IF your not eating enough on cycle will u gain little?

[leather daddy]

Ive heard people talking about steroids and hard work in the gym will build the muscle and even if you dont eat much u will still gain? I roughly count calories but if im out by a few here and there when bulking it doesnt matter. However i wanna up the calories some more so was thinking of adding in a tBONE steak and some sweet potato. I bought a pre purchased meal plan but doesnt list the brands etc. Just says 1cup of rice 4oz tuna etc. So some rice have 34g carbs some have 40 etc. I dont think a few here and there matters. What do u think ? maybe when cutting and losing bodyfat but with bulking not so much.

[binsser]

Diet is key try and be as bang-on as you can when on cycle you need to eat alot to gain thats for sure or you want get full benefit you need to fuel your body!

[DamageDealer]

I roughly count calories but if im out by a few here and there when bulking it doesnt matter.

with that kind of approach you'll get nowhere with gear. as they say: train like a beast, eat like a scientist, sleep like a baby. this is especially true for the period of time when you're on an AAS cycle

[leather daddy]

with that kind of approach you'll get nowhere with gear. as they say: train like a beast, eat like a scientist, sleep like a baby. this is especially true for the period of time when you're on an AAS cycle

ugh ? Im pretty sure a few calories here and there wont matter, as long as you eat clean, eat lots, train hard you will be fine.

[0tolerance]

in the end its up to you, gains come with eating more. if you eat more you will gain more, even without steroids .

[leather daddy]

in the end its up to you, gains come with eating more. if you eat more you will gain more, even without steroids.

hey man

yeh might just add a simple protein shake instead, 122 calories and 24 grams of protein. 0fat and 0 carb : )

[leather daddy]

in the end its up to you, gains come with eating more. if you eat more you will gain more, even without steroids.

do u count calories religiousely or just rougly? U bulking or cutting right now? and whats ur cycle?

[AD]

I hate to count each calorie or each gram of carb or protein. But i would definitely try to be on the high side instead of low. So what, if i put on some fat. I can always cut after the cycle. But i'll definitely eat as much as i can to feed the muscle growth. No point going through the risk of AAS cycle if the gains are limited by inadequate food intake

[leather daddy]

I hate to count each calorie or each gram of carb or protein. But i would definitely try to be on the high side instead of low. So what, if i put on some fat. I can always cut after the cycle. But i'll definitely eat as much as i can to feed the muscle growth. No point going through the risk of AAS cycle if the gains are limited by inadequate food intake

exactly brah. Answer iwanted to hear

[auswest]

exactly brah. Answer iwanted to hear

Please don't take this negatively but u always seem to be looking for answers that you want to hear, maybe if you listened to answers you didn't want to hear, you would make more progress.

Constructive criticism, I'm not out to flame you.

[leather daddy]

Please don't take this negatively but u always seem to be looking for answers that you want to hear, maybe if you listened to answers you didn't want to hear, you would make more progress.

Constructive criticism, I'm not out to flame you.

who isnt tho?

and who says im not making progress? i now understand at 3 week into test e nothing major is going to happen besides libido increase etc. I understand it takes roughly 4-6 weeks to fully kick in and deca takes longer up to 6-7 weeks.

[Stosh_112]

I, guessing u want to Bulk??? Correct? Eat CLEAN! 1.5-2g of protein per body lb. Alot of good complex carbs and hit the gym with a vengance.

Ur Test E should be kickin in within a week then youll see whats up.

[auswest]

who isnt tho?

and who says im not making progress? i now understand at 3 week into test e nothing major is going to happen besides libido increase etc. I understand it takes roughly 4-6 weeks to fully kick in and deca takes longer up to 6-7 weeks.

People willing to learn and do the right thing generally arnt...

Going by all your threads you have started bro, it appears you are doubting your progress.

[leather daddy]

People willing to learn and do the right thing generally arnt...

Going by all your threads you have started bro, it appears you are doubting your progress.

yeh thats fair enough bro i was doubting it then i did a bit of research on my own time and yes everyone was correct test e does indeed take 4-6 to kick in not 3 so i guess i was doubting it. Being my first cycle i guess i was just being impatien bro.

[auswest]

yeh thats fair enough bro i was doubting it then i did a bit of research on my own time and yes everyone was correct test e does indeed take 4-6 to kick in not 3 so i guess i was doubting it. Being my first cycle i guess i was just being impatien bro.

In regards to your recent threads, count your calories, eat what you set out to eat, train how you set out to train and ensure you get plenty of sleep, there would be nothing worse than finishing your cycle and being disappointed with your efforts knowing that you could have gone harder in the gym, or could have eaten better. Put in 100% and at the end of the day you'll have no regrets, because you did the best you could.
Spend less time doubting yourself and asking questions you already know the answer to but would like to hear an easier option from someone to excuse some laziness. All or nothing IMO,

You are still aloud a life though bro, have your cheat days once or twice a month. Don't worry about the gains you may or may not get on those days, you still need to stay mentally strong. We all need a break from the some what boring food we put in our mouths all day.

