Question

**Joker14forty** · 08-08-2012, 08:02 PM

Im on a Winni, Propionate , Enanthate stack cycle..
i take 1 unit of Winni and Ena once week, and prop everyother day. I train intense cardio every morning and lift heavy at night. Im tryn to cut down to 170# from 200# and remain lean mass. does this sound good?

**gixxerboy1** · 08-08-2012, 08:06 PM

need more details. What dosages are you taking and what are your full stats. And diet is going to be the bigger issue then the "stack"

**JohnnnyBlazzze** · 08-08-2012, 08:08 PM

It's all in the diet! Confused on what's going on with your cycle, seems very vague!

**Joker14forty** · 08-08-2012, 08:37 PM

my diet is very paleo.. with shakes.
breakfast 6 eggs black oats visalus shake
morning snack almonds fruit
Lunch 6 oz salmon, tuna or talapia brocc, water
pre workout no explode visalus shake
post workout creatine visalus shake fruit
8 ok round steak sweet potato
1cc pro everyother day 1cc ena and 1 cc winni once week
i take the prop and ena together in same pull on my week
i train boxing, thai boxing on mon weds fridays and Sambo and BJJ tues thurs sat.
mon is legs
tues is chest tris
weds is cardio only
thurs back and biceps
friday is shoulders calves abs
i do 5k - 10k every morning
my question is... is this stack going to help me drop from 200# to 170# and build lean muscle mass?

**gixxerboy1** · 08-08-2012, 08:43 PM

cc means nothing. How many mg's is your gear per cc?
Also you cant do winny once a week. and winny wont do any phyisical changes unless your already lean. If your 30lbs over weight your wasting your time and money on it
what are your full stats. Your 200lbs. Whats your height and body weight?
Are you using an ai?

**Joker14forty** · 08-08-2012, 09:06 PM

i take 1 ml of each

**Joker14forty** · 08-08-2012, 09:07 PM

im 200lbs with 17% bf 6' tall

**austinite** · 08-08-2012, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by Joker14forty

i take 1 ml of each

1 ML doesnt mean anything. What they are asking is How many Milligrams are in each Milliliter.

**Joker14forty** · 08-08-2012, 10:25 PM

Water has a specific gravity of 1 g/cc, which is equivalent to 1g/ml. Therefore 1 ml of water would weigh 1000 mg. So Im guessing 1ml is 1000mg.. Im not accustom to these measurements... why dont we do this.. what dose should I be useing? but my main question is this... is this mix a good mix for what Im tryn to accomplish?

**DanB** · 08-09-2012, 05:21 AM

Originally Posted by Joker14forty

Water has a specific gravity of 1 g/cc, which is equivalent to 1g/ml. Therefore 1 ml of water would weigh 1000 mg. So Im guessing 1ml is 1000mg.. Im not accustom to these measurements... why dont we do this.. what dose should I be useing? but my main question is this... is this mix a good mix for what Im tryn to accomplish?

your confusing yourself, it says it on your vial but there is no gear dosed at 1000mg/ml it isnt possible

**Capebuffalo** · 08-09-2012, 05:33 AM

Example. 250 mg/ml. 300mg/ml. It will say something like this on the vial.
Test Enathenate 250mg/ml Cock Rock Labs

**gixxerboy1** · 08-09-2012, 08:09 AM

Originally Posted by Joker14forty

Water has a specific gravity of 1 g/cc, which is equivalent to 1g/ml. Therefore 1 ml of water would weigh 1000 mg. So Im guessing 1ml is 1000mg.. Im not accustom to these measurements... why dont we do this.. what dose should I be useing? but my main question is this... is this mix a good mix for what Im tryn to accomplish?

that may be what the water weighs. but you are injecting oil. And it doesnt matter the actual weight of the oil. It the amount of hormone " steroid " in the cc of oil.

its like saying you have a gallon of gas. And we are asking the octane of the gas.

**Capebuffalo** · 08-09-2012, 09:21 AM

Originally Posted by gixxerboy1

that may be what the water weighs. but you are injecting oil. And it doesnt matter the actual weight of the oil. It the amount of hormone " steroid " in the cc of oil.

its like saying you have a gallon of gas. And we are asking the octane of the gas.

That is a damn good analogy.

**Joker14forty** · 08-09-2012, 01:16 PM

250mg ena 50 mg winni 100mg prop..... im sorry guys. my bottles didnt have anything but mls... but i found the papers ...does that help?

**gixxerboy1** · 08-09-2012, 01:22 PM

yes that helps. I would drop the winny. its doing nothing for you.
the dosage of the test is probably more then you need per week.
diet is going to effect you cutting more then anything.
Also are you taking an ai. It is important for health reason and will help keep water off of you.

**Joker14forty** · 08-09-2012, 01:38 PM

no... i dont know what that is....
this is my first rodeo

**Joker14forty** · 08-09-2012, 01:43 PM

i was given these items.. told whn to take them ... i am asking on here because im in the dark

**JohnnnyBlazzze** · 08-09-2012, 01:44 PM

You're taking in a lot of test for your first cycle. If I'm doing my math correctly with your dosages It's around 650-750mg Test a week. If you're running test that high for your first time you will want to get an AI.

Aromotize Inhibitor. There's stickys on them at the top I suggest you read over. Also at the top the ar-r banner you can get your AI, you should get it asap!

I would drop the winny as well especially if you're only doing 50mg a week...It's useless. Winstrol is ran at 50mg a day.

Your diet will determine your weight loss outcomes, not the compounds or amount of compounds you use.

**Joker14forty** · 08-09-2012, 01:56 PM

ok.. thanks Jblazze.. should i kill the test and just do the winni 50mg day? i simply need to drop 30 lbs but i need to maintain the most muscle possible.. i have 7 weeks to do this.

**gixxerboy1** · 08-09-2012, 02:03 PM

i would just do the prop at 100mg eod and thats it.
like said many times your diet and work out are going to make more of a difference

**Joker14forty** · 08-09-2012, 02:04 PM

do i still need a ai if i just do tghe prop?

**JohnnnyBlazzze** · 08-09-2012, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Joker14forty

ok.. thanks Jblazze.. should i kill the test and just do the winni 50mg day? i simply need to drop 30 lbs but i need to maintain the most muscle possible.. i have 7 weeks to do this.

No, you deffinetly want to leave the test if you're trying to maintain or even gain muscle mass while in a caloric deficient. Winstrol won't do this, I would drop the winstrol completely.

30lbs in 7 weeks is a stretch, your diet and training will pretty much have to be perfect to achieve this.

Your diet is the number 1 factor, I don't think your understanding that because you keep asking about your compounds. AAS arn't magical if your diet is crap. If I were you I would go to the nutrition section and post up your diet so we can take a look at it!

**gixxerboy1** · 08-09-2012, 02:05 PM

i would. and you need pct too for when you are done

**JohnnnyBlazzze** · 08-09-2012, 02:06 PM

Originally Posted by Joker14forty

do i still need a ai if i just do tghe prop?

Yes.....

You need to go read and soak up some more information if you're serious about this. You're asking very basic questions.

**itsjayman02** · 08-09-2012, 02:43 PM

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