Is TEST 7 PCT from GNC

**joedamian** · 03-12-2012, 11:58 PM

Is this fake or real??

**leather daddy** · 03-13-2012, 12:01 AM

you really shoulda bought from www.steroids.com man

**DanB** · 03-13-2012, 12:14 AM

I can send you some magic beans that will be of more use to you than that

**joedamian** · 03-13-2012, 12:14 AM

Originally Posted by leather daddy

you really shoulda bought from www.steroids.com man

But is TEST 7 PCT from GNC, its good for a PCT...

**JDBeretta** · 03-13-2012, 12:16 AM

I love the DBol description on that site.

**joedamian** · 03-13-2012, 12:17 AM

Originally Posted by DanB

I can send you some magic beans that will be of more use to you than that

This is not A game bro... I want info, not stupid comments. Ok

**DanB** · 03-13-2012, 12:23 AM

it isnt a stupid comment its a fact

if you dont take it as a game then how did you end up on a cycle without doing any research and having otc pct garbage?

if you want info then go read stickys in pct section

**DanB** · 03-13-2012, 12:25 AM

all the info you will ever need

http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...9#.T17oQ3ktmSo

**JDBeretta** · 03-13-2012, 12:26 AM

What do you mean by "is it real"? Did you buy it from GNC? I'm sure it's real if you did. Would I use it in a PCT? Probably not. Just do a proper pct as outlined about 4million times on this site.

The only thing i would get from a supplement store is tribulus. But I'm pretty noobed out myself, so I'm not sure I'd take my advice. I can't say I know what that shhh-it even is... Even after reading the ingredients.

**DanB** · 03-13-2012, 12:29 AM

Originally Posted by JDBeretta

What do you mean by "is it real"? Did you buy it from GNC? I'm sure it's real if you did. Would I use it in a PCT? Probably not. Just do a proper pct as outlined about 4million times on this site.

The only thing i would get from a supplement store is tribulus. But I'm pretty noobed out myself, so I'm not sure I'd take my advice. I can't say I know what that shhh-it even is... Even after reading the ingredients.

its garbage just publicity and marketiting b.s.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15994038

**upperhandy** · 03-13-2012, 12:30 AM

Originally Posted by joedamian

Is this fake or real??

anything from GNC is just a supplement

**JDBeretta** · 03-13-2012, 12:38 AM

Originally Posted by DanB

its garbage just publicity and marketiting b.s.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15994038

Thanks. I wonder if the doses on that study were increased if it would bring levels up enough to see a real difference. 20mg/kg and 10mg/kg is really low. That'd be like 200mg/day for someone that weighed 220lbs. The capsules are usually dosed at 750mg and the label says to take 2 a day.

I'm not promoting this by any means, but I am just curious.

**DanB** · 03-13-2012, 12:45 AM

yeah I get what your saying and you may be correct but my own opinion is that it would of had some effect, even a slight one, but it didnt

here is another study done on its effect on strenght in rugby players and also its effect or lack of an effect on the test/estrogen ratio detectable in urine, which if it did anything at all it would alter this ratio and therefore fail the drug test
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17530942

if it worked it would show some sort of result in the above studys, low dose or not

and another showing no effect

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10861339

**joedamian** · 03-13-2012, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by DanB

yeah I get se what your saying any you may be correct but my own opinion is that it would of had some effect, even a slight one, but it didnt

here is another study done on its effect on strenght in rugby players and also its effect or lack of an effect on the test/estrogen ratio detectable in urine

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17530942

if it worked it would show some sort of result in the above studys, low dose or not

and another showing no effect

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10861339

So what I got at GNC IS FAKE and it won't help me out after my cycle...

**DanB** · 03-13-2012, 12:55 AM

nope its not fake because it was never anything to start with but no it wont do a thing for you mate

you need clomid/nolvadex

its all in the section i linked to you, this same question gets asked ten times a day in there

have a look around and you will find your answer

**JDBeretta** · 03-13-2012, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by joedamian

So what I got at GNC IS FAKE and it won't help me out after my cycle...

No, those posts were in reference to my tribulus comment. But I believe those GNC supplement pct BS supplements are garbage. Well, I wouldn't use them in lieu of a 'real' pct.

**JDBeretta** · 03-13-2012, 01:00 AM

Originally Posted by DanB

yeah I get what your saying and you may be correct but my own opinion is that it would of had some effect, even a slight one, but it didnt

here is another study done on its effect on strenght in rugby players and also its effect or lack of an effect on the test/estrogen ratio detectable in urine, which if it did anything at all it would alter this ratio and therefore fail the drug test
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17530942

if it worked it would show some sort of result in the above studys, low dose or not

and another showing no effect

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10861339

The first link you posted showed a small increase, but VERY small. I'll have a read on the other studies... Good thing I took statistics in college. Lol. The first sample size is too small to represent an actual population mean, anyways.

**DanB** · 03-13-2012, 01:01 AM

ULTRA CONCENTRATED TEST BOOSTING / PCT MATRIX™ (Proprietary) 450.00 mg **
Carthamus tinctorius (seed) ** basically safflower
Curculigo orchioides (rhizome) ** dried root from africa
Zingiber officinale (root) (6-Gingerol) ** basically ginger
Syzygium aromaticum (bud) cloves

in bold is what the b.s. ingredients really are

**DanB** · 03-13-2012, 01:04 AM

Originally Posted by JDBeretta

The first link you posted showed a small increase, but VERY small. I'll have a read on the other studies... Good thing I took statistics in college. Lol. The first sample size is too small to represent an actual population mean, anyways.

Abstract
OBJECTIVE:

The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males.
DESIGN AND METHODS:

Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125 kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10 mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone , androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24 h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576 h from the beginning of the supplementation.
RESULTS:

There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75 nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57 nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09 nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126 ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256 ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236 ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.

In bold they basically call b.s. on it

**JDBeretta** · 03-13-2012, 01:18 AM

I know, in the numbers, the TT2 group showed minuscule increases over the control group.

**JDBeretta** · 03-13-2012, 01:26 AM

Actually, the control group for te test was the highest. Lol.

**lovbyts** · 03-13-2012, 02:35 AM

Did the control group workout? If so dont you think that might explain the muscle increase?

**JDBeretta** · 03-13-2012, 12:44 PM

In order for the study to be valid (other than the fact that the sample size was really small), all groups would have had to be tested under the same conditions.

**< <Samson> >** · 03-13-2012, 07:31 PM

Funny, I was just thinking of this crap since I can get it for free. My neighbors' GF is a manager of one of those. I don't really think it does crap, so I didn't even ask her for any.

I don't think it's a good idea to try to use supplement BS to help anything really. It's just a feel good, for the most part. Yet, I still take like a hand full of free supps. . . Makes me feel better, I think. . LoL

**JDBeretta** · 03-13-2012, 09:33 PM

Supplements, in my opinion, are good to get nutritional value when you can't get it from your diet.

But when you get into juicing, use proper PCT drugs where they're needed.

I only follow the path that was walked by those before me... And I don't think any of them stopped and dug up a root to help getting their nuts back to normal size