Regarding your thread earlier, go out once a week on the weekends with mates... Big deal, stay off the alcohol, try make sure you've already got ur cals in for the day, you have a late one and wake up late the next day.... So what, get up and begin your normal daily regime. No big deal man doing that once or twice a month either even more if it's not preventing you from your gym commitments.

I no longer drink but my old favorite for not drinking was either I'm on a 3 month detox or I'm on antibiotics, I used to be a heavy drinker now you'd really have to twist my arm to drink once or twice a year, and I thought I could never live or socialize without it

[leather daddy]

In regards to your recent threads, count your calories, eat what you set out to eat, train how you set out to train and ensure you get plenty of sleep, there would be nothing worse than finishing your cycle and being disappointed with your efforts knowing that you could have gone harder in the gym, or could have eaten better. Put in 100% and at the end of the day you'll have no regrets, because you did the best you could.
Spend less time doubting yourself and asking questions you already know the answer to but would like to hear an easier option from someone to excuse some laziness. All or nothing IMO,

You are still aloud a life though bro, have your cheat days once or twice a month. Don't worry about the gains you may or may not get on those days, you still need to stay mentally strong. We all need a break from the some what boring food we put in our mouths all day.

Regarding your thread earlier, go out once a week on the weekends with mates... Big deal, stay off the alcohol, try make sure you've already got ur cals in for the day, you have a late one and wake up late the next day.... So what, get up and begin your normal daily regime. No big deal man doing that once or twice a month either even more if it's not preventing you from your gym commitments.

I no longer drink but my old favorite for not drinking was either I'm on a 3 month detox or I'm on antibiotics, I used to be a heavy drinker now you'd really have to twist my arm to drink once or twice a year, and I thought I could never live or socialize without it

haha thanks for that bro and funny u should say that because i literally just went to the pantry and started writing down calories/ macros etc for all my diet food, going to add it all up and see what im sitting on/make improvements etc. Best time to do it considering the test hasnt kicked in yet and within the next few days it will! thanks for spending the effort in order to help me mate

[auswest]

No probs have a good cycle, relax and put the effort in, don't forget you can still have a life just learn to work your bbing into it.

[slimshady01]

yeh thats fair enough bro i was doubting it then i did a bit of research on my own time and yes everyone was correct test e does indeed take 4-6 to kick in not 3 so i guess i was doubting it. Being my first cycle i guess i was just being impatien bro.

Bro what you are going through is normal. I think everyone on their first cycle expects to look like a monster and transform overnight. Reality is, gear helps but diet and training are more important. My first cycle i was expecting people to say.. WTF bro you on gear you look HUGE. I remember googling "how long for test e to kick in" I gained a lot of weight come end of the cycle and strength did finally did start to kick in around 5-6 for me. I even had blood work done first cycle because i thought my gear was fake.. yet it wasnt lol test was through the roof.

Just relax bro, eat clean and alot , train hard and before you know it you will see results you want.

[darkcrayz]

who isnt tho?

and who says im not making progress? i now understand at 3 week into test e nothing major is going to happen besides libido increase etc. I understand it takes roughly 4-6 weeks to fully kick in and deca takes longer up to 6-7 weeks.

why miss out on gains, fat loss, progress because you dont want to count calories?

your logic about waiting until the test 'kicks in' to get it right is flawed. though you arent peaked yet your blood levels are elevated and you have the potential to grow.

would you tell a natural athlete its ok to miss meals because they 'can make it up on the back end'? no you wouldnt, every opportunity to train, eat, recover is a chance to make progress. why limit the progress on a limited 12 week plan when you have everything to maximize the progress and really do something dramatic to your physique.

steroids are there to enhance the hardwork and dedication that comes from a concentrated effort of hard work and dedication in and outside the gym; not replace those things. if you want mediocre results then continue with mediocre dedication.

[gixxerboy1]

honestly i would county your calories and macros right now. You are new to this. So what you are assuming you are eating may not be correct. I would do it to you get a handle on things
I don't really count anymore. But i have been doing it long enough to know what i need and how to adjust as necessary

[bob87]

Use the calorie counter on live strong . com it is great there is an app for it too.

[AcquireMass]

Am I understanding this correctly? You weren't even tracking calories b4 doing your first cycle? Now you spend money for the cycle and are just gonna wing it calorically? Sounds like a complete fukkin waste to me. Why bother running it if you aren't gonna make sure you are at a proper caloric surplus? "Eating clean" and protein intake don't mean shit if you are below maintenance.

