willing to gain any more body fat because I still prefer looking good all year round instead of getting fat as hell then cutting to my goal physique. If I wasn't gaining neck fat then I would be continuing my bulk but instead my plan is to cut then bulk back up either naturally or with a cycle.

On my next bulk, I want it to be my last bulk yet not get too fat and reach my goal, which is why I started looking into steroids.

at your height and weight you can still gain weight without adding fat if your diet is correct. Trust me. Diet is alot to learn and the most important thing.

like i said no offense but if you 170 with fat at your height then you arent carrying much muscle. your diet and workout need help

[Jake198599]

at your height and weight you can still gain weight without adding fat if your diet is correct. Trust me. Diet is alot to learn and the most important thing.

like i said no offense but if you 170 with fat at your height then you arent carrying much muscle. your diet and workout need help

Muscle without adding fat = cycle or incredibly slow pace.

It's not much fat(still visible upper 4 abs when flexing) but it's too much to my liking.

You keep saying I need help with diet and workout when I've gained 40 pounds with still visible abs in 6-8 months. Just because I don't want to continue fat gain doesn't mean there is something wrong with my diet and workout.

Fact: to gain a reasonably amount of muscle in a decent amount of time you WILL gain fat with it just by being in excess calories to maximize your gains.

I want quick results, that is all. There is nothing wrong with my diet and workout. My ONLY apparent issue is that I'm under 25.

[gixxerboy1]

well i cant help you then. you started bulking at almost the same weight as my wife in my avi is. and she is 5'7. So gaining 40lbs shouldtn have been hard. Hell i dont know how you could have been 130 and not sickly looking

gaining lean weight at your size is easliy possible with the right diet. Just for point that you think its a Fact you have to put on fat to gain weight show you have no idea.

You gotten advice from a few guys that know alot more then you do. but your right your only answer is steroids

[Jake198599]

well i cant help you then. you started bulking at almost the same weight as my wife in my avi is. and she is 5'7. So gaining 40lbs shouldtn have been hard. Hell i dont know how you could have been 130 and not sickly looking

gaining lean weight at your size is easliy possible with the right diet. Just for point that you think its a Fact you have to put on fat to gain weight show you have no idea.

You gotten advice from a few guys that know alot more then you do. but your right your only answer is steroids

You must be misinterpreting my posts:

I am NOT saying it is NOT possible for me to gain more lean mass. I know it is, it just requires me to bulk then cut, bulk then cut, bulk then cut, etc. because I want to look good(bodyfat not being too high) all year round.

TIME and FAT GAIN are my ONLY issues. I know I will gain more lean mass if I continue to bulk, I am just not willing to do so at the expense of gaining more fat.

Steroids would allow me to reach my goals FASTER with minimal fat gain. I am not saying that steroids make it possible, just faster. So no, steroids is NOT my only answer, I never said nor implied it was in any of my posts.

Steroid cycle would most likely ensure that my next "bulk then cut" would be my last one to my personal goal physique, which I 100% know is no where near my "genetic limit". That is my draw to cycling.

[gixxerboy1]

and i'm saying you dont need to bulk and cut and bulk and cut.
with the correct diet you can put on lean mass pretty quick on your frame.
Your problem is you think your diet and training are good.
post your diet for a typical day

[Jake198599]

and i'm saying you dont need to bulk and cut and bulk and cut.
with the correct diet you can put on lean mass pretty quick on your frame.
Your problem is you think your diet and training are good.
post your diet for a typical day

www . bodyrecomposition . com/muscle-gain/general-philosophies-of-muscle-mass-gain.html

Do you know of this?

You can't just said general statements of "you dont need bulk and cut because of your frame", you don't know what my goal physique is, and you don't know my goal time-frame is to obtain my goal physique is.

Sure I can obtain my goal physique without bulk then cut, but it will be very slow, too slow in my opinion, when I want to be at my goal physique by 2012 Summer.

The slower your bulk, the less fat and muscle gain. I understand that



This picture is me at 132-140 pounds at around 12 inch arms. I want to look like that with 15ish inch arms. That is my goal physique, I am at 14 inch arms at the moment with fat covering my lower abs.

[rippedfromabove]

Bro you gotten advice from gixxer and roman the top members here.. At your height, you should be around 230 atleast with some definition.. Head over to the diet section and get help there. If you cycle, you are risking irreversible damage to your hpta or endocrine system. You dont want to be on trt when you are 22 for the rest of your life...

[JAB1]

I would advise laying off the adderall if its not prescribed. Last time I checked poor mans yayo is not a good for bulking!!

[Jake198599]

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[gixxerboy1]

www . bodyrecomposition . com/muscle-gain/general-philosophies-of-muscle-mass-gain.html

Do you know of this?

You can't just said general statements of "you dont need bulk and cut because of your frame", you don't know what my goal physique is, and you don't know my goal time-frame is to obtain my goal physique is.

