age for AAS

[Future_Mr_O]

Say if it is clear an 18 year old has superior genetics shown at an early time (8 months of training), and has the potential to become a pro. Would it be okay if he was to take it if he wasnt worried about the consequences, well being clearly educated on the endocrine system and such?

[austinite]

No.

Did you feel the same way 5 years ago when you were 12 as you do now at 18? You're so young, every year will present new challenges for you and you will mature more. What you're saying now doesnt make sense, and you will realize this in 5 years. Then in 10 years you will realize again that you didnt know much at 23 years old. And so on.

Good luck and don't make statements like "I'm not worried about the consequences." -- that can be very dangerous in many way, not only AAS.

[Future_Mr_O]

Okay thank you. just a quick q? you think i could get to 250 natural at 12% bf? been training for 8 months and have put on 32 pounds while dropping my bf 2% ALL NATURAL. You think at 25 i can potentially think about my first cycle?

[austinite]

Whats your current weight, height?

[Future_Mr_O]

5`11-6 ft
193 pounds
8% bf

[austinite]

Wow. You certainly have a LOT of potential. You know, your testosterone levels are up there at your age and still climbing. This is ideal to take advantage of naturally.

I think you can definitely get to 250. This of course will take serious dedication and a lifestyle diet. You will probably grow a bit taller, too. (that's weight gain you don't have to work for )

If you're not getting any bigger, then you simply don't know how to eat. For that I would ask that you post in the nutrition section, list your diet in details and get some critique from the pros.

As for cycling when you're 25... Yes, you can do that. But seeing your age now and your stats, I honestly believe that you will reach your goal before 25. So you might not even need AAS.

Stay dedicated and keep lifting. You seem to be smarter than I thought you were. If you have friends that are using now, don't worry about them... they will be looking to you for answers when they are 26/27 and you're the only one with a hottie on your side

Good luck.

[Future_Mr_O]

Thanks alot bro! Im going to be brutally honest here. my diet has been complete sh*t. i could easily be 200 pounds. Im going to fix this startin TMRW and get there quickly!

[austinite]

Thanks alot bro! Im going to be brutally honest here. my diet has been complete sh*t. i could easily be 200 pounds. Im going to fix this startin TMRW and get there quickly!

[GorillaNuts]

If your making that good of progress, an actual proper diet will work wonders. Good luck.

[rasc170]

If that's you in your avi, you're e-stating.

Not trying to cause an argument, but I dont buy your stats based off that pic.

LoL@ putting on 32 pounds of muscle and dropping 2% bodyfat in 8 months. While there is a lot of knowledge here in these forums, some of you guys are guillable. You really buy that he put on a pound of pure muscle a week AND burned bodyfat at the same time AND WITH A SHIT DIET?!?!?

250 pounds at 12% bodyfat on a 6 foot frame naturally? CMON GUYS!

You may have awesome genetics....I dont know, but what I do know is those stats are WAY OFF. Layne Norton ( a guy with a phd who has dedicated his life to lifting and nutrition) is a inch or 2 shorter than OP and weighs 217. http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/str8flexed/

EDIT: PS....I dont wanna sound like a jackass and bring you down. You clearly are in great shape for only doing this for 8 months.

[Flacco]

No.

Did you feel the same way 5 years ago when you were 12 as you do now at 18? You're so young, every year will present new challenges for you and you will mature more. What you're saying now doesnt make sense, and you will realize this in 5 years. Then in 10 years you will realize again that you didnt know much at 23 years old. And so on.
Good luck and don't make statements like "I'm not worried about the consequences." -- that can be very dangerous in many way, not only AAS.

Well put

[bigZthedestroyer]

Keep working on that diet an training. When I was 18 I was around 180lbs. I am now 23, 6', 230lbs. I feel like I can hit 240 or 250 if I keep pushing myself. Btw I'm still natural. It's possible! Don't lose sight in your goals!

[rasc170]

^^^^^ Awesome physique bro. If you're truly natural then I take my hat off to you.


BUT, ill just some food for thought. According to wikipedia Arnold is 6-2 and weighed 250 pounds in the offseason and competed at 225. Again, I'm not trying to be a debbie downer, just realistic. I'm skeptical when someone who is 2-3 inches shorter says they can weigh as much as one of the greatest bodybuilders to walk the face of this earth and do it without any drugs. Arnold weighed that much during his off-season and ate D-bol like candy.

hey if you think you have what it takes, then you'll be a legend. That's all i gotta say

[bigZthedestroyer]

^^^^^ Awesome physique bro. If you're truly natural then I take my hat off to you.

Thanks man I appreciate it. I'm at 192 in my avi. I definitely don't look like Arnold but I'm work as hard as I can to get there. When I can't go anymore, then I'll have a cycle with my name on it waiting!

[Future_Mr_O]

rasc that actually is me in my avi.

[Future_Mr_O]

why would i lie about my stats. if u dont believe me bud, then cool

[< <Samson> >]

Harsh question, kinda. . . I know everyone on here preaches not to get juiced at a young age since it can fvck you up in the long run. But, if 100% of guys took this advice we would not have a Arnold or a Cutler.

But, at a young age you are going against the odds. There are only so many pros, but a whole lot more guys who fvcked themselves up and are on TRT at a way young age.

Personally if I knew what I know now, I would just lift and eat. I didn't do shit when I was younger, just got laid, smoke, drink and eat shit.

Yet again, I never want to be pro.