[0tolerance]

To answer your question
I am bulking and i do pretty well count my calories, but i may add extra chicken or tuna to meals if i am feeling more hungry than usual.
as long as you have a diet written by a nutritionist, a diet you've researched or have a friend whos great at that sort of stuff and you stick as closely to it and get it also changed as you go up in weight you will do fine.

[< <Samson> >]

Me personally I don't count. But, eat a set amount of shit and I know the macros by heart for each meal. The tighter the diet the better the results though.

[Big Balta]

Am I understanding this correctly? You weren't even tracking calories b4 doing your first cycle? Now you spend money for the cycle and are just gonna wing it calorically? Sounds like a complete fukkin waste to me. Why bother running it if you aren't gonna make sure you are at a proper caloric surplus? "Eating clean" and protein intake don't mean shit if you are below maintenance.

Actually, steroids makes your body synthesize protein better. So even if you kept the same amount of protein intake, your body would still use more of that protein to build muscle since you are enhanced. I don't think Arnold was counting calories back in the 60's and 70's. I don't think they were that advanced back then. In fact, out of a lot of bodybuilders I know, I don't know any of them that count calories. That's some newby shit that kids that walk around with a pocketbook and check off their exercises in the gym do.

[minitourwvu]

Actually, steroids makes your body synthesize protein better. So even if you kept the same amount of protein intake, your body would still use more of that protein to build muscle since you are enhanced. I don't think Arnold was counting calories back in the 60's and 70's. I don't think they were that advanced back then. In fact, out of a lot of bodybuilders I know, I don't know any of them that count calories. That's some newby shit that kids that walk around with a pocketbook and check off their exercises in the gym do.

Hahahah this post is by far probably the most epic one ive came across, i bet you know a lot of bbs then, kid tracking your diet is key if you want to make gains, cut, or maintain wether on cycle or off, so stfu and take your nonsence somewhere else. Yeah i am sure arnold back in the 70s-80s was eating ice cream and twinkies to get big.

[Big Balta]

Kid, you are younger than me 1. Kid, I've been lifting a lot longer than you 2. Arnold was injecting massive amounts of steroids and eating massive amounts of meat and vegetables 3.

Just cause you don't count your calories doesn't mean you eat icecream MORON.

[< <Samson> >]

Moron < winning

[leather daddy]

the last few posters you need to just **** OFF out of my thread. I dont want ur ****ing opinion so just get the **** out u tools

[gixxerboy1]

lets keep the flaming down and keep the thread civil please

[Chuckdiesel]

Here is my input on the subject at hand...treat steroids as supplements. They help you but not do all the work for you. Eat, sleep and train as if you were training naturally and dont put to much emphasis on the fact your on steroids and you want to gain as much as possible. Yes be sure to track what you eat and when you eat it but dont drive yourself nuts counting all your macros. Keep your meals focused around your goals. If you want to gain as much as possible and your not worried about definition then add extra here and there and if your cutting lose a little here and there. Like everything involved with health and fitness it takes time. Hell it took me a solid 3 years to construct and define a solid nutritional base and now after years of doing it I know what to add or take away to alter my body. Let it all take shape and dont try to rush it. It will come in time with your efforts and dedication, giving this is a life long path you are choosing...if not then my advice is way too much for the one who doesn't take it seriously.

Actually, steroids makes your body synthesize protein better. So even if you kept the same amount of protein intake, your body would still use more of that protein to build muscle since you are enhanced. I don't think Arnold was counting calories back in the 60's and 70's. I don't think they were that advanced back then. In fact, out of a lot of bodybuilders I know, I don't know any of them that count calories. That's some newby shit that kids that walk around with a pocketbook and check off their exercises in the gym do.

Umm, I still carry around a book with me and track all my exercises i've done, how I did them, what grip or bar I used, what weights were used and so on. Its a really good habit I do and is really great for making the smallest of changes to get little changes out of your body and actually after years of lifting those little changes are necessary to add or change my body and i'll be damned if I walk into the gym and either try to remember each and every little thing I did with each exercise the time before, or the week before, or even the year before or have someone walk up to me and tell me im a noob or documenting everything I do. Actually the noobs are the ones who walk into the gym and are unsure of what to do or how they did it because they failed to remember what they have done of accomplished...not to mention I can look back on the years I have documented what I lifted and how I lifted it and It shows me how I have grown and matured with my various goals.

[Big Balta]

I see your perspective, and respect it. I guess I get caught up when I see the little 19 year olds walking around with their pocketbook everywhere. I guess they far outweigh the experienced lifters such as yourself. I don't focus as much on exactly what exercise I did when... A lot of times the equipment I want to use at a certain point in time is taken so I have to use something similar or skip it for the moment. Some days I'll do barbell bench's, some days I'll do dumbell bench's, and some day's I'll do both. That's my philosophy.

