Which to go with?

[fukngruvn]

For oct I get Arimidex to prevent gyno, what should I get for pst?

What is aai ?

and balls may shrink a bit and if they do they will go back to regular size

believe that is a typo, he meant AI. such as arimidex

[hannon33]

so all I would news is arimidex and the test and then after the cycle is done what should I take post?

[< <Samson> >]

Yes, Ai = Aromatase Inhibitor

[hannon33]

Ohh so AI is the pct

[fukngruvn]

Ohh so AI is the pct

No.

I'm not being mean here, but you know very little about steroids and other compounds required to do them safely. Spend a good amount of time on here reading all of the stickies and get a solid understanding of AAS. If you do not understand what you are putting in your body and why, you run the risk of hurting yourself. There is no rush Do a bunch of reading, propose a cycle and someone here will critique it

[hannon33]

I see what your saying and that's what I'm dojng reading. I'm getting a better understanding of it, which is why I'm asking what would be taken during and after, I know during is arimidix but just seeing what would be taken after the cycle and what the purpose is

[hannon33]

Testosterone propionate seems like the way to go from what I have read, aside from the part the it's more of a painful injection for some reason

[JDBeretta]

No, Enan would be the way to go for a first cycle, IMO.

[JDBeretta]

And by reading back through this thread, you have a good solid few months of research to do before you do a cycle.

That's assuming you're physically ready.

[hannon33]

A friend and myself are probably going to try a cycle of test by next weekend, have done quite some reading over the past couple weeks

[JDBeretta]

No offense, but if you aren't as familiar (or mor

[JDBeretta]

e) with PCT and OCT, you aren't even close to being educated enough to put something in your body that comes with life-long implications...

Patience my friend.

Get the most out of your efforts with the least amount of risk.

[LolWuter]

Don't take steroids if you don't know what to take already. Your OP sounds like somebody who has no idea what he's doing. Knowledge is the most important thing when you're juicing.

[Focused88]

For oct I get Arimidex to prevent gyno, what should I get for pst?

What is aai ?

and balls may shrink a bit and if they do they will go back to regular size

It means ALL ANAL INTERCOURSE

[Focused88]

Jk man
I think u meant AI
Means Aromatise inhibitors.

Why did u delete that post though?lol

[< <Samson> >]

It means ALL ANAL INTERCOURSE

yesssss. . . .

Take your time and research before you do anything. You will be injecting a unknown substance in your body. . . . . The more you know about the substance the better.

Look through my posts, I have asked every stupid question I could think of.

[hannon33]

I didn't delete anything, don't think I am even able to

[hannon33]

So far this is what I got,

the proper test to use would be testosterone enanthate . For oct I should take arimidex , what are recommendations for PCT so I can read more into that

[Focused88]

Test e, test prop both fine.
Arimidex .25mg eod.
Pct
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50

If you did just a little bit of research you wouldn't have to ask what/how you should run an AI or PCT

Research man... sh!t is free!

[hannon33]

i did a lot more research as of right now, the main thing that makes me hesitate is the possibility of gyno, even guys that take the necessary precautions still seem to fall into that category and have a problem with it.

[JDBeretta]

Do test only and run an AI.

I can almost promise you that you won't get gyno.

[JDBeretta]

And a proper pct, etc.

If you've been lifting for a while and can stick to a proper pinning schedule, eat properly, take your OCT (AI), and do a proper PCT, you'll be fine.

If you don't want to do it, don't. I was nervous before I did my first cycle too... I feel your anxiety. But once I got into it, a few weeks later I was saying "shit! If I knew that it was going to be like this, I would've started on this journey earlier!!"

[hannon33]

For pct both nolvadex and clomid

[JDBeretta]

Yes, that is the norm.

There is a detailed wrote up in the PCT section on what does what.

Please trust me on this and do it properly.

[hannon33]

so im reading about test enanthate they go through side affects: For male users, side effects include, baldness, decrease in sperm count, infertility issues, the major problem is Gynomstia which is the development of male breast tissues.

1. Probably a stupid question but when you are done the cycle your sperm count goes back to normal correct?

2. infertility issues, can anybody go into slightly more detail on that?