Sure I can obtain my goal physique without bulk then cut, but it will be very slow, too slow in my opinion, when I want to be at my goal physique by 2012 Summer.

The slower your bulk, the less fat and muscle gain. I understand that



This picture is me at 132-140 pounds at around 12 inch arms. I want to look like that with 15ish inch arms. That is my goal physique, I am at 14 inch arms at the moment with fat covering my lower abs.

you said your goal in the first post 15 inch arms and abs.
dude do what you want. I give up. You came and asked for advice and got it from multiple people all saying the same thing.
But you are correct you obviously need steroids
if you had a clue what you were doing you could be a hell of alot bigger then your goal by summer 2012.
the reason you have fat and 14 inch arms and 170lbs is because you dont know how to eat properly.
CASE CLOSED

[JohnnyVegas]

I started typing, but then realized I wouldn't say anything different than Gixxer. He has given excellent advice, and has put forth the effort after others have given up.

If you really have gained 40 pounds and can still see some of your abs, well then you are kicking *ss. Don't change a thing. Keep going. If you are a skinny guy that thinks AAS is the answer, then take his advice and get your nutrition and lifting sorted out before taking drugs. If you don't, you will be disappointed in your results and you will have risked your health for nothing.

EDIT: a bunch of posts popped up while I was typing, including the photos. Man, you need to listen to everyone. Or stick to your know-it-all plan. Either way, stop posting just to argue with everyone. Seriously, either learn some things, or do your planned cycle.

[Jake198599]

you said your goal in the first post 15 inch arms and abs.
dude do what you want. I give up. You came and asked for advice and got it from multiple people all saying the same thing.
But you are correct you obviously need steroids
if you had a clue what you were doing you could be a hell of alot bigger then your goal by summer 2012.
the reason you have fat and 14 inch arms and 170lbs is because you dont know how to eat properly.
CASE CLOSED

Yes, my goal is 15inch arms and abs. That never changed. Look at my before and after pics. I want to look like the before pic by 2012 Summer with 15inch arms.

Once again, I never said I need steroids. They will just make things happen faster.

No, the reason I have fat and 14inch arms at 170 pounds is because I bulked from 132 pounds 12inch arms in 6-8months.

[Jake198599]

JohnnyVegas,

I'm not trying to argue. I posted simple questions in my main post that instead of them being answered I get hit with "your diet and workout sucks".

If it sucks, then how about I am shown what good "natty" bulk progress is within 6-8months without looking fat in clothes. Was I supposed to gain to 16inch arms in 6-8 months with still visible abs?

Give me something to aspire towards naturally.

[gixxerboy1]

you gained so much with poor diet and workout because you were unhealthy thin before.

if your so confident your diet is good post up what you eat for a day

[Jake198599]

you gained so much with poor diet and workout because you were unhealthy thin before.

if your so confident your diet is good post up what you eat for a day

I calculated my LBM maintanence to be around 2500cals. So I started bulking on 2800cals. Once I stopped gaining weight for 1-2 weeks I bumped up my cals.

So I bulked on 3k-3.5k cals until I stopped gaining weight, leaving me at 170 pounds.

I ate 170g protein everyday. Didn't track fats because I know I was well over my minimum needs anyway.

Food was mainly grass-fed ground beef, cheese, tortilla chips, sour cream, eggs, milk, and whey protein powder.

[gixxerboy1]

170grams of protien isnt much,
how do you know your total calories if your werent tracking carbs and fats
you may be at the correct calories but not coming from the right foods

sour creme and tortilla chips the staple of any good diet

[dec11]

tbh i just read the part about doing one cycle and gaining size in your arms and leaving it then.

you really need to educate yourself in weight training and the skeletal muscle in general. muscle mass comes and goes, you dont just 'make' it and it stays there. think of it as having its own inbuilt thinking system, ie 'am i using this tissue'? 'do i need it'? 'no'?' im going to cannabolise it then'. very rough example, but you get what i mean.

the body wont keep something needless that it has to maintain at the cost of energy. plus theres the fact that many keep little of what they gain off a cycle, or we'd all be 500lbs by now

[Jake198599]

170grams of protien isnt much,
how do you know your total calories if your werent tracking carbs and fats
you may be at the correct calories but not coming from the right foods

sour creme and tortilla chips the staple of any good diet

I tracked calories and protein. Tracked calories using my phone app "myfitnesspal". I would plan my daily meals to hit at least 170 protein then make sure to fill out the rest of my cals with whatever.

Many people use this strategy of getting their minimum protein intake from anything then filling the rest of their calories with anything they want.



Both of these guys eat junk food/candy to fill out the rest of their calories as long as they track minimum protein, minimum fat(You don't even need to track this because it is so easy to hit), and overall calories.