I really liked your philosophy on eating. I think that pretty much sums up my beliefs as well. I don't see the point in counting everything. If you have been lifting for long enough and know your body well enough, you will know what foods do what to your body. You will know how much to add/decrease to get the results you want.

[Chuckdiesel]

Good deal brother! I agree its a bit annoying to see a bunch of kids who run around with their "training log" that will usually render itself useless in a couple months anyways, so I do see your side also. But see, as you say, a lot of time the equipment you want to use is unavailable but being able to look back on older exercises you can rearrange your workout on the fly and continue as if nothing changed. Is a document log absolutely necessary? no but It is pretty important if one has put many years into this lifestyle and has to reflect upon the differences done and when and how and so on. I even have specific logs for different goals on different body parts. It really helps me look back on when that one time I wanted to improve the outer sweep of my quad and I wanna improve on it again a couple years later, all that information is readily available and makes constructing a workout much more easier and precise.

Exactly. I wouldn't worry about exactly what you eat each and every time you eat it...all that comes with experience. So leather daddy I would advise piecing everything together and then letting it fall into place. Crawl before you walk bro. Dont be so stern or strict as if training for the Mr. Olympia. It will all take shape and unfold as time passes and you gain experience.

[Chuckdiesel]

I must clarify a bit leather daddy, you do want to track what you put into your body...I just wouldn't put the worry or extreme detail into it just yet. Time and experience will help you greatly in constructing a solid diet. And you do need to watch what you put into your body, just not worry about it. There is a HUGE difference between grilled and fried chicken breast so you do need to watch things like that but dont worry if its 28 or 32 grams of protein you get from that chicken...as long as its clean your good

[Big Balta]

I want to ask you something about grilled vs fried since we're on topic and you seem to know what you're talking about. I always dice my chicken breasts into small pieces about 1 inch x 1 inch then I pour a think layer of oil into a big pan (probably like 2 tablespoons worth) and heat the oil till it's pretty hot and then throw the chicken in there. I really hate eating grilled or boiled chicken (yuck!). Do you think the way I do it is a bad idea? I am going to start researching how frying affects meats, even though I use very little oil. I can see why deep frying would be a waste, but I don't quite understand the mechanisms behind it. If you grilled the chicken separately and then added oil to it after (hypothetically) would it be different than frying the chicken in that same amount of oil?

[minitourwvu]

the last few posters you need to just **** OFF out of my thread. I dont want ur ****ing opinion so just get the **** out u tools

I wasent giving you my opinion, your to young anyeay, and no i will post all i want little man, who are you to talk shyt asking these retarded ass questions about how to eat while on cycle, you need more then help from aas, you need an education on how to train eat, and sleep. Is funny how you ask the most stupidest questions in this forum, wonder why?

[leather daddy]

I wasent giving you my opinion, your to young anyeay, and no i will post all i want little man, who are you to talk shyt asking these retarded ass questions about how to eat while on cycle, you need more then help from aas, you need an education on how to train eat, and sleep. Is funny how you ask the most stupidest questions in this forum, wonder why?

lol yeh bro im to young. Learn to speak some proper english before you try to try and bring people down to your thick headed level

[0tolerance]

I wasent giving you my opinion, your to young anyeay, and no i will post all i want little man, who are you to talk shyt asking these retarded ass questions about how to eat while on cycle, you need more then help from aas, you need an education on how to train eat, and sleep. Is funny how you ask the most stupidest questions in this forum, wonder why?

Not to start an argument but isnt the logic behind asking a question to gain insight into the specific topic?

Maybe This particular person doesnt learn alot from reading long articles and responds better to back and forward question asking.

From my perspective yes he has asked alot of questions, but isnt it better to be annoying sometimes and ask for help when you need it than keeping your head down, not knowing a thing at all and in this case getting hurt or getting no where?

[minitourwvu]

Not to start an argument but isnt the logic behind asking a question to gain insight into the specific topic?

Maybe This particular person doesnt learn alot from reading long articles and responds better to back and forward question asking.

From my perspective yes he has asked alot of questions, but isnt it better to be annoying sometimes and ask for help when you need it than keeping your head down, not knowing a thing at all and in this case getting hurt or getting no where?

There is no problem with asking questions but when you ask questions and you throw a fit bc its not what was adviced or told to you then the problems start, a lot of members are tired if this kid and his desperate actions.

[leather daddy]

There is no problem with asking questions but when you ask questions and you throw a fit bc its not what was adviced or told to you then the problems start, a lot of members are tired if this kid and his desperate actions.

your a ****ing cocksucker mate just kill urself now u really are starting to piss me off. I have no desperate actions and if people were tired of me then my PM box would be full of them. Hmm whats that u say oh thats right i HAVE 0 inboxes from people saying there sick and tired of me. Mate get the **** off this site you asshole