[JDBeretta]

If you use appropriately, and do a proper pct, your normal function is likely to return to normal. With prolonged use and abuse, the chances of permanent damage are higher.

[JDBeretta]

And as for infertility, when you introduce exogenous testosterone , your body will stop producing it. When your testicles aren't working to produce test, they're not producing sperm.

Again, if you do a proper pct and do not go overboard on the use, you should bounce back. I got my wife pregnant about 2 weeks after I finished pct from my second cycle.

Research HPTA and the effects on it from steroids . It's basically the relationship between the organs that tell your body to produce hormones. LH and FSH levels need to be bounced back, hence the pct.

[swm1972]

And as for infertility, when you introduce exogenous testosterone, your body will stop producing it. When your testicles aren't working to produce test, they're not producing sperm.

I disagree with this statement. I have been on HRT for over 6 years and have conceived two children in the time. One is 2 years old. The other is due in October. If I am still shooting live sperm after being either on 150/mg week or on huge cycles after six years there is no way I would ever be convinced there is a definitive link between natural testosterone levels and sperm production. Not going to say it doesn't lower sperm count because I believe that is probable. But too many pro bodybuilders conceive while competing, too many HRT guys end up having children, etc.

[JDBeretta]

I disagree with this statement. I have been on HRT for over 6 years and have conceived two children in the time. One is 2 years old. The other is due in October. If I am still shooting live sperm after being either on 150/mg week or on huge cycles after six years there is no way I would ever be convinced there is a definitive link between natural testosterone levels and sperm production. Not going to say it doesn't lower sperm count because I believe that is probable. But too many pro bodybuilders conceive while competing, too many HRT guys end up having children, etc.

Yes, I agree. After re reading my post, I stated it as an absolute. I should have said that sperm count can be lowered due to the testicular atrophy your testicles may experience.

My bad.

[swm1972]

Yes, I agree. After re reading my post, I stated it as an absolute. I should have said that sperm count can be lowered due to the testicular atrophy your testicles may experience.

My bad.

I will say my wife and I tried for years to conceive our latest addition. Pretty much since the last was born because I wanted the last to be here before I turned 40. He or she will be alittle late, but it's all good.

[JDBeretta]

I will say my wife and I tried for years to conceive our latest addition. Pretty much since the last was born because I wanted the last to be here before I turned 40. He or she will be alittle late, but it's all good.

Congrats!! My wife is due in October. I fu*king PUMPED!!!

[hannon33]

Another question, for a first timer how long should 1 full cycle be

[auswest]

Another question, for a first timer how long should 1 full cycle be

Dependent on compound and ester of the compound used. First cycles should be kept short too see how your body copes and recovers ect.
As you've specified first timer, you should be running test only, a popular test would be test enanthate which would be typically run for 12 weeks.

[JDBeretta]

Dependent on compound and ester of the compound used. First cycles should be kept short too see how your body copes and recovers ect.
As you've specified first timer, you should be running test only, a popular test would be test enanthate which would be typically run for 12 weeks.

I'll second that.

[swm1972]

Congrats!! My wife is due in October. I fu*king PUMPED!!!

Ours too man. Congrats! We will have a scheduled c section first week of october. We find out Thursday if it's a boy or girl.

[swm1972]

I ran 500mgs a week of Iranian cidoteston my first cycle. Went 12 weeks. Then I went back to my regular hrt dose of 150/wk. if you can deal with the pinning test prop could be run for 8weeks and achieve similar results because it's shorter active life allows it to get in and do its job faster. Also allows it to clear fast then a longer ester test. But most people aren't going to want to do every other day pinning when they could get away with twice a week.

[JDBeretta]

Ours too man. Congrats! We will have a scheduled c section first week of october. We find out Thursday if it's a boy or girl.

You must be stoked. We find out the first week of June. I can't wait. I have a feeling it's a girl. I can't wait until October.

[swm1972]

Very excited man. My last three have been all boys so I'm kinda hoping for a little girl this time. But either way is fine.

[hannon33]

I'm talking to a buddy at the gym and he is saying to stack test e with Winstrol , what's your take on that. This is what he is currently doing

[JDBeretta]

My take is that you do a test-only cycle for your first one.

You will, if done properly, reduce fat, build muscle, and feel great.

Throw Winny in later cycles.