[gixxerboy1]

why would i lie about my stats. if u dont believe me bud, then cool

the pic is small but i would say you arent 8%. Everyone seems to think the are sub 10 and have goals of 6% bf. Most have no idea how hard that is and what that actually looks like

[rasc170]

why would i lie about my stats. if u dont believe me bud, then cool

post a few more pics that are clear and you dont have a shirt and long pants on. I guarantee you're no where near 193 pounds anywhere near 8% bodyfat. Not saying you're doing it on purpose, but I dont think you know what 8% looks like. Based off that pic you're no less than 10%

[< <Samson> >]

the pic is small but i would say you arent 8%. Everyone seems to think the are sub 10 and have goals of 6% bf. Most have no idea how hard that is and what that actually looks like

True that for sure -

6% Bf - Holly fvck!



His skin looks like paint on his muscle.

[Capebuffalo]

Dreams are great. And we all need dreams. You are 18 and have trained 8 months. And you have good genetics. You want to do steroids to be a pro bodybuilder. Jay Cutler is a pro body builder. Jay was born Aug 1973. Here is what he accomplished from 20-23 yrs of age. Those were not his first shows.


1996 NPC Nationals
1st
1995 NPC U.S. Tournament of Champions
1st
1993 NPC Iron Bodies Invitational
1st
1993 NPC Iron Bodies Invitational
1st
1993 NPC Teen Nationals
1st

I am not telling you not to go for it. I am however saying the odds are low. Do a few teen shows natty and see how it goes. If by 20 you still want it juice away. Just don't do it now because you've trained 8 months and your boys tell you how awesome you are.

[Bonaparte]

No.

Did you feel the same way 5 years ago when you were 12 as you do now at 18?

I'm not really a big math guy, but...

[Roidsbro]

post a few more pics if you dont mind.

[austinite]

I'm not really a big math guy, but...

Ha. Nice catch. that would have been 6 years ago.

[Future_Mr_O]

This is me after 1 month of training yes i was still a skinny sh*t. Before i actually started eating like a man.

[papa-g]

<img src="http://forums.steroid .com/attachment.php?attachmentid=124072"/>

This is me after 1 month of training yes i was still a skinny sh*t. Before i actually started eating like a man.

These 2 photos look the same.
Just saying.

[Bonaparte]

Is this a joke?

[< <Samson> >]

is this a joke?

lmao

[rasc170]

LoL this forum seriously needs some quality control.

Kid posts: "o hai guise...i've only been training for 8 months and im 193 pounds at 8% bodyfat...blah blah blah....do you think I can be 250 pounds natty"

responses: "those are incredible stats young man....that's totally possible"

lol.....is this real life?? 250 pounds natty IS NOT possible without hormones.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...potential.html

in b4 you guys find out that those pics are actually current pics. LMAO!

[papa-g]

Is this a joke?

Incase there was any misconception On my post I was talking about his avi and his posted pic.

[AD]

your avi looks slightly bigger than the skinny pic, but the awesome genetics is not really obvious. any other pics?

[Capebuffalo]

http://gallery.rxmuscle.com/index.ph...ybuilder=11589

This is the NPC Teen winner. No comparison bud sorry

[Kenlie]

Now that we are talking about possible heights vs pounds... Is there some kind of "table", where you could check how heavy can a person of certain height be?

Like... I am really short and I can't put my goals to 250 pounds... Where could I aim my maximum mass, with my 5"0 (165cm)height? There any link or page with some kind of system?

[Kenlie]

PS. Didn't mean to hijack this.

I personally think you should do at least 2-3 years of natural bodybuilding and see where you are. 2-3 is NOTHING. You can be Mr. O even after 2-3 more years of being natural.

[haterade]

If that's you in your avi, you're e-stating.

Not trying to cause an argument, but I dont buy your stats based off that pic.

LoL@ putting on 32 pounds of muscle and dropping 2% bodyfat in 8 months. While there is a lot of knowledge here in these forums, some of you guys are guillable. You really buy that he put on a pound of pure muscle a week AND burned bodyfat at the same time AND WITH A SHIT DIET?!?!?

250 pounds at 12% bodyfat on a 6 foot frame naturally? CMON GUYS!

You may have awesome genetics....I dont know, but what I do know is those stats are WAY OFF. Layne Norton ( a guy with a phd who has dedicated his life to lifting and nutrition) is a inch or 2 shorter than OP and weighs 217. http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/str8flexed/

EDIT: PS....I dont wanna sound like a jackass and bring you down. You clearly are in great shape for only doing this for 8 months.

my boy is 26 260 6'0" and low bf.. oh yeah and natty.. just sayin.. not everyone is that lucky genetically.. but that shit is def possible... prob not for op,, but at 18 my dude was about 240ish on his way to a few college football championships.. lol good luck op

[< <Samson> >]

Post up a real pic. . . .

But I have to say that the before pic looks just like me @ 18. I was only 145 pounds and never ate.

Juice back then would have just killed me.

[Rwy]

He is just a kid lol

Take it easy

[rasc170]

Now that we are talking about possible heights vs pounds... Is there some kind of "table", where you could check how heavy can a person of certain height be?

Like... I am really short and I can't put my goals to 250 pounds... Where could I aim my maximum mass, with my 5"0 (165cm)height? There any link or page with some kind of system?

http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/mus...potential.html

[papa-g]

your avi looks slightly bigger than the skinny pic, but the awesome genetics is not really obvious. any other pics?

Just to clarify, mine or the op's??